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The Ethics of Drug Dealing

If you let it be known you're in possession of said addictive/destructive chemicals and don't hound people to purchase, then you're basically just providing a product for people to buy
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But it's not like they have no preference either way- they want the custom, and they are willing people to buy from them whether they actively "push" or not.

CCA9, no-one's going to edit your posts for you, but it's spelled "integrity". I presume you know that pls and tho are wrong...
 
^ users have to take some responsibility for their 50% of the equation, too, don't they?

i guess i'm continuing to struggling with this "people should be allowed to buy drugs but people who sell drugs are evil". to me, that just doesn't add up.

alasdair
 
i guess i'm continuing to struggling with this "people should be allowed to buy drugs but people who sell drugs are evil". to me, that just doesn't add up
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It's not just that; it's "people should be allowed to sell drugs but people who sell drugs are evil"- i.e. people should be allowed to make the wrong choice. It's a matter of not imposing your beliefs on others, but rather allowing them to be independent moral agents.
By the way, I don't think drug dealers are evil. I think it's irrelevant- that my beliefs on the matter do not justify my interference with other people's actions.

Am I correct in believing that you are of the opinion that all immoral actions should be proscribed alisdairm?
 
Yerg said:
I think it's irrelevant- that my beliefs on the matter do not justify my interference with other people's actions.
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which goes the heart of the matter. in practice, your beliefs on the matter are meaningless...
Yerg said:
Am I correct in believing that you are of the opinion that all immoral actions should be proscribed alisdairm?
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not at all. for me, moral and immoral are in the eye of the beholder and, from a practical point of view, the distinction is meaningless.

alasdair
 
which goes the heart of the matter. in practice, your beliefs on the matter are meaningless
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I disagree- I can try to convince people of the immorality of their actions, and shape behaviour in that way. In addition, my moral beliefs can certainly dictate my own behaviour, and I don't think that's meaningless at all. I guess that's what we're trying to establish here- whether I think it is moral for me to deal drugs (I phrased that in an egocentric way I know).
I guess I'll try to illustrate with another example. If someone thought it wrong for women to smoke and drink when they know they are pregnant, that person could condemn that behaviour, and try to convince others not to do it, without imposing a coercive penalty.
 
Yes I certainly can. I didn't mean that we ought not attempt to influence the choices other people make; I meant that we ought not to do it in a coercive way. By "interference", I meant forcing them to do things to which they do not consent.
 
its all based on perception of the individual. Theirs positives and negatives. My opinion is that selling drugs is just a business. Like other business'. When large organisations have the chance to maximise profits and sacrifice the wellbeing of another organisation/individual i would consider this worse then dealing. Drugs can be gotten from numerous sources. Selling them is merely providing an income. Ford cars sold a car that was unsafe in the 70's and estimated the loss of lifes into their profit forecast, where they could of spent a tiny bit more, and saved the lifes of the enginge exploding however it would wield a lesser return so they didn't. Their are many other examples, and those who get to thetop of any industry are often ruthless. Small time peddling is similiar to organisations. Their may be some serious shit happening up the top, but your just doing your job and playing nicely while either oblivious or aware but unable to do anything about it.
 
It sounds like you've been getting your drugs from unprofessional dealors or using middle manning drugs..

I wouldn't sell drugs mainly cause its not worth the legal hassles if you get caught..

But I wouldnt sell cocaine/amphetamines/crack or meth, because I think these drugs are inherently unsustainable and have nasty side effects on the body and brain.. eg. psychosis, heart attacks, strokes, etc..

Opiates, heroin,oxy, etc are somewhat sustainable, fairly safe if you have a decent tolerence and know the potentcy of your batch, not too hard on the body other than occasional constipation, nausea in the beginning, and dont promote hostility, violence, and general crack-headed activity that seems to inherently come with hardcore uppers..

I think pot, benzos, opiates, psychedelics, ketamine, and most rcs should be legal.. IDK about the uppers tho.. I just cant imagaine people using them normally, I hope I'm not being a substance bigot here. I guess I'm divided.


Would all you tweakers and cokeheads just switch to heroin/pot/psychedelics and call it a day if they were legal and widely available? lol just so i dont feel bad?
 
I hope I'm not being a substance bigot here
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I'm afraid that's how it comes across. Surely if people can be trusted to use fentanyl and xanax responsibly they can handle a bit of Ritalin?
 
many use stims as prescribed. i wouldn't do that but it should be a choice if someone is to be able to direct their own medical and personal life

how about poisons? oh yeah those aren't bad anyway, we use them on rats and ants. funny we can buy drugs to kill but can't buy drugs to increase oxytocin/empathy/love
 
I cant say they shouldnt be legal.. but I couldn't ethiclly sell coke/meth/amps/crack to anyone even if they were legal.
 
No, it isn't unethical to deal drugs and it's not unethical to push drugs either - no moreso than any advertising campaign. Isn't that what "pushing" all about - advertising? Are Levi Jeans company "pushing" you to buy their jeans by having sexy models on TV wearing their jeans? Is that ethical? Is any manipulation of the target audience ethical?

In any event, the people to whom drugs should be marketed (e.g., people who have demonstrated an ability to think with long term consequences in mind; not children) are smart enough to do their own research and decide if they want to use nicotine, heroin, or marijuana and if they don't do research then it's their own problem.
 
Hmm I don't really have an ethical problem with drug dealing per se, but it is kind of a broad topic.

If someone opens a smoke shop and sells fresh tobacco that they grew themselves then I don't see that as a problem, it's completely ethical. Pure supply and demand IMO.

When greedy big tobacco goes and adds all sorts of shit to their cigarettes to make them extra-addictive, that is unethical.

So it really depends, someone selling weed on the side to put themselves through college is a lot different than some gang-banger selling crack to high school kids and doing drive-bys on anyone that gets in their way.

The libertarian in me says to make everything legal, and the regulations should only be for purity and to keep those under 18 off drugs.

If that were the case then the stupid drug war would go away and there would be tons and tons of tax revenue, purity would never be a problem, and addicts could have unlimited free rehab from some of the tax revenue that would be generated. But unfortunately that isn't ever going to happen, too many people profit from the drug war and it is a big smokescreen for money flow.
 
When greedy big tobacco goes and adds all sorts of shit to their cigarettes to make them extra-addictive, that is unethical.
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What addictive additives are in cigarettes? There's a lot of nasty chemicals in there for sire for sure, but the nicotine is what's addictive.
 
Drug dealers are heroic to me. I don't care if they're pushing coke for the CIA, they're still taking risks to provide users with the highs they desire. There's nothing morally wrong with using drugs, or being addicted to drugs. What possible argument could one make to demonstrate that drug use of any kind is "wrong"?
 
Yerg said:
What addictive additives are in cigarettes? There's a lot of nasty chemicals in there for sire for sure, but the nicotine is what's addictive.
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Well a smoker I know has gone into great detail about it with me. Personally tobacco isn't a drug I find interesting and so I haven't done a lot of the research for myself. But it is unsurprising.

Just like how fast food companies use certain cooking oils and fats that are highly addictive. I've done the research on that and it is true, but they chemicals they add are apparently legal in the corrupt system we have. I know for me at least I try to always avoid fast food but on the occasions when I eat it I find myself having cravings and withdrawal symptoms from it.
 
Coolio said:
Drug dealers are heroic to me. I don't care if they're pushing coke for the CIA, they're still taking risks to provide users with the highs they desire. There's nothing morally wrong with using drugs, or being addicted to drugs. What possible argument could one make to demonstrate that drug use of any kind is "wrong"?
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Well I can agree to a point, but only if they're giving people what they really want and everyone's on the up-and-up.

But if they're just shady opportunists with no regard for human life who will sell one chem as another chem or cut their shit to make it more addictive or less potent or whatever I have a problem with it. Like I have a problem with people selling E pills that are just pipes and/or meth but claiming that they're MDMA.

The problem with illicit drugs is that there are no controls for quality or purity or even getting the chem you think you're getting. The other problem is that distribution can lead to violence in various forms. Both of those problems get solved quickly by legalization.

So it just depends, when it comes to the op's question I think that there are ethical dealers and unethical dealers, but the same can be said for many different trades and industries. So it's a bit too black and white for me to try to say that drug dealing in general is good or bad because it's too broad of a topic. But I will say some of the drug dealers I've bought from have been nicer and more genuine than most people.
 
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