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The Ferguson thread / additional race discussion

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I guarantee you if either white people, black people, Hispanics or whatever start openly carrying guns to protect themselves against the police paramilitaries then you will see people flipping out. They don't care about race they just know they can get away with shooting black people more then they can white people.

So where's all this protection from the far right now that we do have a tyrannical state using the police as a paramilitary to instill martial law? Seriously you guys go on holidays at the worst times =D
 
What 23 said:
Good find nutty.
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It actually was a refreshing read. I say this because the right-wing in america has been far more militarized in recent decades than the deteriorating left. This article has left me with a glimmer of optimism that there is still life in the far-left after all, and perhaps one day the pendulum will swing back.
 
bit_pattern said:
But isn't the second amendment meant to protect against government tyranny? :?

[video=youtube_share;YknrZE0CCYE]http://youtu.be/YknrZE0CCYE[/video]

... Or is that only a thing for white people 8)
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I never said some police may have been out of line a bit, but the fact that some protesters have SHOT at police and the police didn't fire back make me think that the majority aren't out of control murderers. So far the only people that have fired any shots are the protesters and I'm honestly surprised that no one has gotten themselves killed yet. The officers are in an extremely dangerous and volatile situation and I would like to see how some of the people that are quick to criticize them would react in the same situation when your safety and wellbeing is being threatened by a large crowd of people. The stupid thing is that if the protesters had just remained peaceful they wouldn't have to worry about any of this, but they chose to escalate things to the point that they needed to send the National Guard in who obviously aren't playing any games. I'm sorry but if you're throwing Molotov cocktails, burning businesses down, and firing at police you aren't going to be met with a whistle and billyclub.

I also heard that some of the journalists were arrested because they were blocking the police or keeping them from being able to handle the protesters, but I can't remember where I read that.
 
paranoid android said:
So where's all this protection from the far right now that we do have a tyrannical state using the police as a paramilitary to instill martial law? Seriously you guys go on holidays at the worst times =D
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Probably nowhere because most people don't see the police trying to protect the city from violent rioters as a tyrannical state. If it were up to you the whole city would be burned down and protesters would be shot in self defense for shooting at the National Guard. How that's rational or supposed to do anything good for the city I have no idea.
 
You lost me after burned down... Did you mean to say if it were up to him the protesters would be shot? I understand how leftists seem to get excited and cheer over destruction, like burning down and looting businesses, but these guys here seem a lot more apt to cheer on the deaths of American soldiers and police officers than protesters. Unless you mean they want to see it to further try to justify their views, then I can understand. They want their revolution.

Confused.
 
nuttynutskin said:
Probably nowhere because most people don't see the police trying to protect the city from violent rioters as a tyrannical state. If it were up to you the whole city would be burned down and protesters would be shot in self defense for shooting at the National Guard. How that's rational or supposed to do anything good for the city I have no idea.
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No i think the police should protect peoples personal property that's where your wrong. What i don't agree with is the fact that the police who have little to no training are taking a offensive stance against the population by installing Martial Law and acting like the fucking SS and pointing guns at people to directly antagonize them. I'm pretty sure the police caused this whole mess anyway if i am correct?
 
Bardeaux said:
It actually was a refreshing read. I say this because the right-wing in america has been far more militarized in recent decades than the deteriorating left. This article has left me with a glimmer of optimism that there is still life in the far-left after all, and perhaps one day the pendulum will swing back.
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Isn't that a bit contradictory when the far-left is antigun, or is it just white people that shouldn't own guns? It's funny how if you're a white person legally carrying an assault rifle you're a stupid redneck, but when black people do the exact same thing the left says nothing about it. I swear liberal "logic" is sure hard to keep up with. Also if it's to be believed that the majority of people on the far-left are antigun yet hate the police, who exactly is supposed to protect anyone?

This about sums it up I think...

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nuttynutskin said:
Isn't that a bit contradictory when the far-left is antigun, or is it just white people that shouldn't own guns? It's funny how if you're a white person legally carrying an assault rifle you're a stupid redneck, but when black people do the exact same thing the left says nothing about it. I swear liberal "logic" is sure hard to keep up with. Also if it's to be believed that the majority of people on the far-left are antigun yet hate the police, who exactly is supposed to protect anyone?

This about sums it up I think...

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What about us Socialists who believe that any citizen regardless of color should be allowed to own guns especially as we are hardly living in any kind of Democracy? Not all lefties are fucking Liberals and Conservatives have far more in common with Liberals then Socialists do with Liberals.

So don't lump us altogether we are not all anti-gun by any means
 
What 23 said:
You lost me after burned down... Did you mean to say if it were up to him the protesters would be shot? I understand how leftists seem to get excited and cheer over destruction, like burning down and looting businesses, but these guys here seem a lot more apt to cheer on the deaths of American soldiers and police officers than protesters. Unless you mean they want to see it to further try to justify their views, then I can understand. They want their revolution.

Confused.
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Uh, what? I was responding to something Paranoid said about what I posted about the owners of a tattoo parlor and gun shop arming themselves to protect their businesses against rioters. He said something to the affect that they would be better off using their weapons to fight against "the tyranny of martial law" than to protect their businesses, which to me could only mean one thing and that's shooting at the cops/National Guard. That would be a good way to commit suicide I guess. Whether right or wrong I find it laughable that anyone thinks that civilians could outmatch the United State's resources to weapons and that goes for both sides. As we're seeing now if the cops can't handle it they're going to send in the guard. And if the guard can't handle it they're just going to send in the army. Anyone who thinks that civilians could take on the military I think is delusional... They would just be stomped out like cockroaches.
 
nuttynutskin said:
Uh, what? I was responding to something Paranoid said about what I posted about the owners of a tattoo parlor and gun shop arming themselves to protect their businesses against rioters. He said something to the affect that they would be better off using their weapons to fight against "the tyranny of martial law" than to protect their businesses, which to me could only mean one thing and that's shooting at the cops/National Guard. That would be a good way to commit suicide I guess. Whether right or wrong I find it laughable that anyone thinks that civilians could outmatch the United State's resources to weapons and that goes for both sides. As we're seeing now if the cops can't handle it they're going to send in the guard. And if the guard can't handle it they're just going to send in the army. Anyone who thinks that civilians could take on the military I think is delusional... They would just be stomped out like cockroaches.
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I was actually making fun of Conservatives who use that as a excuse to own guns. While i do believe in everybody's right to bear arms yes you are right civilians could not directly take on the security forces in the US. Not head on atleast. I just wish right wing twats would stop using that as their excuse. Your average NRA type is your typical reactionary who will always side with the state anyway. The idea of right wingers protecting against tyranny is so absurd only they could believe it.
 
paranoid android said:
What about us Socialists who believe that any citizen regardles of color should be allowed to own guns especially as we are hardly living in any kind of Democracy?
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Well I'm obviously all for owning guns but that's about the only thing I agree with you about. Thinking that citizens have a chance of overthrowing the US government isn't based in reality tho. I hear you talk a lot about your delusional manifesto but are you ready to shoot at cops only to have them picking pieces of your brain material up hours later so you can go out as some anti-government martyr? I doubt it, and I don't think that being a martyr on some suicide by cop mission is the way to change anything other than your lifespan.

Remember this? They seemed to have similar convictions...

http://news.yahoo.com/las-vegas-pol...zcgRwb3MDMTAEY29sbwNncTEEdnRpZANTTUUzOTlfMQ--
 
paranoid android said:
I was actually making fun of Conservatives who use that as a excuse to own guns. While i do believe in everybody's right to bear arms yes you are right civilians could not directly take on the security forces in the US. Not head on atleast. I just wish right wing twats would stop using that as their excuse. Your average NRA type is your typical reactionary who will always side with the state anyway. The idea of right wingers protecting against tyranny is so absurd only they could believe it.
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Well if you were being sarcastic then sorry I didn't pick up on that, but to think that they're always going to side with the state isn't true. Just look at the Bundy ranch standoff.
 
Michael Brown petition has 100,000 signatures; the White House must respond

"Create a bill, sign into law, and set aside funds to require all state, county, and local police, to wear a camera. Due to the latest accounts of deadly encounters with police, We the People, petition for the Mike Brown Law. Create a bill, sign into law, and set aside funds to require all state, county, and local police, to wear a camera. The law shall be made in an effort to not only detour police misconduct (i.e. brutality, profiling, abuse of power), but to ensure that all police are following procedure, and to remove all question, from normally questionable police encounters. As well, as help to hold all parties within a police investigation, accountable for their actions."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...0000-signatures-the-white-house-must-respond/
 
/\ I saw somewhere else someone talking about that. I think it's funny because it's going to backfire for most of the people calling for it when they actually see what the police are up against. They'll still probably try to find a way to say that the officer was still in the wrong if it's a white officer and black suspect but at least it would help in court.

And not sure how I missed this...

paranoid android said:
I'm pretty sure the police caused this whole mess anyway if i am correct?
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That's funny because I could've sworn it was the out of control violent rioters that caused it. I find it pretty pathetic the people that try to blame this all on the police. It's easy to play victim and point fingers and this is exactly what's wrong with a lot of the black community and the reason they aren't progressing. Pretty ridiculous that all of this is over a man a cop killed in self defense, and how many blacks have probably murdered eachother in gang and drug related violence since all of this started? I read somewhere that the Brown family has raised over 90k... IMO that money should go to paying for repairs from the tantrum the children have thrown, but instead people's tax dollars get to foot the bill. If they put as much of an effort as they have with rioting into trying to better themselves and their own community then you wouldn't see things like this happening. I do wonder what's going to happen when the officer is either not charged or found not guilty. Should be interesting.
 
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nuttynutskin said:
It's funny how if you're a white person legally carrying an assault rifle you're a stupid redneck, but when black people do the exact same thing the left says nothing about it.
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The thing I find funny is walking into a Chili's with an AR-15 and expecting to be treated as if nothing out of the ordinary is happening. It's also true of the group from the article that walked into a local restaurant. If I own a restaurant and several people carrying rifles entered my establishment it wouldn't exactly require logical gymnastics for me to assume they are there to fucking rob the place. This part is just irresponsible.

But to have a little march, I don't see the harm. It's good to see a non-right wing organization doing it for once.


nuttynutskin said:
I swear liberal "logic" is sure hard to keep up with. Also if it's to be believed that the majority of people on the far-left are antigun yet hate the police, who exactly is supposed to protect anyone?
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The source of your confusion seems to be your confusion between liberalism and the "far-left". They're very different animals and have very different attitudes towards weapons and the use of violent force or resistance. If liberal democrats are the foundation of your understanding of leftist politics, there is much to learn.
 
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Bardeaux said:
The source of your confusion seems to be your confusion between liberalism and the "far-left". They're very different animals and have very different attitudes towards weapons and the use of violent force or resistance. If liberal democrats are the foundation of your understanding of leftist politics, there is much to learn.
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This. If people actually had a better grasp of what the various political ideologies actually represent they probably wouldn't believe the crazy shit they do.
 
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