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The Ferguson thread / additional race discussion

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Why are you so pro-police, nutty?

Can you not empathise at all with the opposing viewpoint here?
Your arguments seem very black and white (no pun intended...but perhaps, "black and white" may serve as a reasonable basis for describing your position in more ways than one?).

I could ask this of any number of contributors on either side of the debate, but you seem to be revelling in a pro-law enforcement point of view, which in this instance stands out to me.
Can you shed any light on this?
Does a hardline, militarised, trigger-happy state authority institution give you a sense of comfort?
Or do you perhaps think that the community somehow deserves what has been inflicted upon it?

Obviously these are just speculations on my part - not wishing to put words in your mouth - but I'm genuinely curious as to why you would take the police line on this issue.
Are American communities that divided?
 
Solidarity: from one occupied state to another <3

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What changes have we made to the system so far?

NOTHING!

Obviously there are systemic problems, and Ferguson is just another in a long line of incidents.

There is no way to even prove this officer is guilty of anything.
1. - He did not have to wear a camera. (he didn't even have to have his dash cam on either)
2. - we as a nation do not limit the deadly force of an officer once an "alleged" assault occurs.
3. - more shit i didn't think of.


every fucking time we divide into 2 dramatic groups and debate and moan, yet rarely are systemic changes made.
 
Hey folx, I hate to be all "that's what they want you to think, durr...", but did anyone stop and think that all the tired old race baiting is a distraction from the real issue: that the USA has become a goddamn police state??!!

That's what disturbs me most about this. I never thought I'd live to see a US city put under martial law. There are riots because a certain group of people is sick and tired of living in fear of an [increasingly!] armed force that claims to have their best interests in mind, then commits human rights abuses against them, and would rather be beaten, jailed, or killed than live under such a system of fear. Amnesty International has dinged the USA's human rights record several times for police brutality and excessive use of force against unarmed civilians, especially less enfranchised minorities.

All I can say is, it's a jungle out there. Be wise, my fellow deviants and citizens of the margins and the shadows. Know when it's time to strut your stuff, and when it's time to keep your head low. There is no such thing as true security -- we're all weak and vulnerable, and we're all bound to die. But two things are very much within your power: to live for the principles and the people you cherish, and to die likewise.
 
spacejunk said:
Why are you so pro-police, nutty?
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I'm not really pro or anti but I choose to look at it on a case by cases basis. To blame everything on the police I think is stupid. Police are just a product of modern society. Like it or not there's always going to be a need for some sort of policing because of all the stupid people.

spacejunk said:
Can you not empathise at all with the opposing viewpoint here?
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As far as murdering cops, no. But do I think that police sometimes fuck up and abuse their power? Of course... Just not in these cases.

spacejunk said:
Your arguments seem very black and white (no pun intended...but perhaps, "black and white" may serve as a reasonable basis for describing your position in more ways than one?)
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Pot calling the kettle black much? The same thing could easily be said for people on the other side of the issue.

spacejunk said:
I could ask this of any number of contributors on either side of the debate, but you seem to be revelling in a pro-law enforcement point of view, which in this instance stands out to me.
Can you shed any light on this?
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IMO in both instances the cops acted in self defense. What more do you need to know?

spacejunk said:
Does a hardline, militarised, trigger-happy state authority institution give you a sense of comfort?
Or do you perhaps think that the community somehow deserves what has been inflicted upon it?
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If the protesters had just remained peaceful the whole trainwreck could've easily been avoided. But instead the animals chose to loot, destroy property, lob Molotov cocktails and even shoot at the police. They really left the police with no other choice than to be heavy handed.

spacejunk said:
Obviously these are just speculations on my part - not wishing to put words in your mouth - but I'm genuinely curious as to why you would take the police line on this issue.
Are American communities that divided?
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Basically because of what I've already said. And yes unfortunately a lot of communities are as divided as what we're seeing. I think a big part of the problem is that a lot of black people especially in poorer communities are brought up to hate and distrust the police and a lot of times white people in general. So when a white cop shoots a black person it doesn't matter that it was self defense and they just scream and holler racism and injustice which in turn only perpetuates things. I mean when's the last time you saw this kind of outrage over a cop shooting a white person, or this kind outrage over black on black crime. I believe the majority of blacks killed in homicides in the US are at the hands of other blacks. Not that long ago there was something like 40 shootings in Chicago yet where were Al and Jesse then?
 
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If the protesters had just remained peaceful the whole trainwreck could've easily been avoided. But instead the animals chose to loot, destroy property, lob Molotov cocktails and even shoot at the police. They really left the police with no other choice than to be heavy handed.
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You would have made a great Royalist in Boston at the start of the American Revolution
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Those danged patriots were asking for it
 
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So it's about skin colour. I get it.
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No, it's about culture. I mean just look at black culture and what it represents... Selling drugs, murder, violence, prostitution etc., etc. Where would you rather walk down the street at 2am, a black or white neighborhood? Tough questions to answer but people are so afraid of being politically incorrect it's stupid. Either way a pretty large portion of the black community wants to make it racial and the media loves it. Remember the whole Trayvon Martin case with the media reporting that George Zimmerman was white when in fact he is actually mixed race and (SHOCK), part African American? And then you had the president making asinine comments like how if he had a son he would look like Trayvon. Yeah there's white racists but if you think that some black people aren't some of the most racist people there are you're sadly mistaken. Yeah I get where the chip on the shoulder comes from but it's 2014. If they put half the energy that they do to being outraged every time a white person does something to a black person into bettering their own community they'd be doing themselves a lot more good than rioting and destroying their own community.
 
IMO when you talk about "black and white" as "them and us", you're invariably part of the problem.

Sure, it's 2014 - but since when is there a statute of limitations on ingrained social problems, prejudice and racism?
The social self improvement you're looking for is utopian (at best).
The whole situation looks rather dystopian from my perspective.
 
legalizeall said:
I think your the only one making yourself look like an ass cause if you look at my other posts here i state that im not a patriot in anyway and i think the u.s. is full of problems. Most of the time when i talk about cops i say pigs so i definitely realize the military part of the cops shit. So this entire post is wrong. My problem is with batman and robin running around just looking for fights by basing america. You can talk shit about america that's fine, but i don't think they have the right to talk so much shit cause they don't live here. And the only response they give me is the grammar shit and im out of their league. What league is this. Current events on a drugs forum site? Ok. Big time shit. Ya they think their informed but all news is biased or filtered in some way so the fact they can comment on every facet of it including history, give me a break. So ya get your head out your ass and see what my actual views are before you paint me as some patriot.
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You are fighting against two people who are confronting you with the realities of the situation. Talk about shooting the messenger. Their frustration is easy to understand. Your counter arguments rarely consist of anything other than hot air.

There are a lot of other people in the world looking on with grave concern as the US squabbles about stupid shit while addressing few of the most poignant problems of the day.

People in the US should be more open to foreign opinion if they want to actually get a picture from different perspectives (which may help them at least identify their internal rot).
 
Well, after referring to the black people in Ferguson as animals, educating us as to how black children are brought up, and acting as if these communities can somehow build themselves up with non-existent resources nuttynutskin has certainly proven itself to not have a racist bone in its body. 8)
 
Racism/racist is a word coined by an intolerant mass murderer.
 
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these people want to live like thugs than get up in arms when they are shot by police

keep in mind it is easy to protest all day when you dont have to go to work ever

They bring out armed guards because of the precedent set by the LA Riots/Katrina

a decent percentage of these people are probably armed illegally, im not sure how much support you want to give their little sob story

I am racist, I dont care. You guys dont even know who or what you are defending, just some drug users trying to make things seem a lot worse than they actually are.

police get shot at by armed minorities more than any of you would like to admit

seriously cry about it
 
spacejunk said:
IMO when you talk about "black and white" as "them and us", you're invariably part of the problem.

Sure, it's 2014 - but since when is there a statute of limitations on ingrained social problems, prejudice and racism?
The social self improvement you're looking for is utopian (at best).
The whole situation looks rather dystopian from my perspective.
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I wasn't talking in and us and them connotation, at least not purposefully, I'm just calling it like I see it. And the one black preacher someone posted a few pages back basically said the same thing I'm saying. I guess it's only ok if black people talk about things related to race tho?

It's funny that you obviously think I'm a racist but it's your mindset that's exactly what is holding back a lot of the black community. They would rather play the victim and cry about oppression from a long time ago than actually address any of their own social problems.
 
Ignorant people of any skin colour will jump on bandwagons presented to them, as you've comprehensively demonstrated.
 
yeah well when I start letting Australians tell me how America works I think I'll be inclined to agree with you

in the meantime

cry about it

do you not get that? you are from Australia and spend more time arguing about America than people who actually live here. this isnt even news in the US, its a 30 second headline on Fox at 5pm. people already forgot about Trayvon Martin

like I said, just another somewhat justifiable reason for black people to flash mob
 
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