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Well the story was Brown went for his weapon during the "scuffle", and that's when the first shot went off, while Wilson was still in the cruiser. When people allegedly saw Brown in the cruiser with Wilson's arm around his head, this was probably mid altercation, after Brown had forced Wilson back in. Wilson fought back. Brown may have went for the the weapon... As Wilson went for his own weapon. Cops do this. They put their hand on it and in this situation he would have tried to take it out, and Brown being so close and stupid in that moment may have tried to grab it.

Then shot went off. Then Brown ran. The rest I am not sure about. Maybe Wilson was just in fight or flight, firing at him. Maybe after getting some distance, Brown turned around and did taunt Wilson. Maybe he then charged him, taking Wilson as a softy nervous white dude that wouldn't put him down.

Notice if, Illyria. Nobody on bluelight knows exactly what happened.
 
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nuttynutskin said:
Wouldn't even matter if he was going for his weapon, it would still legally be self defense if he was only charging at him.
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Maybe coppers shouldn't be coppers if they can't handle themselves then? It wouldn't hurt if the fat fucks actually knew anything about hand to hand combat because most of them are jumpy pussies who start popping off shots at the least provocation. If they can't atleast hold their own or at the very least not start shooting if someone comes at them with a butterknife then maybe everyone wouldn't think they are such cowards.
 
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Well the story was Brown went for his weapon during the "scuffle", and that's when the first shot went off, while Wilson was still in the cruiser. When people allegedly saw Brown in the cruiser with Wilson's arm around his head, this was probably mid altercation, after Brown had forced Wilson back in. Wilson fought back. Brown may have went for the the weapon... As Wilson went for his own weapon. Cops do this. They put their hand on it and in this situation he would have tried to take it out, and Brown being so close and stupid in that moment may have tried to grab it.

Then shot went off. Then Brown ran. The rest I am not sure about. Maybe Wilson was just in fight or flight, firing at him. Maybe after getting some distance, Brown turned around and did taunt Wilson. Maybe he then charged him, taking Wilson as a softy nervous white dude that wouldn't put him down.

Notice if, Illyria. Nobody on bluelight knows exactly what happened.
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That's a very detailed account there, from yourself.

You've been quite speculative as well in this thread, citing this and that as arguments to justify the shooting.

Remember that fractured eye socket, the smoking gun that the officer had no other option than to shoot Brown six times? Yeah, it turns out that the photos and xrays claiming to be of the officer are actually from 2006 and were of freestyle motocross rider Jim McNeil. The Police department hasn't released any medical records indicating that the officer was even assaulted.
 
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Remember that fractured eye socket, the smoking gun that the officer had no other option than to shoot Brown six times? Yeah, it turns out that the photos and xrays claiming to be of the officer are actually from 2006 and were of freestyle motocross rider Jim McNeil. The Police department hasn't released any medical records indicating that the officer was even assaulted.
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That's why i am pretty sure it's all bullshit that the pig had been assaulted at all much less had his arse kicked that badly. If the copper had injuries they would have released the real photos and X-Rays right away. They would have released them so that the bleeding hearts would side with poor piggy who was just doing his job after all 8)
 
The pigs in the states think they have the right to abuse their powers. There are some good cops. Most of the are older and just want to go home to their families. It's the younger fucks who think the are Johnny badass or were bullied in school and now they have all this power and male sure you know they are in power. It's a fucking joke!
 
paranoid android said:
Maybe coppers shouldn't be coppers if they can't handle themselves then? It wouldn't hurt if the fat fucks actually knew anything about hand to hand combat because most of them are jumpy pussies who start popping off shots at the least provocation. If they can't atleast hold their own or at the very least not start shooting if someone comes at them with a butterknife then maybe everyone wouldn't think they are such cowards.
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So if you're armed you're going to get into a fight with someone that comes after you with the possibility of them grabbing your gun and shooting your stupid ass with your own weapon? Yeah that makes perfect sense.
 
Bardeaux said:
Remember that fractured eye socket, the smoking gun that the officer had no other option than to shoot Brown six times? Yeah, it turns out that the photos and xrays claiming to be of the officer are actually from 2006 and were of freestyle motocross rider Jim McNeil. The Police department hasn't released any medical records indicating that the officer was even assaulted.
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The circumstances leading up to Brown's death remain unclear.

Ferguson Police Chief Thomas Jackson has said that Officer Wilson suffered facial injuries, allegedly during in an altercation with Brown moments before the shooting.

Wilson has yet to come forward and speak publicly.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/photo-fer...n-exposed-social-media-143632848.html#V0KpmQC

So yes it's true that the photo going around was not him, but that hardly means that he didn't withstand any injuries. Can any of you saying he didn't prove it? This is why the media needs to stop sensationalizing this shit until the actual facts come out. I swear to god the media is so quick now to get stories out before anything is even known it's ridiculous. Let it go to court so it can be determined what really happened. Either way, so far I'm convinced the officer acted in self defense from what is known.
 
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There's not enough information yet so everybody should wait until this goes to court before making up their mind except for you who apparently has enough information that "either way" you can already confidently assert what happened? Cool story...
 
I saw that xray image back in the beginning and decided not to post. Something tipped me off... A date or location of the place it was taken on the image, or something. Police didn't release nor did anyone else official release that image. It was media, being 'sensational'. They should have captioned that it wasn't actually his xray image.

I am posting a somewhat rational accounting of events as I've read from all available sources, to combat the "fuck cops pigs they just shoot whoever they're trigger happy blah blah blah" shit I hear constantly on this site. I post another account because most people here are in the hysterical rioter camp of screaming "GUILTY" even though they don't know jack. I post it because I want to give the officer benefit of the doubt... That he wouldn't just act completely irrationally and destroy his career.

Maybe he did fuck up. The jury is hearing all evidence. Medical records will be released if there. You will also hear about it. Again I don't see why it would be reported that he sustained injuries/an injury if it would just be found out later to be untrue. That's childish, and they I hope would know that saying such a thing without it being true would only hurt Wilson's case.
 
bit_pattern said:
There's not enough information yet so everybody should wait until this goes to court before making up their mind except for you who apparently has enough information that "either way" you can already confidently assert what happened? Cool story...
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It is my opinion he will be found not guilty in court, if he even goes to court based on what is known and witness statements. Is that better semantic nazi? From day one the other side has jumped to all sorts of conclusions and not gotten called out on it. Either way, mods why not close the thread until the court case is over or more is found out and then there will be no confusion and speculation?
 
schwiftee said:
Did he really need to shoot MB 6 times? The last 2 to the head. :(
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No, he really didn't need to do that...which is probably the understatement of the fucking decade.

Frankly, I've always been a fan of law enforcement; when I was five, I wandered off in a huge shopping mall and a policeman bought me an ice cream cone...then took me to find my mother. That kind of thing stays with you, most assuredly.

However, this "new breed" of Terminator cop seriously disturbs me. It seems that every time there's an officer-involved shooting here in Los Angeles, we're told, "The suspect reached for the officer's gun."

I'm not buying it.
 
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Did he really need to shoot MB 6 times? The last 2 to the head. :(
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Already covered... Officers don't shoot to injure (and neither should anyone carrying), they shoot to stop the threat. Like I already said somewhere in this thread unless it hits a vital area one bullet is not likely going to bring a man down, much less a 300lb man unless it's from a 20mm antitank rifle. There's also conflicting evidence saying that it was only 3 shots but ricocheted, but again that's speculation.
 
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nuttynutskin said:
Let it go to court so it can be determined what really happened.
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This is pretty much what the uproar is about. Temporary suspension with pay while an internal investigation is conducted isn't justice.

so far I'm convinced the officer acted in self defense from what is known.
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What is known for certain, though? The only thing that is certain is that the officer shot Brown six times, resulting in his death. Two new reports from nearby (white) construction workers have claimed that Brown indeed had his hands in the air. So even whether or not Brown charged at the officer or if he had surrendered isn't quite clear.
 
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So if you're armed you're going to get into a fight with someone that comes after you with the possibility of them grabbing your gun and shooting your stupid ass with your own weapon? Yeah that makes perfect sense.
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How about using a billy club to knock the person coming at you right the fuck out? Or is that abit too up close and personal for you? City Coppers here didn't have guns up until the mid 90's and they sure as shit had to break up enough bar fights. Ever see the training these pigs have to do? Seriously a person in a wheelchair could pass the fitness level.
 
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There is an atmosphere of fear with American police. They are armed, and use deadly force, because in part handguns are available to ordinary citizens.

I hope in the near future better stun weapons are produced and they are the go to.

In videos some posted of non US cops where they used non lethal force, there was usually one person many cops had to take down or subdue. Wilson was one person. Cops are people. They have fear. They aren't robots. Brown was nearly 300 pounds and what was it, six foot four? Maybe at that point he (Wilson) had been beat to near unconsciousness as has been reported. Maybe this messed with his judgment and in that moment he just used what was available to him, to down the person (Brown).

You talk like cops are so trigger happy. I'm pretty sure in the past year cops in my city of around a million cops have put down less than 10 people. Maybe 7. 2 cops have lost their lives as well.

Maybe things do need to be done a better way. Rethought. And maybe it takes people like all of these fussypants to make happen. I want to hate on Ferguson people acting like fuckers and most recently trying to block I-70 (I'm a driver- I drive a lot for work, and fuck that), but I'm not sure the push for body cameras would have happened as it did without the fuss. I know they were an idea and in the works to be implemented but the awareness of the lack of, in this case, applied a good amount for pressure to get them in use...
 
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paranoid android said:
How about using a billy club to knock the person coming at you right the fuck out? Or is that abit too up close and personal for you? City Coppers here didn't have guns up until the mid 90's and they sure as shit had to break up enough bar fights. Ever see the training these pigs have to do? Seriously a person in a wheelchair could pass the fitness level.
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I don't think they should be forced to play baseball with a 300lb man charging them. And how do they know the person isn't armed? Just because they don't see anything? If I'm armed I'm not going to wait for someone to get to me who obviously wants to do me harm, sorry just the way it is. But if it were up to you cops wouldn't have any weapons and it would be legal to gun them down anyways.
 
It's this guy, I'm sure of it. He sent me a friend request out of nowhere too...

http://www.bluelight.org/vb/members/315071-little-BIG-Pecker

Long story short when I was frequenting the SLR section he got banned for something and then came back a few days later with that name. I'm no detective but his posting style was IDENTICAL to his current pseudonym if anyone compares the posts. I honestly don't know how anyone fell for it, but apparently he's trying to get banned again or something. I don't think he's ever even posted in this section besides that last post.
 
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