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Monsterdirt

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HEllo,
i honestly dont know wich subject to put this in but this one seemed like it might be good.

Optimus Prime, feels stuck.....
their idea is they cannot trip lsd anymore..
having tomany bad trips has scared them straight.
hes basically gotten past the death thing and tripping forever fear.... its just being insane... and nothing making sense
is asking for basically some advice..
lsd was his favorite. its hard to trip anything else but as far as he can tell he can do them.... everytrip just has a spot of bad ideas ya know?
would anyone have a gewd word to throw me?
they already think they should quit... but how can you just abandon somthing you really love?

just lemme know if you got anything positive for him.
thanks! :)
 
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My first question to you is, how often do you trip?
If you over do anything you're going to lose the enjoyment you once got from it.
LSD, in my experience is one of the more powerful psychedelics, the one that everything is compared to. Time is really the only thing that will be able to fix the problem. If you take some time away from drugs in general, when you finally come back to them, you may have a different mind set and therefore be able to avoid having another bad trip.


Also, the SWIM acronym is something we don't use here. It does nothing for you as far as legally protecting you is concerned, as it could easily stand for "Someone who is me" :)
 
lol wuteva mates, sorry im new
im just looking for sum advise.
a piece of mind that will help with this strugle
 
Back before everything went south.... it was like at least everyweekend.
i honestly think i did it because it because the experience didnt change... was amazing everytime...
my first bad trip i was on 7 double diped papers. and this dude who was trying his very hardest to scare me... think i got molested in the process(weirdly dont care bout that hehe) i just lost it from there
this was almost 2 tah 2n half years ago.
took like a looong break and now i trip like everyother month. but i wont get near lsd.




_Keaton said:
My first question to you is, how often do you trip?
If you over do anything you're going to lose the enjoyment you once got from it.
LSD, in my experience is one of the more powerful psychedelics, the one that everything is compared to. Time is really the only thing that will be able to fix the problem. If you take some time away from drugs in general, when you finally come back to them, you may have a different mind set and therefore be able to avoid having another bad trip.


Also, the SWIM acronym is something we don't use here. It does nothing for you as far as legally protecting you is concerned, as it could easily stand for "Someone who is me" :)
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even if it is something which he loves, there is still possible good reason in withholding himself.

the times or time-spans in which each of us takes our consciousness-ventures is a very personal calendar....it's hard to really give advice from the outside per say. with some meditation and contemplation on the subject, or maybe some therapeutic discussion with a friend, one should be able to decipher what is right.

ultimately the energy to interpret is the 'feeling' or 'vibe' you're getting from your connection to (or consideration of) consuming psychedelics. perhaps you just have a preemptive anxiety regarding an unresolved issue which you are on some level afraid to re confront via psychedelics...either that or you're feeling a disharmonious vibrational interference pattern between you and the psychedelics. if your contemplations/meditations lead you to feel that the former is the case, then meditate further on when the right time to reproach the psychedelics is, as well as intensive ponderings on what kind of preparations are necessary to serve as a launch pad for you to transcend your problems.....if your examination of your situation leads you to believe that it is simply not time for you to work with psychedelics, then i recommend you do so.

and if you're afraid of 'letting go' of your past-times in wonderland, you can reassure yourself that nothing is permanent :D reassess your situation after you've developed yourself and your life-situation a bit.

as far as i can tell, psychedelics are no joke and nothing to mess around with...when it is time to withhold, then it is time to withhold. such a blessing as our adventures sometimes need counterbalance with discipline. :D hope this helps....
 
Just say "I", optimus prime is also third person narrating exactly like SWIM.

Indeed, don't trip too often. And there might be something that you are avoiding that manifests this negativity. It may be hard to see, denial is a very strange animal, but I'd say the cause would be either chemical (like clinical depression, and I have no reason to suspect that), or psychological meaning that there is something left unresolved.

Try a lower dose next time and INTENTLY try to see what's going on that makes you feel bad. Let it in, just accept it for what it is and let it make itself known. It requires you to be truthful to yourself.

Some people might suggest an increasingly higher dose to break through it but that can have very adverse effects. Catharsis, release, true realization those sound like your best bets though.

If not, just stop and try to deal with it soberly. Stay away from all drugs and let whatever it is boil to the surface. If pressed enough or long enough sooner or later you should see what it is.
 
What this all comes down to is - if you do not feel comfortable with the psychedelic realm, with all its inherent fear and negativity, than perhaps psychs are not the drugs for you. Maybe you do have impending issues, maybe you don't, but tripping carries with it certain emotions and experiences most people just can't handle. It seems to me that you are not talking specifically about an isolated episode, but rather about that undefinable dark energy that floats out there. If you want to combat those feelings, you need to better understand what that energy is. You should read some psychedelic literature, maybe you will find some answers there.
 
I mean there are other psychedelics other then LSD, maybe you could start out with something softer like 2c-i, 2c-b, or even 5-meo-dalt. Once your used to the psychedelic universe then you can graduate to LSD, and then maybe up the dose. I mean LSD isn't for everyone and with today's RC scene I am sure you could find a handful of psychedelics you enjoy.
 
i love psychedelics they never brought me any trouble till that one trip....
every trip, theres this one point where i have like.... a negitive epiphany... where i just get the fear and start spiraling down. even on shit like 2cb i have this moment... but because it doesnt have much "mind fuck" to it, makes it manageable soo i can calm without trouble. i just cant get rid of that bad process that starts. i mean yea i doo have long waiting periods now.... but idk... guess i should wait more than acouple months
 
I know exactly what your going through. I had been taking psychedelics for about 7 or 8 years before I had my first bad trip/panic attack and since then more often than not it goes down the same pathway. From what I've read and discovered from panic attacks is that whatever you were doing the first time you had a panic attack can set off another panic attack in the future. Unfortunately, for me at least, the trigger is tripping. My first bad trip was caused my an existing phobia and a bad situation (BIG spider on my shoulder whilst tripping pretty hard).

For me taking breaks doesn't make a difference. As with normal situationally induced panic attacks exposure therapy is effective for this too. Basically taking low doses and getting used to tripping without having the thoughts that set of the bad trip and SLOWLY working your way up. For me now my bad trips are always about previous bad trips but the first spider bad trip is no longer a reoccurring thing. So by have enough good low dose experiences you can eventually retrain your brain that tripping isn't a bad thing.

Another thing that can help in the short term is low dose benzos before hand. I find 0.5-2 mg of klonopin at tleast an hour before taking the psychedelic significantly reduces that chance of having a bad trip without affecting the intensity of the trip much if at all.

Another Short term aid ia beta blockers like propranolol which are useful for preventing panic attacks because it stops the physical symptoms of anxiety which are often the first to arise. By stopping these your brain is less likely to go into panic mode.

I find it useful to have atypical anti-psychotics on hand for ending a trip if need be. Don't need much. 0.5mg of zyprexa stops most trips because it is a 5-ht2A antagonist.

I can very much understand you not wanting to just give up on something so special and useful. Somethings in life are worth going through hard times to retain.
 
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thank you chaos destroy... this is what i was looking for...
you have opened my eyes to a new light.
you were exactly what i was looking for.
its gewd to hear those words from
just recently had a weird/ half bad trip at a festie
re readin this helped my mind cope a lil more :)

sometimes when i have bad trip... im completely convinced that psycadelics are traps. and that my mind is alone in this world and that everyone (including my best friends) are trying to make me take them sooo i go insane. comeing out of a THICK trip daze from years can make ya go a serious amount of kkrraazzyy. its hard to just remember that its all in my head sumtimes...
 
what can you tell me about this, panic attack exposure therapy?

im very interested in this. what could you tell me about it?
 
I'm no psychotherapist so it would be good to have a look around and read as much as you can yourself rather than take my word on a topic such as this. Just Google exposure therapy for panic attacks and you should find several pages with information.

Anyway you may have seen on a doco about people overcoming fears such as arachnophobia by slowly exposing themselves (not the trench coat in the park sort of way) to the thing they are afraid of in a safe and controlled environment. It the case of spiders they will first look at pictures of spiders on a screen whilst keeping themselves calm. The important thing is not to stop as soon as they feel the anxiety because the point is to over come the fear. Once they have this stage down they might move on to holding photos of spiders, then perhaps looking at spiders in jars until eventually they are able to have a spider walking on their hands with no fear. Of cause at least some of this is normally done with a trained therapist over the cause of many months or years depending on the patient.

The same principles can be applied to this situation. Depending on how bad someones situation is they may need to start of by merely thinking about tripping and making sure they are relaxed. Then start by taking threshold doses really getting used to the psychedelic experience all over again. If you feel anxiety or panicky at all you can use breathing exercises and rational thinking to calm down. Also taking your mind of the anxiety and focusing on something else like a video game or something that requires a lot of your attention should help make it pass. Resist the urge to take boost doses just because your feeling good as this could set you back if it back fires. What you would do then is once your completely comfortable with a particular dose only then would you increase the dose slightly the next time you dose making sure to give enough time between dosing. By doing this you should be able to un-condition your brain to associate tripping with fear and panic.

There are several websites that explain this in much better detail than me (of cause they don't talk about using it for psychedelics). I hope this is helpful.
 
Solipsis said:
Just say "I", optimus prime is also third person narrating exactly like SWIM.

Indeed, don't trip too often. And there might be something that you are avoiding that manifests this negativity. It may be hard to see, denial is a very strange animal, but I'd say the cause would be either chemical (like clinical depression, and I have no reason to suspect that), or psychological meaning that there is something left unresolved.

Try a lower dose next time and INTENTLY try to see what's going on that makes you feel bad. Let it in, just accept it for what it is and let it make itself known. It requires you to be truthful to yourself.

Some people might suggest an increasingly higher dose to break through it but that can have very adverse effects. Catharsis, release, true realization those sound like your best bets though.

If not, just stop and try to deal with it soberly. Stay away from all drugs and let whatever it is boil to the surface. If pressed enough or long enough sooner or later you should see what it is.
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This pretty much sums up my thoughts on the matter. Definitely take long breaks between experiences and keep the dose low for a while until you start to feel more comfortable with tripping again.
 
I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
Only I will remain

(Sorry, couldn't help myself)


I'd second birTee's advice.
 
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