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The Ferguson thread / additional race discussion

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hey. that's the sort of thing you PM me about to confirm via server data, not stuff to be gossiped about off-topically in public venues.

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ebola? said:
hey. that's the sort of thing you PM me about to confirm via server data, not stuff to be gossiped about off-topically in public venues.

ebola
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nuttynutskin said:
Sorry the previous poster seemed confused, carry on.
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schwiftee said:
Did he really need to shoot MB 6 times? The last 2 to the head. :(
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Well on paper it does seem excessive and the logical, reasonable answer is no but If you have ever shot guns before and especially handguns, you know that 6 bullets is nothing and is gone in seconds. Its very easy and in this case with adrenaline going through the body i could see how 6 bullets could be let off easlily. To the cop it probably felt like 2. Im not defending him and i think its a serious problem with all the killing the police are doing but this just is a irrelvant fact esp if he felt in danger.
 
There’s a lot we don’t know about how many people have actually been killed at police hands in the United States, thanks to woefully inadequate transparency and federal record-keeping. But there’s one thing we do now know: Among those we do know were shot by police, black teens were 21 times more likely to be shot dead than their white counterparts.

“The 1,217 deadly police shootings from 2010 to 2012 captured in the federal data show that blacks, age 15 to 19, were killed at a rate of 31.17 per million, while just 1.47 per million white males in that age range died at the hands of police,” a new ProPublica report explains, noting that if whites were killed at the same ratio there would have been another 185 white deaths, just during that three-year period, just of those in that narrow age range.

To arrive at this statistic, ProPublica analyzed the list of 12,000 police shooting deaths that were self-reported by agencies to the Federal Bureau of Investigation between 1980 and 2012. Because this data is self-reported and departments are not required to submit information, this data likely significantly undercounts the number of shootings. Florida departments, for example, haven’t submitted data since 1997 and New York City hasn’t submitted data since 2007. And the FBI asks only for “justifiable homicide” figures, meaning in those instances where the shootings are most overtly viewed as unjustified or the litigation is ongoing, departments are less likely to report.

Still, assessing available data may provide the best insight we have into how grave racial disparities in police violence are, particularly when it comes to young black men, who were stopped by NYPD officers in 2011 more times than the total number of young black men in New York City. Unsurprisingly, past analyses have also found disproportionate violence against blacks, including a 2007 investigation by Colorlines and the Chicago Reporter in 10 major cities. An NAACP report of Oakland, California, found that 37 of 45 police-involved shootings were of blacks, while zero were of whites. “Although weapons were not found in 40 percent of cases, the NAACP found, no officers were charged,” Mother Jones reported.

Studies of human and police behavior suggest that racial bias is baked into policing, particularly because individuals misperceive the threat posed by African Americans. Nonetheless, a 2012 poll after the George Zimmerman verdict found that that the gap between whites and blacks who think the justice system is biased was greater than ever.
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http://thinkprogress.org/justice/20...hot-dead-by-the-cops-reported-deaths-suggest/
 
legalize said:
it's very easy and in this case with adrenaline going through the body i could see how 6 bullets could be let off easlily. To the cop it probably felt like 2. Im not defending him and i think its a serious problem with all the killing the police are doing but this just is a irrelvant fact esp if he felt in danger.
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Yes, and to the extent that this trend holds, we need to further train police specifically to avoid making such mistakes, indeed to avoid being guided by adrenaline in these types of situations; people tend to make poor choices rooted in pre- or unconscious biases when compelled to make snap-decisions out of fear (for their behavior is guided largely by sub-cortical neural systems, which function via gross heuristic rather than explicit reasoning). If perceived danger by officers leads to mistaken killings, then officers need to focus training on managing and directing their reactions to their emotions to reduce the rate of such...well, atrocities.

ebola
 
Teabag Johnny said:
So, was Officer Wilson attacked by Michael Brown or what?
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Yeah, and that other black guy who had his hands cuffed behind his back, and had a thorough shakedown, managed to whip a gun out at a police station, and bend his hand cuffed arms around his back, so he could shoot himself in the front of the chest.
 
I'm not sure you guys have been following the new developments but last Wednesday another black kid was shot dead in St. Louis. The difference is that this time the kid shot 3 three times at the officer before his gun jammed and the officer returned 17 shots hitting him 7 times. Sadly that didn't stop some certain out of town radical groups from taking advantage of the situation to fulfill their own agenda. They spread lies about how he was unarmed and was holding a sandwich even though he had gun powder residue on his hand plus in his pocket. a stolen fire arm was recovered at the scene, He had several pics of him posing with guns on instagram some of which had the exact gun he tried to kill the cop with dated only two day before the incident. He was out on bond for a previous stolen fire arm charge and alluding police. He had also previously shot someone but wasn't charged.

Even with all that evidence that didn't stop a whole new wave of protesters allot of which were from out of town. They were marching through the streets and purposely blocking off major intersections for long periods of time. Allot of people did get maced the first night but this was after they were threatening the officers and surrounding them. After that the officers seemed amazing restraint even while crowds of protesters screamed in their face they just stood their like statues since they knew doing anything would just make the riots worse. I completely get the black community's mistrust of the police force. I'm white and have allot of mistrust of the police. There is allot of racial profiling that goes on but the idea that the majority of police in America are out hunting down and killing innocent black kids for no reason is delusional. There are some black and white protesters that get that and say "this isn't a black white issue it's about the police" but sadly they get shouted down by the rest of the protesters.

http://fox2now.com/2014/10/14/vonderrit-myers-tests-positive-for-gunshot-residue/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/14/ferguson-protests-st-louis_n_5985274.html
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_9805e775-dffa-5b5a-b79d-6559866711ed.html
 
phenethylo J said:
They spread lies about how he was unarmed and was holding a sandwich
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It wasn't Skittles this time? =D

phenethylo J said:
There is allot of racial profiling that goes on but the idea that the majority of police in America are out hunting down and killing innocent black kids for no reason is delusional. There are some black and white protesters that get that and say "this isn't a black white issue it's about the police" but sadly they get shouted down by the rest of the protesters.
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Thank god someone with some sense about this.
 
phenethylo J said:
There is allot of racial profiling that goes on but the idea that the majority of police in America are out hunting down and killing innocent black kids for no reason is delusional.
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That's what is know in the business as a "straw man"

There are some black and white protesters that get that and say "this isn't a black white issue it's about the police" but sadly they get shouted down by the rest of the protesters.
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The statistics really don't support that contention - black kids are shot by cops at a wildly disproportionate rate. At a very broad and fundamental structural level race is very much a factor.

“The 1,217 deadly police shootings from 2010 to 2012 captured in the federal data show that blacks, age 15 to 19, were killed at a rate of 31.17 per million, while just 1.47 per million white males in that age range died at the hands of police,”

And to don't need to accept your strawman argument outlined above to come to that conclusion. Even if it is a matter of fact that, say for instance, black kids are more likely to be killed by police because they engage in more violent crime - it is still a broad structural problem to do with race relations in America. Unless you are inclined to the kind of thinking that a few in this forum are prone to - that somehow different races are more inclined to violence because of genetics - then you have to start asking questions about what social structures have led to a situation where black kids are being caught up in cycles of crime and violence. To try and divorce the issue from race relations is to take an incredibly narrow view of the dynamics at play in society.
 
phenethylo J said:
I'm not sure you guys have been following the new developments but last Wednesday another black kid was shot dead in St. Louis. The difference is that this time the kid shot 3 three times at the officer before his gun jammed and the officer returned 17 shots hitting him 7 times. Sadly that didn't stop some certain out of town radical groups from taking advantage of the situation to fulfill their own agenda. They spread lies about how he was unarmed and was holding a sandwich even though he had gun powder residue on his hand plus in his pocket. a stolen fire arm was recovered at the scene, He had several pics of him posing with guns on instagram some of which had the exact gun he tried to kill the cop with dated only two day before the incident. He was out on bond for a previous stolen fire arm charge and alluding police. He had also previously shot someone but wasn't charged.

Even with all that evidence that didn't stop a whole new wave of protesters allot of which were from out of town. They were marching through the streets and purposely blocking off major intersections for long periods of time. Allot of people did get maced the first night but this was after they were threatening the officers and surrounding them. After that the officers seemed amazing restraint even while crowds of protesters screamed in their face they just stood their like statues since they knew doing anything would just make the riots worse. I completely get the black community's mistrust of the police force. I'm white and have allot of mistrust of the police. There is allot of racial profiling that goes on but the idea that the majority of police in America are out hunting down and killing innocent black kids for no reason is delusional. There are some black and white protesters that get that and say "this isn't a black white issue it's about the police" but sadly they get shouted down by the rest of the protesters.

http://fox2now.com/2014/10/14/vonderrit-myers-tests-positive-for-gunshot-residue/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/14/ferguson-protests-st-louis_n_5985274.html
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_9805e775-dffa-5b5a-b79d-6559866711ed.html
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If I were a black man in St.Louis, being pulled over by the police and I had a gun, fucked if I wouldn't fire too. Obviously there are some black people that are shot and killed by police and it is justifiable (on an individual level, anyway), but that does not invalidate the fact that if you're black in America, police officers are a huge threat.

One of my best friend's Grandfather, who was a WWII veteran, help start a veterans home for homeless vets, and was an all around great man, died at the hands of six police officers who shot him in cold blood........He was black, just in case you were wondering.
 
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If blacks are indeed committing more crimes then their community sure isn't helping to combat the problem.

RichardMooner said:
If I were a black man in St.Louis, being pulled over by the police and I had a gun, fucked if I wouldn't fire too.
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Sure you would... I guess you could provide some great entertainment for Youtube watchers.

RichardMooner said:
One of my best friend's Grandfather, who was a WWII veteran, help start a veterans home for homeless vets, and was an all around great man, died at the hands of six police officers who shot him in cold blood........He was black, just in case you were wondering.
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Source?
 
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If i was black in the u.s. I wouldnt have a gun, even if it was legit, and I wouldnt drive. Its crazy how they are profiled. The scary part is they dont have to be doing anything to get fucked with. Saw a video where cops shattered the window and ripped the guy out of the car in front of his little daughter in the back. Oh yeah, this was the passenger too. Anytime Ive been pulled over as a passenger, i just sit there and they dont even bother me. So why fuck with this passenger. To serve and protect? What a pile of steamy, fresh horse shit right out of the pooper.
 
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