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The Ferguson thread / additional race discussion

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Well, after referring to the black people in Ferguson as animals, educating us as to how black children are brought up, and acting as if these communities can somehow build themselves up with non-existent resources nuttynutskin has certainly proven itself to not have a racist bone in its body. 8)

I would've referred to white people or anyone else behaving in the same way as animals, so spare me. As far as children, did you know that in 2010 72% of black children were born to unwed mothers? http://www.nbcnews.com/id/39993685/...ggle-percent-unwed-mothers-rate/#.U_sDo2NXO9t

Have you ever walked down a street where you could get gunned down for wearing the wrong color t-shirt? Oh wait, you live in Germany, but please enlighten me about what's going on here and how not addressing any of these few problems I mentioned off of a staggering list African Americans face would be better than marching up and down the street crying about injustice, or even worse looting, rioting and hurting your own community. And non-existent resources? Give me a break. They aren't exactly doing much for resources by destroying their businesses. But I guess when the shop owners of Ferguson collect insurance and move out to a more civilized city the residents can go back to complaining how there's no options or resources for them and whitey's got them down again. :\ There's a reason why a lot of people would choose to not live in a black neighborhood and it isn't because they're KKK members.
 
What makes you think I'm Australian?
Because I live here?
I'll comment upon what I want, when I want - because I don't live in a segregated paranoid police surveillance state.
If you wanna play the race card, the nationalist card and tell me I'm crying, I'll suggest you're another intellectually-repressed American, and you should go back to trolling the lounge, shimazu. ;)
 
if you say anything too racist on bluelight you get banned and I dont really care about your shit sub forum

I cant even say what I want to say

and youre bitching about oppression?

again, cry about it
 
yeah well when I start letting Australians tell me how America works I think I'll be inclined to agree with you

I seriously think it would be funny to send one of these posters from other countries commenting on this shit to a hood in the US somewhere for half a year and see if their view changes some, that is if they didn't get shot.
 
So the USA's social ills are a source of macho pride?
Or are you saying that you're too scared of non-whites to go into the segregated neighbourhoods that exist in your country?
I've been to some pretty rough parts of the US, but compared to the israeli occupied territories - or any of the other horrendous war zones the US has created in the last decade or so - I'd say they're pretty mild. Just people trying to get on with their lives.

But I won't hold your lack of knowledge of the outside world against you - I understand that the American media and political system work hard to keep it that way, for their own ends. I mean, who would want to go and kill people they can actually relate to?
 
Have you ever walked down a street where you could get gunned down for wearing the wrong color t-shirt? Oh wait, you live in Germany, but please enlighten me about what's going on here and how not addressing any of these few problems I mentioned off of a staggering list African Americans face would be better than marching up and down the street crying about injustice, or even worse looting, rioting and hurting your own community. And non-existent resources? Give me a break. They aren't exactly doing much for resources by destroying their businesses. But I guess when the shop owners of Ferguson collect insurance and move out to a more civilized city the residents can go back to complaining how there's no options or resources for them and whitey's got them down again. :\ There's a reason why a lot of people would choose to not live in a black neighborhood and it isn't because they're KKK members.

Lol, I know all too well. I went to middle and high school in what is considered one of the top 25 most dangerous neighborhoods in the US. Chronic defunding/underfunding has destroyed these people. There are no jobs where they live because there is no funding for the infrastructure. Dream on if you think the US is fair to all, and treats all humans as equals. People in these neighborhoods need help and assistance.

It all starts with the educational system leaving many schools in poorer areas in the dark. Parents often weren't educated well, the kids are often even more poorly educated partly because aside from a few experimental program schools there are no schools in these areas teaching the kids anything. They can't compete normally in society, and see no future. I have seen first hand how these same kids from the same parents profit immensely when brought into a environment conducive to success (normally a ~98% graduation rate across the board for a 50% black, 40% white, 10% other high school).

I am talking about a problem that is nationwide in the US. I don't think the US is a third world country, but it is starting to resemble one in some areas. What solutions are actually being proposed to fix these situations? Why is it that young black men have such a fear of police? Is it a irrational, or is it well deserved?
 
Cops aren't trained to runaway from criminals. Ever heard the stand your ground law? It also applies to conceal carrying citizens.

I have heard of that law, if I recall correctly it is the law that George Zimmerman used as a defense for murdering Trayvon Martin, perhaps I have that wrong. Language like stand your ground makes it seem like this is as much about assertion of authority as it is about self defense.

Do people really need to be trained to evade a knife wielding assailant? Moving in the opposite direction of an attacker is not only common sense but usually instinct.

Right, because in a life and death situation with seconds or less to react you can just hit the pause button and go back to the drawing board. IMO which is obviously the minority on here the officers responded appropriately in both incidents.

After Powell was lying on the ground with six bullets in him the only person this was a life and death situation for was him, it is ludicrous to suggest at this stage he was still such a threat that Police Officers would need a magic pause button to reach for their tazers instead of firing more rounds into him.

In self defense it does and honestly I don't feel sorry for them. The common denominator in both incidents is that both people could've lived to see another day if they hadn't done anything wrong and did what the officers told them.

Again it comes back to assertion of authority, because they didn't listen to Police commands fair enough they are dead. That makes no sense, the only reason the Police, or anybody else, should kill someone is if they have to, not because the person won't obey their commands. They didn't have to kill this guy and the fact that Police elsewhere in the world are disarming people armed with knifes without the use of firearms on a regular basis is irrefutable proof of this fact.

I said it before and I'll say it again, don't bring a knife to a gunfight.

Why does it have to be a gun fight though? The Police made that choice, not Powell. I love how you don't have one single comment about the fact that Police pretty much everywhere else manage to get these situations under control without the use of deadly force. Do you believe Police in your Country to be so poorly trained and ineffective that they must resort to these methods when others do not?
 
No, it's about culture. I mean just look at black culture and what it represents... Selling drugs, murder, violence, prostitution etc., etc. Where would you rather walk down the street at 2am, a black or white neighborhood? Tough questions to answer but people are so afraid of being politically incorrect it's stupid. Either way a pretty large portion of the black community wants to make it racial and the media loves it. Remember the whole Trayvon Martin case with the media reporting that George Zimmerman was white when in fact he is actually mixed race and (SHOCK), part African American? And then you had the president making asinine comments like how if he had a son he would look like Trayvon. Yeah there's white racists but if you think that some black people aren't some of the most racist people there are you're sadly mistaken. Yeah I get where the chip on the shoulder comes from but it's 2014. If they put half the energy that they do to being outraged every time a white person does something to a black person into bettering their own community they'd be doing themselves a lot more good than rioting and destroying their own community.

:o You're joking right? That isn't black culture...I've lived in "black" neighborhoods where the things you mention don't exist. You're describing poor neighborhoods which aren't limited to just the black population.

This thread is pretty amazing.

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I am racist, I dont care.

Hey at least you admit it. I find this kind of honesty refreshing. Much better than some of the other posters.

Still disturbing, though.
 
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everyone wants to be poilitically correct until they are the ones stuck in McDonalds behind a quasi-family who takes 20 minutes to order and WANTS you to say something about it

everyone wants to be politically correct until their house is worth less solely because of your neighbors

everyone wants to be politically correct until someone is bangin on your door at 11 in the morning and when you answer the door you get a surprised face and "oh I was just warning you about some people going around the neighborhood and breaking into houses"

nice guy right? yeah if youre a sucker. he'll be back at a later unspecified date and youll be down a laptop

everyone is PC until YOU gotta deal with what we are complaining about.

socioeconomics only factors in so much. My grandfather's family was incredibly poor during the Great Depression (like most families) but they didnt act like a bunch of ignorant jackasses and blame it on their upbringing.

and dont blame it on education, I barely even went to school. Oldest excuse in the book

"well our schools arent getting enough funding"

"how we gonna teach these kids?"

"we gotta get kids to WANT to learn again"

ok, stop teaching it how we are now, it's clearly not working. We take these kids who really have no idea about much of anything and expect them to remember when the Spanish Armada launched. Just get them to know what it is? too much emphasis on frivolous things in schooling when the bottom line should simply be:

how are YOU, going to hold your weight in society?

none of this lofty goals bullshit, just be real with these kids

that's all black people talk about anyway, "keepin it real"

and im the asshole for saying this? lets ask the people in Ferguson who's keeping it realer

if I was black I would have an HBO special, instead im getting banned from internet boards

now that's progress
 
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^What exactly does any of that have to do with the topic at hand?
If i were you, I'd be wary of calling other people ignorant jackasses, going by your previous posts in this thread.


Edit - i see you tried to add something of relevance to the thread. You get banned for being a fool who can't abide by simple rules.

Again;
in the meantime

cry about it
:D
 
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socioeconomics only factors in so much. My grandfather's family was incredibly poor during the Great Depression (like most families) but they didnt act like a bunch of ignorant jackasses and blame it on their upbringing.

Yes, a few years of poverty is just like hundreds of years of institutionalized racism and poverty. Blacks were still getting hanged from trees during the depression while your grandpa was getting adjusted to being poor.

and dont blame it on education, I barely even went to school. Oldest excuse in the book

So, you're a doctor or a lawyer then?

Socioeconomics and education are pieces of the puzzle, but they're only pieces. Combine poverty and lack of quality education with this mindless consumer culture that affects all races in America, and we get poor, uneducated citizens who are obsessed with brands and pop culture. This distraction applies to all races, but blacks have been disproportionately impoverished for centuries.
 
socioeconomics only factors in so much. My grandfather's family was incredibly poor during the Great Depression (like most families) but they didnt act like a bunch of ignorant jackasses and blame it on their upbringing.

how are YOU, going to hold your weight in society?
none of this lofty goals bullshit, just be real with these kids
that's all black people talk about anyway, "keepin it real"
and im the asshole for saying this?

First before I tear you apart I am going to say this (in accordance with "keeping it real")
You are a GIANT ass hole.

socioeconomics only factors in so much. My grandfather's family was incredibly poor during the Great Depression (like most families) but they didnt act like a bunch of ignorant jackasses and blame it on their upbringing.

Socioeconomics plays a HUGE factor. David Harvey is trying to get "urban planning" projects off the ground to combat gentrification and the death of factory cities. Socioeconomics is the MAIN factor in ALL aspects of running a SOCIETY BASED ON MONEY. As far as subjectivity you do have one point on your side. We can control how we react, plan, and strive.
If you want to impress us with your subjectivity I ask you to do me one favor. Sell all of your material goods and move to the least educated area, with the highest crime rate, the lowest income rate, the lowest employment rate, and then I want you to come stand at my feet; if you do not smell like fresh cut roses I get to slap you in the face. Just once.

how are YOU, going to hold your weight in society?
none of this lofty goals bullshit, just be real with these kids
that's all black people talk about anyway, "keepin it real"
and im the asshole for saying this?

Tell me....What do YOU do for society? What if I were to sit here and dissect your intestines, looking for lost lofty goals, only to find that you project bull shit to cover the fact that you like to "keep it real". If I did that, I believe I would find false pride.
 
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Quite an informative opinion piece;
Why the Ferguson unrest is not surprising

Given the US is so unwilling to own up to its racial history, the question over the Ferguson unrest is not, "How could this happen?" but, "Why did it take so long?" writes Ruby Hamad.

22 August 2014
When George Zimmerman was acquitted of the murder of Trayvon Martin in July last year, the response of much of the American populace - not limited to the black portion of the population - was swift.

The protests across the country were large and angry but overwhelmingly peaceful.

I was in New York during that city's rally, and speaking to some locals there was clearly a burning desire for a more just society but, from the black community at least, also a sense of resignation that seemed to say, "This is America. This will always be America".

Since Trayvon's death, there have been countless innocent black men and women killed both by police and gun-wielding vigilantes (many of whom have literally gotten away with murder). Indeed, a black man is killed by police or vigilantes every 28 hours.

Some of these victims include:

Eric Garner, a diabetic man choked to death by a policeman on the streets of New York.

Renisha McBride, a college student who was shot in the face after knocking on a stranger's door for help when her car broke down. Her killer is awaiting sentencing.

Jordan Davis, a teenager shot by a white, middle-aged stranger who was furious that Davis and his friends were playing loud music in a public parking lot.

And, of course, there is Michael Brown, the 18-year-old shot six times by a white policeman in Ferguson, Missouri.

I've never been to Ferguson, so I couldn't explain what it is about that particular city that made it ripe for the greatest outpouring of anger at the loss of yet another one of their young men since the Rodney King riots in the early 1990s.

According to this article by Jamelle Bouie, however, every black person in Ferguson has a story about the police. One of these is 25-year-old Cary Ball Jnr who was shot and killed with 25 rounds just last year.

Police officers are rarely indicted for shooting unarmed black men. Add to this the fact that Ferguson is among the most racially segregated cities in America (it has just one black council member and three black police officers on a force of 53), and the outcome of Brown's shooting now seems inevitable.

Perceived to be much more dangerous than they actually are, the myth of the Dangerous Black Man is partly driven by the overrepresentation of black men in prison. While black people form 13.2 per cent of the general population, they are 37 per cent of the prison population, but it's not necessarily because they commit more crimes. Black people are far more likely to be charged than white people for the same offences, and more likely to be incarcerated when convicted.

Most offenders are in prison for non-violent offences, including drug-related crimes. Even though blacks sell and use drugs at the same rate as whites, they are three to five times more likely to be arrested.

All of which adds up to make black people feel like the justice system is not only stacked against them, but actively out to get them. Which is understandable given cases such that of Marisa Alexander, a black woman sentenced to 20 years in jail for firing a warning shot at her husband, a known domestic abuser. On appeal the prosecution signalled their intent to seek an increase to 60 years.

In the last year alone, two working black mothers have been arrested and charged for what essentially amounts to being poor. Homeless monther Shanesha Taylor left her children in the car while she went for a job interview, while Debra Harrell was arrested for allowing her daughter to play alone in a local park, while she worked at McDonald's.

Without condoning this behaviour, surely we can agree this is less an indication of criminality and more a sign of a system that discriminates against people in poverty (who, of course, are disproportionately black).

While these mothers are being prosecuted, privileged white men get away with far worse crimes. Last year 16-year-old Ethan Couch made sensational news when a judge decided he suffered from "affluenza" and therefore was ill-suited to spend any time in prison.

Couch had killed four people in a car crash after he'd been drinking and speeding.

There is a terrible irony to president Barack Obama's pleas for calm from Martha's Vineyard, the centre of white elitism. Even before Ferguson, black people have long since given up on his ability or even willingness to address these grievances.

Race remains a touchy subject for white people, even more so than here in Australia. The insistence that simply believing in racial equality is enough, that racism today amounts to nothing more than saying bad words that hurt people's feelings, all while denying the discrimination against minorities, leads many to now view racism against whites as being as big a problem than that against blacks.

Already tense race relations are not helped by things such as SketchFactor, an app developed by white New Yorkers to help people avoid "bad" parts of town. "Sketchy" of course, has long being used to describe black neighbourhoods.

In a city already reeling from the negative effects of gentrification, with blacks and other minorities driven out of areas they have long populated, this app has certainly not gone down well.

America simply hasn't come to terms with its history. The only thing that surprises me about Ferguson is that people are surprised about Ferguson. The criminalisation of the black body - both male and female - has coupled with overzealous policing to create a perfect storm.

Black people may arouse fear in white Americans but it is their safety and lives that are in danger. In a country this unwilling to own up to its own racial history, the question is not, "How could this happen?" but, "Why did it take so long?"
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-08-22/hamad-why-the-ferguson-unrest-is-not-surprising/5688520?pfm=ms
 
It's pretty stupid that if you point out problems that blacks need to fix in their own community you're called a racist, yet the same people on here are the ones to help perpetuate the belief that blacks will forever be oppressed and the victim which will change nothing. That to me is the real racism.
 
lol are you serious? An Australian writing an article about what's going on in ferguson. Man I bet she knows so much about what's going on in the US, definitely a reputable article if you ask me.


If you read it you might come up with a "reputable" response.
Or just more sulky trolling. I know that's your "edgy" style.
 
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It's pretty stupid that if you point out problems that blacks need to fix in their own community you're called a racist, yet the same people on here are the ones to help perpetuate the belief that blacks will forever be oppressed and the victim which will change nothing. That to me is the real racism.
Try reading the article, genius.
 
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