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Here are excerpts taken from a journal of a friend of mine who used Low Dose Ibogaine and Memantine to overcome an opiate addiction and the terrible withdraws that come with it. I hope it helps others that are dealing with the horror of addiction and the hell of opiate withdraw. There is hope!
A quick background of my friend. I'll refer to him as "Bob".
Bob started an addiction to pain pills (vicoden, oxy, Opana) about 2 years ago. It went from a few vicodens a day and progressed to about 120-180 mgs of oxycodone per day. Bob got to the point of taking his last dose around 7:00 at night, then waking up around 2:30 in the morning in withdraws...cold sweats, restless legs and just that in ability to fall asleep without another fix. His motivation to work or get anything productive done was gone. His relationships suffered greatly and his life revolved around finding a way to get his next fix.
He thought about Suboxone treatment, but didn't want to trade one addiction for another. As many people know, coming off Suboxone is almost as painful as withdrawing from other opiates...something the Suboxone Doctors don't like to tell you.
This is when he started studying Ibogaine and Memantine. While Ibogaine is illegal in the USA and Memantine is very hard to get a prescription for, as most doctors have little sympathy for opiate addicts, especially when they aren't going to be making much money prescribing Memantine. They push suboxone because this ensures the doctor will keep you coming back and paying your hard earned money to them.
Both Ibogaine and Memantine can be found online, without a prescription, from reliable sources if you search hard enough. The Ibogaine used in Bob's experiment was the HCL form. It comes in 3 forms, HCL, TA and Root Bark. The best and most potent of the 3 is the HCL.
Bob started by cutting down his dose of oxy from 180 mgs to around 100 mgs per day. This was not enough to get him high, but enough to keep him out of withdraws.
Day 1: After receiving his Ibogaine and Memantine, he begain first thing in the morning, before taking any oxy, by taking a 5 mg of Memantine and about 30mgs of Ibogaine HCL on an empty stomach. This was to test and see if he had any allergies or adverse reactions to them. A slight stimulant effect was noticed from the Ibogaine and no real effect was noticed from the Memantine. 3 hours after, Bob took his usual doses of oxy throughout the day. No real changes where noticed.
•VERY IMPORTANT...be sure to wait at least 3 hours after taking Ibogaine before taking ANY opiate. Everyone is different and it's possible that the potentiating effects of Ibogaine could cause an overdose of whatever opiate you take. Until you know how this effects you, start with taking half of your usual opiate dose 3 hours after the Ibogaine and assess the results. Please be careful!
Day 2: Bob upped the dose of Ibogaine to 50 mgs first thing in the morning on an empty stomach. He also took 5 mgs of Memantine in the morning and another 5 in the evening. The Oxy was taken as usual.
This went on for 5 more days. Bob was still waking up in withdraws in the middle of the night for this first week but did notice they weren't nearly as bad.
Week 2:
Bob upped his dose to 100 mgs of Ibogaine first thing in the morning on an empty stomach along with the 5 mgs of Memantine in the morning and another 5 mgs in the evening. The Ibogaine definatly produced a stimulant effect and a very mild "Trippy" feeling that lasted about 2 hours. It was not uncomfortable and allowed Bob to still function normally.
By the end of the 2nd week, Bob was sleeping through the night with absolutely NO withdraw feelings waking him up. The Oxy was also slightly more potent. He also noticed that rather than having to take a morning dose of oxy, he could wait until around 2-3:00 in the afternoon before even the slightest feeling of withdraw would begin. This was amazing considering just 2 weeks earlier, Bob couldn't go more than 8-10 hours without having terrible withdraws. He was now able to go 17-20 hours before even the slightest withdraws started.
Week 3:
This week, Bob decided to take a larger dose of Ibogaine for 2 days in a row. He had off work on Monday and Tuesday so decided to take advantage of it.
Bob woke up on Monday and took 250 mgs of Ibogaine HCL with his normal 5 mg Memantine. This caused a bit more of a Trippy feeling that lasted about 3-5 hours. It wasn't uncomfortable, just not something you should drive on at this dose. Memantine at 5 mgs was taken as usual that evening.
Tuesday Bob followed the same protocol as Monday.
By Wednesday, Bobs brain felt completely reset. The cravings for opiates were gone. He took 30 mgs of oxy Wednesday but just for fun...not out of a feeling of needing it or physical dependency.
Thursday, Bob continued to take Ibogaine but at a much lower dose...just 20 mgs first thing in the morning. He also took NO OPIATES AT ALL on this day. This is the first time in almost 2 years Bob as taken no opiate of any kind. He noticed slight chills that night but was able to fall back asleep with no real problem. He stopped all opiates for another 3 days just to be sure the the physical dependency was gone. I'm pleased to say it was. He had a fairly sever headache on day 2 but that was quickly remedied with 2 Excedrine Migraine pills.
Bob continued to take 20-50 mgs of Ibogaine and 5-10 mgs of Memantine for the next 2 weeks. He took an average of 1, 30mg oxycodone pill every other day. Each time was at a dose of 30 mgs of oxy. This was again, just for fun and not out of a feeling of physical dependancy. I know you maybe asking why not just quit completely. According to Bob, he likes the ability to relax with an occasional opiate as opposed to a beer like most of us. Whether that's a good idea or not, at least it doesn't control his life anymore and he isn't physically dependent on opiates to function...each to his/her own I guess.
The strange thing was that while Bob's physical dependency for opiates was almost completely gone, he still required 30 mgs of oxycodone to get any kind of a high. One would expect tolerance to go down, requiring less oxy to get a buzz or get high. This was not the case with Bob but everyone is different.
In conclusion, it seems that their may be a way to completely avoid the horror of opiate withdraw, even with a fairly high tolerance and addiction. Everyone says that there's no magic bullet to cure withdraws...but after reading and seeing Bobs experience first hand, I would have to disagree. In just 5 weeks Bob went from a 2 year, 180 mg plus per day oxycodone addiction, down to absolutely no physical dependence at all. He did this with NO withdraws and even continued to take the occasional oxy for fun when we wanted.
Warning and Disclaimer:
It would be irresponsible of me to suggest that this method of over coming opiate withdraw is for everyone. It's not. Before considering it, you must do your own research about the side effects of both Ibogaine and Memantine. Ibogaine should not be used by anyone with a pre-existing liver or heart problem. It should also not be taken in the evening as it is a stimulant. A thorough search of drug interactions, specifically with Memantine should also be done. Neither Bob nor myself are doctors so this information should be used for recreational reasons only and NOT taken as medical advice.
I'd be happy to answer any questions as best I can. But to all those who are trapped in the hell of opiate addiction, there is hope. It's not cheap but it's certainly cheaper than a daily opiate addiction and much cheaper than any Suboxone treatment clinic.
I truly hope this helps someone. I saw it change my friend Bob's life first hand. I also believe it can be accomplished in less time than what it took Bob. If your motivated, I think one could over come opiate addiction with little to no withdraws in as little as 3 weeks.
If your willing to put yourself through a full "Flood Dose" of Ibogaine, one could even avoid opiate withdraw and overcome their physical addiction in 24-36 hours. This would not be what i would recomend however as the Flood Dose Trip can be VERY intense and possibly very dangerous. Unless you are in perfect medical condition AND have a care giver/babysitter to stay with you for the entire trip, I would strongly advise against it. I beleive the low dose treatment option over a period of 2-5 weeks is the best and safest method to take.
It also must be noted that while Ibogaine and Memantine will get you through the physical addiction and withdraws fairly painlessly, the mental addiction will still be there. That said, it's very important to follow up with a support group of some kind...NA and/or AA meetings are very helpful and increase your chances of success in the long run greatly!
Having been through my own addictions and seen many others ruin their lives because of addiction, I understand the hell and shame of a downward spiral substance abuse can lead to. So when I find a method that works as well as the Low Dose Ibogaine/Memantine method, I get excited because I know it can change lives and heal those that are willing to be helped. Being a slave to a substance is no way to live and an easy way to die.
To all those that are struggling with opiate addiction...I'm here to tell you there's hope and a way to minimize if not completely eliminate the horrible opiate withdraws. All you need to do is decide to take that leap of faith! ;-)
A quick background of my friend. I'll refer to him as "Bob".
Bob started an addiction to pain pills (vicoden, oxy, Opana) about 2 years ago. It went from a few vicodens a day and progressed to about 120-180 mgs of oxycodone per day. Bob got to the point of taking his last dose around 7:00 at night, then waking up around 2:30 in the morning in withdraws...cold sweats, restless legs and just that in ability to fall asleep without another fix. His motivation to work or get anything productive done was gone. His relationships suffered greatly and his life revolved around finding a way to get his next fix.
He thought about Suboxone treatment, but didn't want to trade one addiction for another. As many people know, coming off Suboxone is almost as painful as withdrawing from other opiates...something the Suboxone Doctors don't like to tell you.
This is when he started studying Ibogaine and Memantine. While Ibogaine is illegal in the USA and Memantine is very hard to get a prescription for, as most doctors have little sympathy for opiate addicts, especially when they aren't going to be making much money prescribing Memantine. They push suboxone because this ensures the doctor will keep you coming back and paying your hard earned money to them.
Both Ibogaine and Memantine can be found online, without a prescription, from reliable sources if you search hard enough. The Ibogaine used in Bob's experiment was the HCL form. It comes in 3 forms, HCL, TA and Root Bark. The best and most potent of the 3 is the HCL.
Bob started by cutting down his dose of oxy from 180 mgs to around 100 mgs per day. This was not enough to get him high, but enough to keep him out of withdraws.
Day 1: After receiving his Ibogaine and Memantine, he begain first thing in the morning, before taking any oxy, by taking a 5 mg of Memantine and about 30mgs of Ibogaine HCL on an empty stomach. This was to test and see if he had any allergies or adverse reactions to them. A slight stimulant effect was noticed from the Ibogaine and no real effect was noticed from the Memantine. 3 hours after, Bob took his usual doses of oxy throughout the day. No real changes where noticed.
•VERY IMPORTANT...be sure to wait at least 3 hours after taking Ibogaine before taking ANY opiate. Everyone is different and it's possible that the potentiating effects of Ibogaine could cause an overdose of whatever opiate you take. Until you know how this effects you, start with taking half of your usual opiate dose 3 hours after the Ibogaine and assess the results. Please be careful!
Day 2: Bob upped the dose of Ibogaine to 50 mgs first thing in the morning on an empty stomach. He also took 5 mgs of Memantine in the morning and another 5 in the evening. The Oxy was taken as usual.
This went on for 5 more days. Bob was still waking up in withdraws in the middle of the night for this first week but did notice they weren't nearly as bad.
Week 2:
Bob upped his dose to 100 mgs of Ibogaine first thing in the morning on an empty stomach along with the 5 mgs of Memantine in the morning and another 5 mgs in the evening. The Ibogaine definatly produced a stimulant effect and a very mild "Trippy" feeling that lasted about 2 hours. It was not uncomfortable and allowed Bob to still function normally.
By the end of the 2nd week, Bob was sleeping through the night with absolutely NO withdraw feelings waking him up. The Oxy was also slightly more potent. He also noticed that rather than having to take a morning dose of oxy, he could wait until around 2-3:00 in the afternoon before even the slightest feeling of withdraw would begin. This was amazing considering just 2 weeks earlier, Bob couldn't go more than 8-10 hours without having terrible withdraws. He was now able to go 17-20 hours before even the slightest withdraws started.
Week 3:
This week, Bob decided to take a larger dose of Ibogaine for 2 days in a row. He had off work on Monday and Tuesday so decided to take advantage of it.
Bob woke up on Monday and took 250 mgs of Ibogaine HCL with his normal 5 mg Memantine. This caused a bit more of a Trippy feeling that lasted about 3-5 hours. It wasn't uncomfortable, just not something you should drive on at this dose. Memantine at 5 mgs was taken as usual that evening.
Tuesday Bob followed the same protocol as Monday.
By Wednesday, Bobs brain felt completely reset. The cravings for opiates were gone. He took 30 mgs of oxy Wednesday but just for fun...not out of a feeling of needing it or physical dependency.
Thursday, Bob continued to take Ibogaine but at a much lower dose...just 20 mgs first thing in the morning. He also took NO OPIATES AT ALL on this day. This is the first time in almost 2 years Bob as taken no opiate of any kind. He noticed slight chills that night but was able to fall back asleep with no real problem. He stopped all opiates for another 3 days just to be sure the the physical dependency was gone. I'm pleased to say it was. He had a fairly sever headache on day 2 but that was quickly remedied with 2 Excedrine Migraine pills.
Bob continued to take 20-50 mgs of Ibogaine and 5-10 mgs of Memantine for the next 2 weeks. He took an average of 1, 30mg oxycodone pill every other day. Each time was at a dose of 30 mgs of oxy. This was again, just for fun and not out of a feeling of physical dependancy. I know you maybe asking why not just quit completely. According to Bob, he likes the ability to relax with an occasional opiate as opposed to a beer like most of us. Whether that's a good idea or not, at least it doesn't control his life anymore and he isn't physically dependent on opiates to function...each to his/her own I guess.
The strange thing was that while Bob's physical dependency for opiates was almost completely gone, he still required 30 mgs of oxycodone to get any kind of a high. One would expect tolerance to go down, requiring less oxy to get a buzz or get high. This was not the case with Bob but everyone is different.
In conclusion, it seems that their may be a way to completely avoid the horror of opiate withdraw, even with a fairly high tolerance and addiction. Everyone says that there's no magic bullet to cure withdraws...but after reading and seeing Bobs experience first hand, I would have to disagree. In just 5 weeks Bob went from a 2 year, 180 mg plus per day oxycodone addiction, down to absolutely no physical dependence at all. He did this with NO withdraws and even continued to take the occasional oxy for fun when we wanted.
Warning and Disclaimer:
It would be irresponsible of me to suggest that this method of over coming opiate withdraw is for everyone. It's not. Before considering it, you must do your own research about the side effects of both Ibogaine and Memantine. Ibogaine should not be used by anyone with a pre-existing liver or heart problem. It should also not be taken in the evening as it is a stimulant. A thorough search of drug interactions, specifically with Memantine should also be done. Neither Bob nor myself are doctors so this information should be used for recreational reasons only and NOT taken as medical advice.
I'd be happy to answer any questions as best I can. But to all those who are trapped in the hell of opiate addiction, there is hope. It's not cheap but it's certainly cheaper than a daily opiate addiction and much cheaper than any Suboxone treatment clinic.
I truly hope this helps someone. I saw it change my friend Bob's life first hand. I also believe it can be accomplished in less time than what it took Bob. If your motivated, I think one could over come opiate addiction with little to no withdraws in as little as 3 weeks.
If your willing to put yourself through a full "Flood Dose" of Ibogaine, one could even avoid opiate withdraw and overcome their physical addiction in 24-36 hours. This would not be what i would recomend however as the Flood Dose Trip can be VERY intense and possibly very dangerous. Unless you are in perfect medical condition AND have a care giver/babysitter to stay with you for the entire trip, I would strongly advise against it. I beleive the low dose treatment option over a period of 2-5 weeks is the best and safest method to take.
It also must be noted that while Ibogaine and Memantine will get you through the physical addiction and withdraws fairly painlessly, the mental addiction will still be there. That said, it's very important to follow up with a support group of some kind...NA and/or AA meetings are very helpful and increase your chances of success in the long run greatly!
Having been through my own addictions and seen many others ruin their lives because of addiction, I understand the hell and shame of a downward spiral substance abuse can lead to. So when I find a method that works as well as the Low Dose Ibogaine/Memantine method, I get excited because I know it can change lives and heal those that are willing to be helped. Being a slave to a substance is no way to live and an easy way to die.
To all those that are struggling with opiate addiction...I'm here to tell you there's hope and a way to minimize if not completely eliminate the horrible opiate withdraws. All you need to do is decide to take that leap of faith! ;-)
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