The Ferguson thread / additional race discussion

[Escher's Waterfall]

I feel like some of the main figures that monetize this sort of ethnic situation/event should be held accountable at the very least civilly if not criminally. Man I feel like that is a fox news opinion, but it is how I feel.

Wouldn't that interfere with the fine tradition of Americans exploiting situations for their own benefit? Since you mention it, Fox News is guilty of it, but it's across the spectrum. The cause may be just or unjust, but someone will either knowingly or unknowingly exploit it.

The point I was trying to make was about the protesters insane demands like wanting the protesters leading the movement to be immune from being arrested. Also wanting the police to wear minimal protection and using that against the police. Can you explain to me how police wearing a helmet, vest, and using a shield is a safety hazard to the protesters. Sure not all the protesters are violent but there has been more than enough violence to warrant the police wearing that sort of protection. A police officer standing there in riot gear letting protesters do their thing is not excessive force. I wish it weren't that way but if there is no indictment there will be large scale chaos. Unfortunately the police will need stuff like tear gas and rubber bullets on hand to deal with the protesters who choose to engage in that.

I interpret it as the protestors wanting to be treated fairly. The police do have a history of throwing the book at people who they disagree with.

To use a non-Ferguson case, locally we had a political protest that was handled heavy-handedly. Stuff like police kicking down doors of protestors at home to arrest them, then charging them with the state equivalent of the PATRIOT act because they were planning a protest of a political group. You can't make this stuff up - they were accused of supporting terrorism - they were accused of planning a riot, of planning to break into a place, and kidnap politicians. Master criminals - but one plead out to a few months in the workhouse, another few plead to a gross misdemeanor with no jail time, and the remainder got the charges dropped. Quite a light sentence for supposed terrorists, but it was less about what they were doing and more about preventing them to protest.

I live in Chicago and every month cops shoot and kill a couple people. It's always the same story: they point a weapon at police and get shot 10 times. It's just surprising they never get off a shot. If your mentally ill and have a knife they may try and talk you into putting it down for 2 seconds before they blast your ass. Chicago cops are out of control.

Statistically, its only in rural areas that cop's shooting victims tend to be mentally ill. In urban areas, the common factor tends to be black males. Both groups tend to be shit on by cops.

I know there are good cops, but damn, cops tend to make assumptions based on appearances, and they tend to lack the training needed to de-escalate the situation.

 

[LosBlancos]

Hopefully none of these upstanding gentlemen are shot by a bias racist police.

 

[Bardeaux]

^Saw the title and immediately didn't watch.

 

[phenethylo J]

. And let's face it the pigs showing up in riot gear automatically ups the ante and put's everyone on edge.

It takes an extended period of time for them to suit up in riot gear. Considering what has happened in similar cases and the threats that have been made by certain outside groups; it's really not realistic for them to wait till shit hits the fan to get in their gear.

I interpret it as the protestors wanting to be treated fairly. The police do have a history of throwing the book at people who they disagree with.

To use a non-Ferguson case, locally we had a political protest that was handled heavy-handedly. Stuff like police kicking down doors of protestors at home to arrest them, then charging them with the state equivalent of the PATRIOT act because they were planning a protest of a political group. You can't make this stuff up - they were accused of supporting terrorism - they were accused of planning a riot, of planning to break into a place, and kidnap politicians. Master criminals - but one plead out to a few months in the workhouse, another few plead to a gross misdemeanor with no jail time, and the remainder got the charges dropped. Quite a light sentence for supposed terrorists, but it was less about what they were doing and more about preventing them to protest.

I agree it was wrong for those cops to do that unless of coarse what they were accusing the protesters of was actually true. Please note I'm not trying to say those protesters were guilty of what they were being accused of.

I get that the protesters want respect but what I don't get is how the protesters could complain about little shit like asking the cops asking them to stay on the sidewalk and not block off traffic. I know now there have been more large scale arrests recently but for a long while the cops weren't arresting mass amounts of people, beating, or macing anyone. They were letting the protesters do there thing. When the protesters were traveling to occupy SLU a large group of police blocked their path. The police ended up hearing them out and letting them pass. I have nothing against the average black person who just wants to get their voice heard. I agree there is allot of profiling and excessive force against the black community by police. In general too much excessive force is used by the police against all races.

My problem is with the protesters who say shit like "we want to make white people feel uncomfortable", "change wont happen until white people are a little bit scared". I'm sorry but that wont bring forward the type of change they are looking for. Then you have certain ones saying crap like "privileged white folks" and "ending white privileges". I don't see how they can go on about white privileges when stuff like affirmative action still exists. Of coarse racism and discrimination is still alive; in some areas of the country more than other. All races always will have certain groups that perpetrate bigotry . When certain black parents who teach their kids they will never get ahead in this world because they are black and they need to fear the white man; that only adds to that racism. Ingraining that mentality into a young mind is what is going to hold them back. The fact that some of the best scientists, doctors, musicians, athletes, ect are black disproves that close minded mentality. We even have a black man in the White House for God's sake.

 

[nuttynutskin]

We even have a black man in the White House for God's sake.

I don't know if that's the best example, I agree with everything else tho.

 

[What 23]

Half Black.

 

[rickolasnice]

To the racists:

Do you really think groups or individuals of dicks is representative of everyone of that race?

 

[LosBlancos]

To the racists:

Do you really think groups or individuals of dicks is representative of everyone of that race?

They aren't and neither is Michael Brown. So the whole idea of using this singular incident as a basis for a racial commentary that there is a vast conspiracy to kill African-Americans by the police is not correct.

 

[spacejunk]

Hopefully none of these upstanding gentlemen are shot by a bias racist police.

The sooner you get banned the better.

 

[What 23]

If a whole race actually did act like the guys in the video, they should totally get killed off. What wastes.

 

[Erikmen]

To the racists:

Do you really think groups or individuals of dicks is representative of everyone of that race?

Good one!
(Of course not!)

 

[spacejunk]

If a whole race actually did act like the guys in the video, they should totally get killed off. What wastes.

I didn't watch the video, so your comment is without specific context - but it's a charming thing to say regardless.

 

[paranoid android]

How is protecting businesses from being looted and burned to the ground not serving and protecting the working class? Would you consider someone that works at a convenience store an elite 1 percenter?

They arent protecting the people that work there they are protecting the property. I suspect the people working there would be long gone if they thought a riot was going to break out. Or atleast they should be unless their managers are cunts enough to make them keep working.

How is it not unreasonable to say the police shouldn't be equipped with riot gear when dealing with a violent mob, or standard riot control tools? I don't think that they need to compromise with a violent mob looting, destroying property and committing violent acts. The protesters had the right to protest peacefully from day one but they blew it. It's not the cop's fault.

Well i would say that putting on the riot gear pumps them up and makes them more likely to get violent. That way they know they aren't going to get hurt if they get out of line and someone cracks them over the head for it.

If I fling a water bottle at someone and it hits them I can get charged with assault, what makes it any different if it's at a cop during a protest? And forget the water bottle throwing, that was just an example. In the document it said minor lawbreaking which could basically be interpreted as anything to a degree.

A protest situation is different. Sure if i hit someone with a water bottle walking down the street it could lead to abit of arguing though i doubt the cops would lay a assault charge for a fucking water bottle. It's not like getting glassed with a fucking Whiskey bottle ffs

They already look bad to the idiots that think they should be able to get away with anything without fear of getting dealt with.

They look bad to the law and order types yes and they always will. And again they said minor crimes not something like throwing a pipe bomb right in the middle of the cunting coppers.

Again, that assemblage of protesters already thinks that about the police. So what? Whether or not they have some silly declaration written out with how they think the police should act won't make any difference.

Sadly with the mentality of the police and their brownosers it probably won't.

Like the percentage that doesn't think that destroying one's own community is the answer to something that wasn't even a crime in the first place? Yeah, gotcha.

They can hardly call it their own community when it's only the bourgeois that benefit from those businesses. So yeah there kinda goes your argument on that.

Have I ever said the police can do no wrong? As for the last part I don't even know what you're babbling about.

No but you might as well. And since you don't seem to understand a whole lot that hardly surprises me

Not behave like a bunch of violent savages and then cry when they're dealt with.

Violent savages? There was what 1 night of violence? I couldn't blame then for getting out of hand if the cops shot down someone in their community. Hardly much violence really. FFS I've seen worse at the festival up here every summer. Hardly the Storming of the Bastille or anything now is it?

 

[What 23]

I didn't watch the video, so your comment is without specific context - but it's a charming thing to say regardless.

Well to sum it up: Biological organisms with weapons threatening random other ones, threatening whomever is watching, that if Wilson is let go without a guilty verdict, they gonna kill some niggaz nigga yea nigga what. And probably some others too. Actually it was probably directed at Whites or others, but I just heard nigga quite a bit. The fuckers should be decapitated where they stand.

 

[alasdairm]

^ you've moved on from crazy synchronicity to abandonment of due process with summary execution and genocide. nice!

alasdair

 

[What 23]

What value would they have to me? If they were simply non threatening and normal people fine. Fine. But they are not that. They're threatening.

I'm a guy living in a small village. These guys live down the road. The people they are threatening in this video are my family and friends. I don't have time for this. I also don't approve of my tax dollars going to them in any form.

I swear, there really is something that isn't present in these fellas.

 

[paranoid android]

What value would they have to me? If they were simply non threatening and normal people fine. Fine. But they are not that. They're threatening.

I'm a guy living in a small village. These guys live down the road. The people they are threatening in this video are my family and friends. I don't have time for this. I also don't approve of my tax dollars going to them in any form.

I swear, there really is something that isn't present in these fellas.

Okay here's a exercise in futility but here goes.

Put yourself in the shoes of the protesters. You see cops gunning down people in your own community and fuck all is being done about it. Now i don't know about you but if a few people i knew got killed by the cops id be inclined to be abit pissed off. Also from what i have seen not all the protesters are black though the vast majority are naturally. All the cops and their supporters seem to be white but as whites often come from a higher Socio-Economic background in areas like this that part only makes sense. If people with your attitude are any indication of the mentality of the cops and their lackeys down there i can certainly understand the frustration of the protesters. And your worried about them being threatening? You see them as threatening because you see people who won't go all Gandhi and play the Pacifist route which is something that has failed time and time again. Instead they are ready to confront the police which is what needs to be done. You aren't going to gain anything by begging for it that's for sure.

Are there asshole protesters there for no other reason then to up racial hatred and other reactionary bullshit? No doubt that there is but you can't tar them all with 1 brush.

 

[What 23]

I wasn't tarring them all with one brush.

If you look I did say if all were like these in the video, then sure, genocide. I know all are not. But specifically I DO NOT care for these. And to save myself trouble I'd like them dead and gone.

Cops aren't gunning them down like you say. Look at how many of them gun down each other. A cop is going to show up at some points through that. Through that behaviour.

 

[paranoid android]

I wasn't tarring them all with one brush.

If you look I did say if all were like these in the video, then sure, genocide. I know all are not. But specifically I DO NOT care for these. And to save myself trouble I'd like them dead and gone.

Cops aren't gunning them down like you say. Look at how many of them gun down each other. A cop is going to show up at some points through that. Through that behaviour.

So you don't like the protesters and want them dead or just a specific group of them? I'm not following you there.

And cops are gunning down people there and all across America as well. The working class needs to unite and say enough is enough when it comes to what the little piggies have been getting away with. One does not have to go the route of violence to confront something but cops go off their fucking nut anytime their authority is challenged anyway.

 

[alasdairm]

If you look I did say if all were like these in the video, then sure, genocide. I know all are not. But specifically I DO NOT care for these. And to save myself trouble I'd like them dead and gone.

the thing is that you don't see how much you have in common with the very people you want to kill.
it would be simply hilarious if it wasn't so damn depressing and saddening.

the world is broken. fundamentally broken. perhaps irreparably broken? if you don't see that attitudes like yours are a significant part of the problem, then you're blind or stupid.

hate isn't inate. you have to be taught to hate. who taught you to be so hateful?

alasdair