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Why is it conservatives think Western culture is so weak that it'll die out?
Bardeaux
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inherent fear
IE- The Romans overextended themselves militarily and imperially and couldn't handle ruling over hundreds of unwilling cultures at once.
IE- The Romans overextended themselves militarily and imperially and couldn't handle ruling over hundreds of unwilling cultures at once.
Ignorance and fear. Honestly i wonder if some people who say this racist bullshit have ever have ever been outside their own towns or dealt with other cultures at all. Immigrants like the Irish and Italians came to America and Canada in the 19th and 20th in far greater numbers then Mexicans or Arabs are now and Canadian and America didn't collapse. Granted they where treated even worse then the Mexicans are now.
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I think we should encourage even more massive immigration into Europe from Islamic countries, and Black Africa, because it isn't fair not to tell everyone how many resources we have. So much to share! Because sharing is caring! I think we should do it so fast that within a generation it two native whites may only account for 6% (and from there, you might be able to find pictures of us in a museum, if they have buildings still) of the population. I think we should let them practice their customs and everything. Let them set up their schools and their way of doing things. Shouldnt interfere in Shariah courts. All cultures are equally valid and it is racist that Europe expects immigrants to integrate at all. Its racist. Bigoted. Its inherently saying that our way is better, and that just isn't right. We are so wrong. We have such a complex and we are Eurocentric and Ethnocentric and I think the best thing we can do is to commit racial and cultural suicide. Just bring them in! Show them what we've got! There's enough for all of you, and generations to come. Who are we to tell you you can't use this river 1000s of miles from your home, which is in our back yard? That we use? That we want our children to use a thousand years from now, but... They'll probably be a lot more like you, won't they? 500 years down the road people in Europe are going to be claiming native blood like so many of us in the U.S. claim Cherokee. The remaining 'whites' would have to be highly preferential and most likely gasp 'racist' to stay white. I know that doesn't matter to you fuckers though. Brainwashed. "They're just hillbillies. Hicks. Backcuntry sticks dwellers. Probably inbred."
Fucken way to go Adolf Hitler.
Oh and nations are a new phenomenon... Therefore, they're invalid. We can do without them. Yes, and I know this because I have been to the Utopian future where we are all homogenous, coffee colored, grey aliens.
Fucken way to go Adolf Hitler.
Oh and nations are a new phenomenon... Therefore, they're invalid. We can do without them. Yes, and I know this because I have been to the Utopian future where we are all homogenous, coffee colored, grey aliens.
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Bardeaux
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In case of ethnocentric melt down, please press ctrl + alt + panic
brown people will disappear and the world will be white and right again
brown people will disappear and the world will be white and right again
ebola?
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Why are you so afraid of social change that you can largely voluntarily opt out of? I don't really get it. At no point in the near future will it be properly "difficult" being a white dude (that is, being subject to systematic racial oppression) in either the US or Australia.
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that's the spirit!
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What 23, I make this post to you out of sheer kindness, because despite what anyone else says, I have found your contributions to P&S sincere and valuable, even if I do not always agree with their content.
Sir, I request that you entertain the possibility that your unease about the increasing racial heterogeneity of the West is misplaced. I say this because I was at one time headed down the same reality tunnel. I won't bore you with my life story, but suffice to say that I grew up in a fairly homogeneously White Anglo social set. Being a pathologically sensitive and very socially isolated kid, most of my encounters with Black and Latino people, who rubbed me as loud, abrasive, unpredictable, and decidedly "other", were jarring, such that they did not keep me coming back for more. This became a downward spiral, though, whereby I would feel uncomfortable in their presence preëmptively, which set the stage for more awkward encounters and accusations that I was prejudiced. I went to a hoity-toity college in the most homogeneously white state in the union, which is rather full of itself. I hated it, and am so done with both the school and the state. Then I backpacked around the world and lived in East Asia for 3 years. Upon coming back to the US, I took a lowly job in a majority-Black city, where the vast majority of my clientele and coworkers were Black American, Caribbean, and Latino. I just was myself and treated everybody like normal people. Some were nice, some weren't, but in light of my recent experience in East Asia, two things became very clear to me before long:
1. Black and White Americans are a single culture, with far more in common than either have with anyone not born and raised in the USA.
2. All people with a Western cultural mindset (that includes the vast majority of people from the Americas) have far more in common than any of them have with anyone raised in a non-Western culture.
And since then, I have had no issues at all with anyone due to their race or ethnic background. They're people and sentient beings just like me. And I see, in retrospect, that the issues I'd had with Black and Latino people as a kid were my issues, not theirs, that I was projecting and externalizing.
Now, the issue of Western values is a whole other kettle of chum. I think it behooves anyone who chooses to [im]migrate anywhere to quickly learn and adapt to the local values. I think that Dutch cartoonists who lampoon Muhammad in their local media may deserve to be criticized, but do not deserve to be censored, and most certainly should not fear for their lives. If a Dutch expat in Saudi Arabia was sentenced to death for a drawing sacreligious cartoon, I'd have less pity for him. I don't mean to say that anyone should be killed for what their say or write -- I am a Westerner with Western values, after all
. But at the same time, not abiding by local customs, even in a place where your values don't hold, is just asking for trouble, and anyone who isn't willing to abide by local customs in a particular place, chooses to go their at their own peril. If there is another holocaust in Europe, this time against Muslims, then the victims can thank a small band of cartoonist killers and other high profile trouble-courters who chose to enforce their cultural norms somewhere else. (Insh'Allah this will never come to pass!)
Sir, I request that you entertain the possibility that your unease about the increasing racial heterogeneity of the West is misplaced. I say this because I was at one time headed down the same reality tunnel. I won't bore you with my life story, but suffice to say that I grew up in a fairly homogeneously White Anglo social set. Being a pathologically sensitive and very socially isolated kid, most of my encounters with Black and Latino people, who rubbed me as loud, abrasive, unpredictable, and decidedly "other", were jarring, such that they did not keep me coming back for more. This became a downward spiral, though, whereby I would feel uncomfortable in their presence preëmptively, which set the stage for more awkward encounters and accusations that I was prejudiced. I went to a hoity-toity college in the most homogeneously white state in the union, which is rather full of itself. I hated it, and am so done with both the school and the state. Then I backpacked around the world and lived in East Asia for 3 years. Upon coming back to the US, I took a lowly job in a majority-Black city, where the vast majority of my clientele and coworkers were Black American, Caribbean, and Latino. I just was myself and treated everybody like normal people. Some were nice, some weren't, but in light of my recent experience in East Asia, two things became very clear to me before long:
1. Black and White Americans are a single culture, with far more in common than either have with anyone not born and raised in the USA.
2. All people with a Western cultural mindset (that includes the vast majority of people from the Americas) have far more in common than any of them have with anyone raised in a non-Western culture.
And since then, I have had no issues at all with anyone due to their race or ethnic background. They're people and sentient beings just like me. And I see, in retrospect, that the issues I'd had with Black and Latino people as a kid were my issues, not theirs, that I was projecting and externalizing.
Now, the issue of Western values is a whole other kettle of chum. I think it behooves anyone who chooses to [im]migrate anywhere to quickly learn and adapt to the local values. I think that Dutch cartoonists who lampoon Muhammad in their local media may deserve to be criticized, but do not deserve to be censored, and most certainly should not fear for their lives. If a Dutch expat in Saudi Arabia was sentenced to death for a drawing sacreligious cartoon, I'd have less pity for him. I don't mean to say that anyone should be killed for what their say or write -- I am a Westerner with Western values, after all
. But at the same time, not abiding by local customs, even in a place where your values don't hold, is just asking for trouble, and anyone who isn't willing to abide by local customs in a particular place, chooses to go their at their own peril. If there is another holocaust in Europe, this time against Muslims, then the victims can thank a small band of cartoonist killers and other high profile trouble-courters who chose to enforce their cultural norms somewhere else. (Insh'Allah this will never come to pass!)LosBlancos
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I'm not sure where you get the idea that their is a human right to free migration, you couple this with the "right" to health care, food, and shelter and you would soon have a situation which is simply not sustainable. Undeniably there would be a drastic lowering of the standard of living for almost all in the country, perhaps aside from the upper-class who would have an almost unlimited pool of new workers willing to work for less than the native-born populace.
LosBlancos
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what was the chicken sandwich like?
Droppersneck
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I ate at chic filet today it felt good for a change.
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Honestly my most early experience with Blacks was fine. I remember Onyae Butler. She was a goofy, nice girl. And Martha. And PJ. They were all unique personalities, and I never and nor did any of the other white kids really treat them differently. I treated the girls like girls and PJ was a star athlete so he was a popular kid. Blacka never had any kind of non privelaged status in my home town. Pretty sure PJs father was in the car industry and well respected. The only people who used the word ni**er in my hometown as I grew up were a class of people that I never wanted association with. I still don't like the word, if used in a negative, derogatory manner.
And Curtis was the lead custodian at my high school. He smoked pot and was cool with all the students. My town had 95% white people or so as I grew there, and though it was a farming community and things, there were never any outright problems with obvious racism, and most blacks were treated as special, unique, people. Like you might a foreign exchange student or something.
I fought against racism for many years, after leaving home. My first roommate at school was a Black quarterback for the football team there. It was my first experience living so closely with someone of another race- or living with another other than family. This school was four hours away in the state of Kentucky, Bowling Green. He accepted me quickly, making me feel nothing but welcome, though he had a dominant personality that immediately made me a little uncomfortable. But I was excited to be having a new experience and went in with an open mind. He was popular at the school, and it seemed all the Blacks knew him, so very soon as I walked with him through campus I had attention from many blacks, and got to meet them. I can't say it was a bad experience. I saw new possibilities.
The first friend I met, though- Mike, I soon decided to move with him. He was white. His last name was White, which in hindsight, sticks out here. Part of my discomfort I think was that the other was Black. I was simply more at home with Mike. There was certainly an ease. Maybe it was just that he and I shared getting high and a desire to get high and eat psyches. Also the other guy preached at me, all the while having a girl pregnant and slept with others. He was very religious and had women all around him. Say one thing, do another. There was conflict. He begged me to stay with him, as his roommate. But it came down to feeling for me.
I don't know the point of that story. Just saying, I didn't have such horribly sheltered experiences. I dealt with feelings of difference. I saw slight difference in behavior, not that I could place it any certain way. A bit more loose. Less constrained. Less old, because their culture is an adopted one.
MDAO, I appreciate your words. In fact I consider you one of the best posters on here, honestly, and I always respect what you have to say. You're always fair, balanced, rational, insightful, open...
Many times I do see them as not different enough to make a fuss about- that all differences perceived are a result of culture- and of course difference in people generally but culture in that theirs was basically beheaded when they became slaves and existed as they did, cut off, separate, lower class, for so many years. I don't think that that cultural 'vibration' has had enough time to... Be the same as, generally, 'whites' in this country. But of course 'white culture' (however hard to define it might be as 'white') has also been influenced. But generally, whites can trace their history back thousands of years in some way or another. Subtly, but significantly, that matters. Subtly but significantly people ARE different, even if it is just some 'vibration' that continues.
pa cites the Irish and Italians immigrating in the states as being analogous with people like Pakistanis and etc. immigrating into Western Europe. It is not the same. Irish and Italians are both Western Europe. They are both products of the Roman Empire. They have that vibration- that influence. All of Western Europe has experienced similar enough evolution. A lot more similar than an Arab or Pakistani, or Black African. And even then, if it is only culture because I know not many of you believe in racial divides, I for one am not sure. I just can't imagine Black Africans ever going to the moon had they not been integrated into 'Europe'. I believe we have been on different paths. I believe that what we see as 'races' are the start of what would have been unique species. At some point we wouldn't be able to breed. I think prejudice is not just something to be dismissed as 'wrong', but something with an evolutionary purpose. And this is enough for me to question... These questions. But, maybe that's not fair because honestly, I sort of like Central and South American people. I mean, I'm attracted to their women, and don't feel exactly like I'm doing the wrong thing when I imagine mating with them, unlike with Blacks. Jesus, I really don't know, honestly, how I want to interpret. I'm going to take a break.
When I say I sort of like a people... I sort of like any people. Its all me really. And with the Americas people and white mixes often, I just find that at a decent frequency, I'm attracted. Often I'll be a lot more attracted to them than whites. Of course they are also my ancestry, albeit a small portion. I just find that generally, I'm not very attracted to blacks. I might experience attraction... But .. Of the races, they are the least attractive in my experience. And I don't prefer their features. Preference. Not to say a fine black woman doesnt exist that I could get into. But I'm not sure if I would. But, shit, man, I don't know.
Anyways, I'm not really worried about the U.S. and Australia. I mainly don't want other races to colonize North West Europe, and out-breed the native population (and or mix). Because they're just going to keep pouring in. In the next century Africa is going to have one of the biggest population booms it is expected. I doubt they're all staying there.
I guess this is a side effect of colonization, though. Or it comes with.
...There are different frequencies. We might carry the same genes basically, but they are arranged differently. There are different frequencies in populations of kinds of genes. Some have to do with mental processes even. 'Racists' nor 'anti-racists' really have enough evidence to say anything conclusive about the differences that occur, but for some reason or another East Asians beat whites at tests that are blamed for being biased for whites, and against blacks. Everyone is fine to accept that certain populations of Africans have different ways their muscles attach, slightly, and 'whites' have longer arms and more upper body strength, generally (if you put it all on a bell curve some way), but people are just so terrified that behavior might be in part biologically influenced... And that some people just maybe shouldn't mix. It may not be good for one (even if good for the other...). But, good and bad.. Hard to measure.
And Curtis was the lead custodian at my high school. He smoked pot and was cool with all the students. My town had 95% white people or so as I grew there, and though it was a farming community and things, there were never any outright problems with obvious racism, and most blacks were treated as special, unique, people. Like you might a foreign exchange student or something.
I fought against racism for many years, after leaving home. My first roommate at school was a Black quarterback for the football team there. It was my first experience living so closely with someone of another race- or living with another other than family. This school was four hours away in the state of Kentucky, Bowling Green. He accepted me quickly, making me feel nothing but welcome, though he had a dominant personality that immediately made me a little uncomfortable. But I was excited to be having a new experience and went in with an open mind. He was popular at the school, and it seemed all the Blacks knew him, so very soon as I walked with him through campus I had attention from many blacks, and got to meet them. I can't say it was a bad experience. I saw new possibilities.
The first friend I met, though- Mike, I soon decided to move with him. He was white. His last name was White, which in hindsight, sticks out here. Part of my discomfort I think was that the other was Black. I was simply more at home with Mike. There was certainly an ease. Maybe it was just that he and I shared getting high and a desire to get high and eat psyches. Also the other guy preached at me, all the while having a girl pregnant and slept with others. He was very religious and had women all around him. Say one thing, do another. There was conflict. He begged me to stay with him, as his roommate. But it came down to feeling for me.
I don't know the point of that story. Just saying, I didn't have such horribly sheltered experiences. I dealt with feelings of difference. I saw slight difference in behavior, not that I could place it any certain way. A bit more loose. Less constrained. Less old, because their culture is an adopted one.
MDAO, I appreciate your words. In fact I consider you one of the best posters on here, honestly, and I always respect what you have to say. You're always fair, balanced, rational, insightful, open...
Many times I do see them as not different enough to make a fuss about- that all differences perceived are a result of culture- and of course difference in people generally but culture in that theirs was basically beheaded when they became slaves and existed as they did, cut off, separate, lower class, for so many years. I don't think that that cultural 'vibration' has had enough time to... Be the same as, generally, 'whites' in this country. But of course 'white culture' (however hard to define it might be as 'white') has also been influenced. But generally, whites can trace their history back thousands of years in some way or another. Subtly, but significantly, that matters. Subtly but significantly people ARE different, even if it is just some 'vibration' that continues.
pa cites the Irish and Italians immigrating in the states as being analogous with people like Pakistanis and etc. immigrating into Western Europe. It is not the same. Irish and Italians are both Western Europe. They are both products of the Roman Empire. They have that vibration- that influence. All of Western Europe has experienced similar enough evolution. A lot more similar than an Arab or Pakistani, or Black African. And even then, if it is only culture because I know not many of you believe in racial divides, I for one am not sure. I just can't imagine Black Africans ever going to the moon had they not been integrated into 'Europe'. I believe we have been on different paths. I believe that what we see as 'races' are the start of what would have been unique species. At some point we wouldn't be able to breed. I think prejudice is not just something to be dismissed as 'wrong', but something with an evolutionary purpose. And this is enough for me to question... These questions. But, maybe that's not fair because honestly, I sort of like Central and South American people. I mean, I'm attracted to their women, and don't feel exactly like I'm doing the wrong thing when I imagine mating with them, unlike with Blacks. Jesus, I really don't know, honestly, how I want to interpret. I'm going to take a break.
When I say I sort of like a people... I sort of like any people. Its all me really. And with the Americas people and white mixes often, I just find that at a decent frequency, I'm attracted. Often I'll be a lot more attracted to them than whites. Of course they are also my ancestry, albeit a small portion. I just find that generally, I'm not very attracted to blacks. I might experience attraction... But .. Of the races, they are the least attractive in my experience. And I don't prefer their features. Preference. Not to say a fine black woman doesnt exist that I could get into. But I'm not sure if I would. But, shit, man, I don't know.
Anyways, I'm not really worried about the U.S. and Australia. I mainly don't want other races to colonize North West Europe, and out-breed the native population (and or mix). Because they're just going to keep pouring in. In the next century Africa is going to have one of the biggest population booms it is expected. I doubt they're all staying there.
I guess this is a side effect of colonization, though. Or it comes with.
...There are different frequencies. We might carry the same genes basically, but they are arranged differently. There are different frequencies in populations of kinds of genes. Some have to do with mental processes even. 'Racists' nor 'anti-racists' really have enough evidence to say anything conclusive about the differences that occur, but for some reason or another East Asians beat whites at tests that are blamed for being biased for whites, and against blacks. Everyone is fine to accept that certain populations of Africans have different ways their muscles attach, slightly, and 'whites' have longer arms and more upper body strength, generally (if you put it all on a bell curve some way), but people are just so terrified that behavior might be in part biologically influenced... And that some people just maybe shouldn't mix. It may not be good for one (even if good for the other...). But, good and bad.. Hard to measure.
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we don't improve the system
after Trayvon = you can still initiate a fight-or-flight scenario as a neighborhood watch person and then use a concealed deadly weapon if that person fights.
after Ferguson = you still don't have to have operable dash cameras and police-worn-cameras if you work as a police officer.
after Garner = police are still allowed to attack with brutal force if a non-threatening citizen does not submit to arrest in a short amount of time.
we're just herd-animals.
we don't see the system.
We like stuff like racial vitriol better than we like looking at systems while using insight.
after Trayvon = you can still initiate a fight-or-flight scenario as a neighborhood watch person and then use a concealed deadly weapon if that person fights.
after Ferguson = you still don't have to have operable dash cameras and police-worn-cameras if you work as a police officer.
after Garner = police are still allowed to attack with brutal force if a non-threatening citizen does not submit to arrest in a short amount of time.
we're just herd-animals.
we don't see the system.
We like stuff like racial vitriol better than we like looking at systems while using insight.
LosBlancos
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Yes after every death we should just introduce new laws and legislation, is that right? Or not every death but just the ones that Sharpton and Jesse Jackson deem as important?
Droppersneck
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This is the classic liberal nanny state reaction. IE the entire gun debate
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