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The Ethics of Research Chemicals

EarthBounded

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This thread is a spin-off from the Drugs Inc thread found here: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/669254-National-Geographic-DRUGS-INC-filming-in-San-Francisco

The subject is related to the "Ethics of NBOMe availability Thread" found here: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/619374-Ethics-of-25x-NBOMe-availability


[original post:]


TryptamineBunny,

To be fair, IMHO the 'designer drugs' episode was far far more biased than any of the other Drugs Inc. I've seen. I'm pretty sure I've seen all the episodes and the designer drugs episode was absolute shit. The users were so stupid and uninformed. The episode ended with a kid saying "I know legal highs are safer because they're legal"...wtf...

The newer episodes seem to be better and less biased. Anyway I'm nowhere near San Francisco.


Exactly most RC users are- stupid and uninformed ( I am talking about the general public, who is honestly completely uninformed ) Thank god there is a national show showing the dangers. They are having briefings in the US military right now because soldiers are slaughtering there families high on mephedrone and related compounds ( and thats not from a show, that is direct from soliders at fort louis ). The show also shows where the standard buyers money is going. It seems we are all just drug snobs of course the show has no chance at being as educated as us and the main problem is we are too fucking paranoid to show our faces around that shit so they are getting most of there facts from law enforcement it is not 100% biased though.

It also addresses the fact users are forced into RCs because of drug testing.
I could go on about the positive attributes as well as the negative however this is one of the only shows addressing all drugs worldwide.

I would say send in your concerns and facts not bash someone asking for people like us who could make a difference on the show.

I know legal highs are safer because they're legal"...wtf... Im pretty sure that was sarcasm from the producers showing what people actually think. The show did not for one minute claim that legal highs were safer.
 
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It seems we are all just drug snobs of course the show has no chance at being as educated as us and the main problem is we are too fucking paranoid to show our faces around that shit so they are getting most of there facts from law enforcement it is not 100% biased though.

Talk for yourself. Some of us here are academics, researchers and involved in other out-in-the-open activities which directly challenge prohibition and the moral panic surrounding the phrase "drugs". This demonisation is entirely geopolitical in nature and unintentionally propagated by the sensationalist media (Drugs Inc being a case in point), as pawns in a game run by the military industrial complex.

Might I suggest earthbounded, that you seem to be intent on creating your own moral panic around an equally arbitrary and ambiguous phrase: "RC". Could it be that you are also an unintentional pawn, working in the interests of the LSD syndicates?

Note: I have linked through to the Wikipedia article on moral panic as it has a rather specific meaning that you might or might not be aware of.

I also sincerely hope that a team of dedicated researchers on a high budget show like Drugs Inc know more about the subject than the average bluelight user!
 
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Could it be that you are also an unintentional pawn, working in the interests of the LSD syndicates?

No, I dont get what you dont see, I do not argue with your academics when it comes to RC by all means get the facts out there, however these should stay out of the hands of the recreational user until further studied. I am against those profiting off of an un researched compound, where the risk for the users is much higher.

LSD is not the only drug I approve of, Most researched compounds and "drugs" that have been around for 50+ years You will find me advocating for even if I am against them, doctors have more information on treating overdoses and post-symptoms, and users have a better knowledge of the risks. Users are going to use hopefully we can guide them in the correct direction.

Plus I see you recommend 25i-Nbomne all the time as it is killing young kids? And your harping on me?

I wish you could come to my city for one week and see how RCs hurt our youth and community... And how the epidemic will spread.

I fully approve of Blue light and what everyone is doing here with research, however the recommendations seem pretty poor and usually are a chemical that was released to the public within 5-10 years with limited to no research, just because something gets you high and is readily available does not mean we should advocate for it until all the facts are laid out.

I was simply stating the show shows some positives and some negatives. You cannot convince me for one second that Drugs inc is completely uninformed and biased. Honestly unless the producers just start using every fucking drug they wont be as knowledgeable as us we all have first hand experience.

I think everyone here will argue the show should continue with proper info. If that is the case contact the producers I am guessing they will listen if enough of us do.

However if you think all the info should be kept in the dark at this current moment in time that is just ridiculous.

Talk for yourself. Some of us here are academics, researchers and involved in other out-in-the-open activities which directly challenge prohibition and the moral panic surrounding the phrase "drugs"

I will , I do not despise your knowledge

However I am here to help prevent death and destruction within the community.

I was simply saying there are benefits to the show, and it would be like the OP posting in some car forum for a show about cars, it would probably be a bunch of snobs that think they can do better. The only option instead of complaining is directly contacting producers with facts and compromising. Im guessing a multi million dollar firm is going to keep that show going so the only way to help change it is get involved.

Plus why would DAVID E. NICHOLS appear on such a poor show?

He is a profound scientist and advocate.

I also sincerely hope that a team of dedicated researchers on a high budget show like Drugs Inc know more about the subject than the average bluelight user!

That is completely ignorant to say. It seems you just cant handle any criticism to the drug world, its funny you must not know many real players, alot of lords at the top of the chain are against exactly what you preach.

This is a global issue effecting Billions, Blue light does not have that reach. Drugs inc does and there not just gonna turn off the program if they do another will spring up so get involved. Maybe instead of recommending RCs to people all day try sitting down and writing a letter to the producer.

I was just bothered and surprised at how many poor comments the op received, it seemed to be ignorant talk.

There are two sides to everything people. If you sit there and preach for full legalization of everything you are just wasting your time and energy and have no idea what you are talking about.
 
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^ I doubt I recommend 25i. I really don't like it very much. In fact I would say it's the least favourite of the 5 NBOMe's I have tried.
 
Personally I think that being against the use of Research Chemicals does not help anyone because they are being developed, they are being spreaded and they are being used. No amount of idealism will stop that. Some people want to experiment for a multitude of reasons and others want to make money - these people will find each other.
As long as they are I think it is good that we help each other keep track of what effects and side-effects they produce and what dangers and risk they pose. I guess it is an ongoing debate whether that justifies indirectly promoting and reinforcing the use itself. But I believe history has shown us that repression does more harm than good, and going against use is in practice mostly futile, naieve or ignorant.

If you don't want to put them in your body, that is your business. But denying the above is something else. BL has a harm reduction mission and while the board is not censoring opinions but only misconduct, standing up against something we stand for (which is, again, if I can point that out, not that we want to promote the use of Research Chemicals but support and focus on sharing information on the use that exists) is in my opinion wasting time and energy in vain.

But, I do think it is very good that some of the more sensitive materials are kept out of the direct public (invite only status, or they require special application). I would like to see more of that happening.

I don't necessarily need to have the last word, but if we could swerve back to the topic.. that would be appreciated.
(On the other hand I think direct reactions to the OP are limited, but still, there are different gradations of drifting off)
 
Good post, Solipsis. One observation though: the OP was a hit-and-run poster, so there's really not much more to add to the thread, imo.
 
I guess so too but I am fine with discussing the show in general for now... then again this is not really the forum for it, so let's see it dangle for a little bit and close when we have to. (I mean, it is not really a bad thread IMO and a good part of it is on-topic and indirectly PD related)
Thanks for both the nice feedback and the observation.
 
I guess so too but I am fine with discussing the show in general for now... then again this is not really the forum for it, so let's see it dangle for a little bit and close when we have to. (I mean, it is not really a bad thread IMO and a good part of it is on-topic and indirectly PD related)

In that case can we split the thread as this debate is an important one? There are plenty of people who take substances which may or may not fall in to the arbitrary category of 'RC' because they genuinely prefer them to more established substances, not because they can't find an alternative. That's difinitely the case with me and NBOMe's.

When does a 'RC' become a 'non-RC'? When it's adequately researched? Who is doing that research? We are!
 
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