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The Fall of Christianity

Most scholars reject that there is any evidence that an adult Jesus traveled or studied outside Galilee and Judea.[55][56] Robert Van Voorst states that modern scholarship has "almost unanimously agreed" that claims of the travels of Jesus to Tibet, Kashmir or India contain "nothing of value"
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From wikipedia.
 
TBH, I'm starting to question a lot of information written in the bible. My former country was conquered by Spaniards for 333 years and used religion to control the people. If there are really angels, or if there is really the Resurrection, Assumption in heaven then why doesn't it happen nowadays? There are a lot of good people in the world so why can't they experience the same?
 
rickolasnice said:
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People have innocently assumed such travels because there are parallels between what Jesus said and practiced, and what the eastern faiths espouse. However, I think it has more to do with the fact that higher level spiritual achievements tend to look the same across systems because there are universal truths involved.

On the other hand, the story of Jesus has analogues in even more ancient cultures, like Egypt, Babylonia, and Sumeria. Horus was an egyptian god born of a virgin birth, baptized, had 12 followers or disciples, performed miracles, was crucified and then rose from the dead, etc. His story is 1000 years before Jesus. The thing is, the Egyptians did have contact with the far east, so that would explain the similarities.

Also, more importantly, some books from the Bible pre-date even Jesus' crucifixion, so who knows where the collection of stories and knowledge actually came from.
 
Actually, one of the craziest things I've read is from one of Edgar Cayce (who was quite a gifted clairvoyant) readings into Jesus' past lives, where he claimed his first life on Earth was as Adam where he was the one responsible for our original fall, so his life as Jesus was a way for him to make up for that.

So that might tie into the second testament, but is so crazy, I won't even comment.
 
Maya said:
TBH, I'm starting to question a lot of information written in the bible. My former country was conquered by Spaniards for 333 years and used religion to control the people. If there are really angels, or if there is really the Resurrection, Assumption in heaven then why doesn't it happen nowadays? There are a lot of good people in the world so why can't they experience the same?
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The biblical precedent is that even when God was smiting people left and right and miraculous shit was happening, people didn't listen to what He had to say any more than they do now. So this argument isn't gonna seem weak to true believers (and there are plenty around claiming to have been visited by angels and witness to miracles).
 
In my personal opinion the Beginning of Christianity was the Fall of Spirituality... This also goes for any organized religion. Religions require you to wear their name's like a sports team requires you to wear their jersey's.
 
rickolasnice said:
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This could just be lies to make Christianity seem more exclusive and the only true religion. I just assume 50% of the main religions are lies. They are just as much for controlling the population to achieve political means as imparting spiritual truths.

Once upon a time there were no TV or newspapers, etc. to condition people with. There was only the Bible and weekly Church service. But that doesn't mean parts of the Bible, like teachings of Christ that have been preserved can't be true.

You sound like the typical person who resent anything to do with Christianity because it has been forced upon them from they were too young for it and they feel it asks too much of them. So at the same time they rejected any truth in it and what Jesus had to teach. Well, if the authorities wanted to accomplish just that, how do you think they would go about it?

There is almost nothing about the way Christianity is taught that is attractive to the human psyche. i.e. you have to assume that is the desired reaction.

The laws of advertising and how to attract humans to something are well known.
 
I was never raised to be religious, actually ;)

I was given freedom to decide what I believed in. The only thing about religion I remember my parents saying was that she believed in Jesus.

So no, that's not why I dislike Christianity (/religion)..
 
I didn't mean "raised" as by family, I wasn't either. I meant raised as in culturally and through the school system which most growing up in the western world has been.

Either way, there is no possible way to proove where Jesus went or what he did before he started his teaching around 30, but he is frequently mentioned in the Quran and recognised by Muslims as a great prophet who was rejected by the Jews, and also shows up in Hindu scriptures.

I didn't like the idea of Jesus either, in fact I found the whole subject depressing, until I realised who he really was and could feel his presence and power through me. But it's not something you can describe in Words.
 
Well there are scriptures of his childhood.. namely The Infancy Scripture of Thomas and The Arabic Scripture of Infancy..

http://gnosis.org/library/inftoma.htm

and

http://www.gnosis.org/library/infarab.htm

When you consider the amount of contradictions and historical errors throughout the bible, the fact that all scriptures were written almost 100 years after Jesus was alive, and the picking and choosing, maybe even destroying, of scripture by religious leaders / kings with agendas.. How trustworthy could you consider them? Imo - Not at all.

And ok.. My primary school wasn't that religious (there were hymns, sure) and my high school wasn't at all.. I've never been religious.
 
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There's a difference between Jesus and Christianity. You seem to identify Jesus with Christianity while I see them as two very different things. I don't think much of Christianity, but I do have respect for Jesus. I believe he was a truly enlightened being who brought some of the greatest teachings to Earth, even if there are few of his words left in the Bible now, I think there still are a few that sounds like something he would have said.

But like I said, I believe the major religions are just as much about controlling the population and just assume 50% of it are lies. Then there must also be some truth to it as humans aren't THAT easy to fool, and I think also according to Divine Law. Anyway, I don't encourage anyone to just blindly accept or follow any religion but to question everything and think for yourself.

Also, learn to recognise the things that seem to reoccur in all religions and philosophical systems, and get some sense for the "truth vibration". But of course that is hard if you just reject and refuse to look at anything.
 
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