I haven't posted on Bluelight for a while but I thought I'd offer my limited experience regarding ethylphenidate.
Just a warning: this post goes on a lot longer than I initially intended. But the more I wrote down, the more everything just "made sense". You'll see.
PROLOGUE:
My stimulant experiences over the past few years have included: caffeine, ephedrine, adrafinil, modafinil, MDPV, dextroamphetamine, adderall, generic ritalin (methylphenidate) and most recently methiopropamine and ethylphenidate.
I have never tried cocaine or methamphetamine so I can't make any comparisons to those chemicals.
In late 2012 I purchased two different packages of ethylphenidate from a UK vendor.
Package #1 contained a fluffy, almost pure-white powder.
Package #2 contained a colourless, crystalline material. The crystals were quite small, but elongated and narrow.
I will give a quick summary on my ethylphenidate experiences below, especially with regards to the efficacy of different ROA's. Many references will be made to methylphenidate, since they are closely related.
Of course, my pharmacokinetics are not going to be the same as the next person, so like they say on the interwebs, "YMMV".
BTW, all drug measurements were made using a calibrated milligram scale. No treacherous "eyeballing" here.
Subject: Early 40's male. Weight 75kg (160lbs). Non-smoker, generally in good health. Frequent methylyphenidate user over the past 2 years so there may be some stim cross-tolerence.
EXPERIMENT #1: Ethylphenidate (crystal) via ORAL and RECTAL route
0830 The experiment begins.
I carefully weigh out 3 doses of EPH, at 6 / 10 / 15mg respectively. My resting heart rate is 72 BPM.
I take the 6mg orally, washing it down with water. Nasty stuff! Tastes absolutely horrible. The crystals seem to be harsh and somewhat corrosive, especially on the mucous membranes of the mouth. This must be the product that people were getting those nosebleeds from.
0855 Feeling OK, nothing significant to note. Perhaps a mild Ritalin-like signature. A bit of energy push in abdomen. Feel a bit more awake. Overall state is ~ +10% baseline.
0930 I decide this is terribly boring, so I try 15mg via plugging. The crystals are dissolved in 5ml of warm tap water and the syringe is inserted. I rest on the floor for a few minutes to see what might happen.
1100 Feeling quite energized, I'm in a good place, mood and energy levels are now +30 from baseline.
1300 I take the remainder of the 10mg ethylphenidate crystals orally with water.
The remainder of the day I resort to caffeine, and leave the ethylphenidate alone. The come-down is subtle. By evening the effects are pretty much gone. I consider the experiment to be moderately successful, but I'm still not that impressed with ethylphenidate in general.
EXPERIMENT #2: Ethylphenidate (crystals) via RECTAL (plugging)
0800 Strong coffee and a piece of toast for breakfast.
0900 Noting stronger pulse from the coffee. Resting HR is 85 BPM, up from typical 72 BPM resting.
1010 A solution of 5ml warm tap water and 20mg ethylphenidate is prepared and applied.
1017 Noticeable energy push, +20 from baseline.
1035 The effects of ethylphenidate are subtle but definitely there. My mood and energy levels feel about +20 above baseline. There is a distinct energy "signature" in my abdomen. My HR has gone up to 96 ... Feel slightly lightheaded but my mood is good.
1110 I go out and run some errands. I feel happy and energetic. I'm talkative and gregarious.
1122 Resting HR is 86, feel "OK" but not as happy as before. Maybe about +10 from baseline.
1150 Resting HR is 76, my mood has fallen again. Feeling about -10 from baseline now. Feeling slightly annoyed at random things around me.
1155 Back at home now. I decide to see if I can re-create the previous mental effect. I apply 20mg of ethylphenidate rectally.
1215 It occurs to me that part of my dysphoria could be caused by low blood sugar or early signs of dehydration. I make myself a small lunch, a soup and sandwich with a glass of juice. I feel better after eating. I think my blood sugar was low, but my hunger was masked by the stim effects. A mild crankiness is eliminated after eating. Feeling better now that I've had food.
1320 Resting HR is 86. A vague Ritalin-like signature is noted. It feels sort of like methylphenidate, but then again it's not. Mentally I feel a little confused. Very odd.
1325 Out of curiosity I have decided to ramp things up. I had read online that the bio-activity of ethylphenidate is subjectively not as powerful as methylphenidate. Perhaps my doses have been too low.
I carefully weigh out 38mg of the crystalline ethylphenidate, then dissolve in 7mL warm tap water. I note that the crystals do not dissolve quickly. Really not the same as methylphenidate in terms of dissolving ability. It takes a couple minutes of shaking the syringe to get the crystals fully into solution.
The syringe is applied, and I push the plunger. "Here I go!", I think ... preparing myself for a stimulant roller-coaster of some sort.
1330 Resting HR is 90, feeling a bit rushy. Fatigue is definitely lessened.
1332 Sigh. Wow. Good but weird feeling noted.
1355 Have a lot of mental energy, but feeling a bit wired and bit "odd". It's hard to describe, sort of like I have this "peppery" energy flowing through me. For some reason that seems to be the most apt word -- like black pepper. Mildly irritated. It's strange. Feeling flush, and I can feel my CV system under mild duress. I'm a little light headed, and I have a strong desire to lie down for a bit. Resting hr is 88. Not extreme, but significantly higher than normal.
Trying to do some work, get caught up on emails, but find I can't really focus. I just feel overly stimmed and my mental focus is scattered.
I am wondering if I have done too much? I don't know. The attributes of this chemical are strange. It's sort of like plugging methylphenidate but at the same time it feels very different. There isn't the same "feel good" component that methylphenidate gives me.
Now I'm sitting and trying again to check emails while sitting in my kitchen. Every couple of minutes I get a subtle pulsing in my head. It's like a crappy unwanted mini-head rush. Not enjoyable -- I am a tiny bit worried. Not sure if I should be concerned. Also feel like my cheeks are mildly flushed. I don't want to have a fucking stroke.
Energy level is otherwise raised about +30 and mood is stable and generally neutral. I definitely do not feel fatigued at all.
However some jitters and scattered thinking occurring. Although I have a lot of mental energy, I don't feel like my concentration is improved. The whole thing feels a little "wonky".
1415 Still have that "peppery" feeling in my head. God, it's weird. Maybe this Chinese-made stuff is toxic. Who knows. I could be having some kind of insane reaction to this chemical and doing irreparable harm to my body. Resting HR is 86. I feel like I'm enveloped in an intensely weird and wired feeling. Almost like drinking too much coffee, but with a patina of annoyance.
1435 Still feeling a little wonky. Generally OK, but ... weird. Not enjoyable.
Another observation: the ethylphendiate feels quite more-ish. I have a moderately strong urge to re-dose, even though the effects I'm feeling right now aren't totally pleasurable. I even contemplated 'vaping' but decided against it. At least I have a fragment of self-control left.
1600 Chemically-induced angst. Headache, vice-like feeling around my temples. I generally feel quite uncomfortable. Feeling somewhat wired and emotionally stunted. Although I'm wired, I find it takes effort to concentrate and act 'normal'. NOT PLEASANT. Wanting this feeling to go away. Flushed cheeks. Tightness at the back of my neck. Mild cardiovascular strain.
In dealing with other people it feels like I have to concentrate strongly in order to act "normal". My strongest desire is to just be left alone and lie down somewhere. Emotionally I feel very irritable. This really sucks. I can't be bothered to check my resting HR anymore. I just want this feeling to go away.
1630 Resting HR at 76. The angst / horrible feeling has greatly subsided, feeling mentally fatigued but otherwise OK. Still feeling irritable. Mild tinnitus noted (I get this from methylphenidate so the effect is familiar to me).
2130 Resting HR is 74. Feeling mentally exhausted. Tinnitus still present. I take 10mg of zolpidem and head to bed, grateful for this experience to be over.
EXPERIMENT #3: Ethylphenidate (powder) via NASAL ATOMIZER
It has now been about 10 days since my last encounter with ethylphenidate. The adverse reactions I had from that experience almost caused me to throw the ethylphendiate down the toilet.
That being said, I've never been one to learn quickly from experience -- or to exercise much self-control. So I decide to approach this ethylphenidate product once again, but this time from a different angle.
This time, I decide to try the other type of ethylphenidate I purchased: the white, fluffy powdery version, NOT the crystalline version.
Method: I obtain a nasal atomizer, the kind used for spraying a fine mist into the sinuses. These are commonly used by people who have sinus problems, or for saline wash. It has a small glass reservoir, with a plastic collar and a conical tip. The tip is inserted in the nose and you press down on the plastic collar -- a very fine atomized mist is produced.
I measure each pump of the mist, and determine one pump to equal 0.1 ml of solution.
100mg of ethylphenidate (powder NOT crystal) is carefully measured on the calibrated scale.
The reservoir of the pump is filled to capacity with warm tap water, giving a volume of 12 ml.
The ethylphenidate is dissolved in the water. The powder dissolves almost instantly -- this is much different than the crystal version of ethylphenidate I used earlier.
This "tek" produces a dose of about ~0.8 mg of ethylphenidate per pump. Note: I did this same "tek" previously with dissolved methylphenidate and it worked splendidly. Then I found I enjoyed it too much and stopped doing it. But that's another story.
The idea is to use the pump and apply 3-4 doses and see what happens. That would give a nasal dose of approximately 3-4 mg of ethylphenidate per application.
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0900 Breakfast of strong coffee and toast. HR is 80.
1115 The Atomizer is ready to go. I try a single pump up my right nostril. The 'smell' is very reminiscent of my experiments with aqueous methylphenidate, but slightly different -- less pungent, a little sweeter perhaps. But that same obtuse chemical smell is present. This subjectively tells me that the product is definitely a homologue of methylphenidate. I take this as a good sign.
There is no burn or discomfort. On that feature alone, this is an excellent ROA.
The effects are felt almost immediately -- in less than 60 seconds. It feels quite reminiscent of snorting Ritalin but smoother. A bit of a jittery feeling is noted (similar to coffee jitters) and I'm enjoying elevated mood -- a pleasant mental 'contentment' is noted. It's like a milder and more friendly version of Ritalin. I've previously thought that snorting methylphenidate produced a "good weird feeling". This is very similar, but seems a little gentler. Mild CV effects noted, resting HR is 80 but otherwise things are fine.
1130 Mood and energy lift +20, feeling good. Mentally I have determination to get things done today. Not feeling stimmed, just mildly energized.
I walk to work for a short 2-hour shift today. My internal dialog is concerned with comparing the differences between ethylphenidate and methylphenidate. In fact I seem to be obsessing about it. But to anyone that I might meet or talk to, I would seem completely sober.
1250 My mood is fine. I'm a regular Chatty Cathy with co-workers, but nothing unusual. I notice that the stimulant is masking a bit of hunger. I sit and have a small lunch. The food is fine, and I enjoy taking the time to eat, but I really don't have much hunger. When lunch is done, I ingest 2 more sprays. Instead of lounging around, I immediately continue with my work. On the way to my desk I stop and grab a medium-sized coffee.
1400 Finished work for now. Head to the WC. The coffee led to a huge BM and urination -- I feel like the caffeine caused a somewhat violent smooth muscle movement, and made me excessively diuretic. To be honest, the effects of the coffee are actually far less positive than the ethylphenidate!
1440 Back home now, resting on the couch. I am taking a few minutes to relax. The house is quiet and I feel content -- yet curious about the positive signals I received from the Atomizer.
I decide to try another spray session with the Atomizer. With some trepidation, I place the conical-shaped dispenser up my nose and push down on the plastic collar. Four good-sized sprays are dispensed, two in each nostril.
1442 I lie back on the couch, eyes closed. My legs and arms are limp and loosely arranged. As the ethylphenidate takes hold, I can feel my eyes involuntarily roll upwards behind my closed eyelids. A strong, dream-like euphoric feeling overwhelms me.
1445 Sweet Mary mother of Jesus. Oh. My. God. I remain silent, lying on the couch, consumed by a sensual, euphoric head space. I feel like I'm almost in another plane of consciousness.
1455 I return to Earth. As the peak subsides, I slowly open my eyes.
I don't know exactly what was different about this particular situation, but the four pumps really sent me into another dimension. The closest description I can think of is this: After I ingested the spray, I immediately had a desire to just lie back and relax my entire body. I closed my eyes and swam in an ocean of dream-like contentment and mild euphoria. It was absolutely exquisite. Words fail me -- I try to think of how to describe what that feeling was about, and I struggle to find words in the English language that would approximate what I was feeling over the past 10 minutes.
It was like a "fog" or a "forcefield" of pleasure that descended upon my consciousness, completely obliterating all thoughts and judgements about the outside world, my work, my responsibilities, the past-present-future continuity of my life: there was only the NOW. I was basking in the radiant other-worldly pleasure that was occurring to me at that instant. I could hear dogs barking outside, traffic going by, etc. But none of it really bothered me or concerned me. My entire being was infused with a sense of pleasure. The most satisfying thing for me was to just lie there and enjoy it.
1505 The initial "forcefield" effects have subsided, now I am feeling pretty functional again. I open my eyes, and reflect upon what just happened.
I decide that it's important that I prove to myself that I can be functional on this stim. I busy myself with domestic duties. I generally feel fine apart from a mild pressure behind my eyeballs and a low-level sense of being stimulated. CV effects are very muted, nothing significant. A slightly stronger heart beat is noted, but the actual heart rate hasn't changed much.
EPILOGUE:
Over the rest of the afternoon, two more nasal sessions are enjoyed with the Atomizer. The euphoria produced by the ethylphenidate is almost identical to methylphenidate, but strangely the come-down is MUCH smoother. There is also far less of a load on the cardiovascular system.
At the end of the evening, I take 5mg of zolpidem and go to bed. Normal sleep. I wake up the next day feeling a tad sluggish, but I have no regrets about the previous day's ethylphenidate experiment.
SUMMARY:
o The crystalline version of ethylphendiate was not enjoyable for me
o The powdered version of ethylphenidate was much more interesting and usuable
o Using the Atomizer to insufflate the ethylphenidate produced a much faster onset and a stronger, more enjoyable experience
Positives of the Atomizer:
. Very quick come-on, no nasal discomfort
. A desire to lie down, close one's eyes and simply relax
. Enjoyable tingling that travels down the arms and legs to my extremities (very enjoyable)
. A definite erotic / sensual component ... It is difficult to resist the temptation to masturbate. The touching of my own skin feels wonderful.
. A pleasing all-enveloping "fog" of mild euphoria that creates a temporary dream-like state, almost like an opiate high (?) -- a pleasurable stupor that lasts 5-10 minutes ... All other thoughts / worries have dissipated. Wow.
. Subtle waves of pleasure that wash over me, almost like the pleasure of sexual foreplay
. A pleasing tingling around my temples once the euphoria has subsided
. Stable mood plateau, no harsh come-down like methylphenidate
. Low body load -- HR has barely changed
. Increased energy
Neutral:
. Facial flushing
. vague feeling of pressure around my head
. Mild tinnitus
. Reduced appetite
Negatives of the Atomizer:
. Mild urge to re-dose, although this stuff isn't as moreish as other products I've tried
. moderately raised heart rate
. Critical thinking is somewhat diminished. I don't feel like I necessarily have better or more focused thought processes -- actually, feel somewhat more scattered mentally. But I still feel functional and not manic or tweaked.
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I think that the key to ethylphenidate is the ROA. Many people have complained about nasal damage from insufflation. From my experience I think that's due to the horrible characteristics of the crystalline version. I have insufflated the powdered version and it's much gentler. Atomization is even better -- no irritation whatsoever, and a much better experience overall.
In general, I think ethylphenidate is BETTER than methylphenidate, as long as the appropriate ROA is found. The come-down is much milder and the CV effects are much gentler. I also found that ethylphenidate (powdered form) did not produce mood swings or dysphoria.
Again, each individual would have to experiment to find what works for them. My success with the Atomizer may not produce the same results for other people.
I still do not have an idea of whether ethylphenidate (used orally) would be effective for study / work like methylphenidate can be. So far, I'd say no. Ethylphendiate is great for blasting your dopamine networks and sending you on a short-term journey. But methylphenidate is better as a study / work enhancement drug.
And of course, it is obvious, but I felt I should mention it anyway -- this is still an RC and should be treated with respect.
I submit this information in the interest of harm reduction. Hopefully some of this will be of use to people out there who are interested in the current state of the RC market. Be aware and take care of yourselves.
With ETH, it took some of the edgy jitteryness away.
![:\](https://bluelight.org/xf/BL_Images/Orig_Emoji/wrygrin.gif "wry grin :\")
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