The EADD Metathread - "HR approach to dangerous drugs" branch

[Josh]

I actually do feel that hard drugs are politely discouraged here to an extent. And besides, it's better people who are addicted or whatnot to feel they are able to be open and honest about their use on here, as this facilitates advice and HR in itself. In short, I think the balance is right, and it's unfair to blame any deaths recent or otherwise on lack of HR on here, plenty people who aren't on BL are dying too y'know?

 

[knock]

I actually do feel that hard drugs are politely discouraged here to an extent. And besides, it's better people who are addicted or whatnot to feel they are able to be open and honest about their use on here, as this facilitates advice and HR in itself. In short, I think the balance is right, and it's unfair to blame any deaths recent or otherwise on lack of HR on here, plenty people who aren't on BL are dying too y'know?

This is a very good point :D Any forum will have deaths. If we were a skydiving forum, would it be correct of us to tell everyone to stop skydiving?

 

[Hangover]

You cannot stop me from skydiving!!!!!... never!!, better than drugs!

 

[gayorstraight]

I actually do feel that hard drugs are politely discouraged here to an extent. And besides, it's better people who are addicted or whatnot to feel they are able to be open and honest about their use on here, as this facilitates advice and HR in itself. In short, I think the balance is right, and it's unfair to blame any deaths recent or otherwise on lack of HR on here, plenty people who aren't on BL are dying too y'know?

This is a very good point :D Any forum will have deaths. If we were a skydiving forum, would it be correct of us to tell everyone to stop skydiving?

Skydiving doesn't fuck with chemical balances in the brain which can cause depression which can cause suicide etc

 

[swampdragon]

Or you could say that skydiving forums also tend to have older posters that aren't the 20-something demographic that's prone to suicide.

But since the subject's been brought up.. is there anything that can be done to be more supportive around suicidal folk? I generally don't have much of a clue about what to say in that situation, but wish I could help more.

 

[knock]

GoS, my point is about risky behaviour, not effect on the brain. And just life in general, that's a terminal disease.

But since the subject's been brought up.. is there anything that can be done to be more supportive around suicidal folk? I generally don't have much of a clue about what to say in that situation, but wish I could help more.

I can only speak from my own experience, as having been suicidal last year. BL, EADD especially, what I mean is you lot, and those no longer around, have been helpful just by being there, somewhere I can talk about things I can't talk about anywhere else. And for cheering me up.

However for me suicide wasn't so much about what my online interactions were like, so much as my hopes for the future or rather the absence of them. And the losses I suffered in real life. We can try to talk about that stuff, but in the end hope, or better opportunity, actually needs to exist, in real life. And losses, well, what can you do about losses except replace them, or get used to them.

We have The Dark Side. I do not know how useful that is. It certainly never attracted me at my lowest points.

 

[Ismene]

I've always been a psychedelic man myself but I have lots of empathy for the Lenny Bruce "I'll die young but it's like kissing god" approach.

 

[One Thousand Words]

I'm pretty sure they would ground the planes and start questioning why people are dying if there was a spike in skydiving deaths.

 

[knock]

Skydivers die regularly.

PHOENIX — A group of 200 skydivers plans to return to the skies over Arizona on Wednesday to pursue world records despite the death of two divers Tuesday, a member of the group said.

"This is one of those things we have to face with the sport, the chance of injury," said skydiver Andrew Barker.

The skydivers died Tuesday after colliding in midair near Eloy, police said. The crash took place at Skydive Arizona, which operates out of Eloy Municipal Airport, about 60 miles south of Phoenix.

Witnesses said the skydivers had open parachutes when they collided about 200 to 300 feet above the ground, causing their canopies to collapse and sending them plummeting, Eloy police Sgt. Brian Jerome said.

One person was pronounced dead at the scene and the other was pronounced dead at Casa Grande Regional Medical Center. A third skydiver, injured in an unrelated accident, was flown to Maricopa Medical Center in Phoenix, Jerome said. He said the deceased were not American, but he declined to name their countries of origin. They were part of a 200-member group, he said.

The planes keep going.

I thought you were at work? Get denting ffs.

 

[mydrugbuddy]

Only today pagey asked about MDMA despite still coming down from a speed binge and all she received in the way of advise was a you'll be awight. Now this is despite being on ssri's and to be honest it seems that she has been on one kind of bender or another of many RCs in the past month. I'm not picking on her specifically but if she was a real life friend of mine, I would be tapping her on the shoulder and telling her to have a break, especially as she is a recovering drug addict at 19?? and is studying at university. I'm all for a good time but I think at some stage you need good role models in your life and this place is. Seems to jump down the throat of anyone (me) who calls a spade a fucking shovel.

thats not accurate, both shambles and myself told her that it wouldnt work, through personal experience i know it doesnt work but is not dangerous, and that her mood was likely to be in the doldrums for a few days afterwards.

 

[gayorstraight]

GoS, my point is about risky behaviour, not effect on the brain. And just life in general, that's a terminal disease.

I get what you were saying, I just don't think you can compare skydiving with taking drugs.

 

[soaring peace2]

Knock - i didnt realize greenlighters could only pm every 180 mins.

So i'll reply in a less specific and personal way here.

Firstly, I'm not a total newb, Ive been lurking BL for about 4 years. Googling MXE brought me to the Psy forum. It became a daily thing but PD is a slow mover so I ended up looking around. ( i only mention this as in your PM you mentioned a time span, I shall say no more about that )

You genuinely seem committed to providing a ( much needed ) HR service. For this i applaud you.
Its for this reason I bothered to write in the first place.

In RL people who are just into ravey drugs or RCs or psychs are less likely to rub shoulders with long term with long term hard drug users. I mean it does happen, but not to the extent it happens here.
Reading about them daily does have a 'normalizing' effect.

Maybe the admin could consider splitting this forum into 3 sub forums, a hard drug forum, a soft drug forum and a mini-lounge where no drugs are mentioned and people can just take the piss and have a giggle.

It does seem like a lot of hard work and hassle.
Just an idea
But as the question has been raised, ie is EADD providing the best possible HR / support service it possibly could ?
I'm just saying it could be improved.
This is not a dig at you, or at anyone, and I mean no offence to the people that likes their hard drugs n that. I'm just giving you my 2cs

I hope you take this in the spirit in which it is intended. No offence meant, just tossing another idea into the hat :D

 

[knock]

I get what you were saying, I just don't think you can compare skydiving with taking drugs.

I just did :D

You can compare all kinds of things with each other. The dangers lie in assuming things that have a few similar attributes are identical, or things that differ a little are totally different. The point I was making, and I think this is fair, is:

- People engage in risky behaviour. This is part of life, Just because something might cause injury or death is no reason not to do it. The important thing is that people make their choices fully informed and have all the help they need to make safer choices.

Hundreds of thousands of people use drugs every day and come to no harm. Often this is because they have good information about harm reduction. Other times it's because they're happy and see a future and don't take unnecessary risks. Often people don't take care of themselves because there seems no point in doing so. That is the gravest danger, in my mind.

thats not accurate, both shambles and myself told her that it wouldnt work, through personal experience i know it doesnt work but is not dangerous, and that her mood was likely to be in the doldrums for a few days afterwards.

Thank you for pointing out some facts. OTW is not good with facts.

I bet Pagey has her ears burning! Poor pagey.


Soaring peace2 - I really need a break! I'll come back to this later. Thanks for your post though, skimming it, it looks interesting :D But my energy is fading! Mind you, there's others here to speak to

 

[One Thousand Words]

Oh now I'm leaning towards taking it
My only concern is how much it would exacerbate the comedown, if it wouldn't make it much worse I don't have too much of a dilemma haha. I'll think about it. Thanks Shambles
And yes, celebration coming soon

Looks like she's taking your advise to heart


I'm sure another hit of stims knock and you'll be back on your feet and ready to work through it.

You lucky bastard

 

[gayorstraight]

Looks like she's taking your advise to heart


I'm sure another hit of stims knock and you'll be back on your feet and ready to work through it.

You lucky bastard

http://www.grammar-monster.com/easily_confused/advice_advise.htm

You're welcome.

Your friendly neighbourhood grammar Nazi

 

[Hangover]

 

[gayorstraight]

Lulz!
Grammar is srs business

 

[One Thousand Words]

The only grammar I take seriously is my mates maori one who has a tattoo on her chin. I don't care what you say, you don't give that woman shit.

 

[RLP]

Being a relatively infrequent user of the site and a pretty piss poor drug user to boot, I do think EADD does somewhat lack in practicing the HR it preaches. This may be my own fault for not using any other branch of Bluelight, but I do often think there is little in the way of people voicing their concerns when risky/addictive behaviours are talked about.

I have no doubt that the majority of users we interact with on a daily basis here are clued up, and to point Knock I appreciate what you're saying about people choosing to take the risks, but I think it overlooks what I assume is a large greenlighter/lurker userbase who may not spend as much time on here as others.

Just my opinion. We should at least have an open discussion about how we can approve HR (after all it's an ongoing process of improvement) without the 'there's no point' shutout coming into play. If in the end the forum cannot agree of any ways to better improve HR then so be it, at least we've tried to explore the opportunity.

PS: Don't do drugs kids.

 

[BecomingJulie]

Some people are going to take drugs, whether we like it or not. We owe it to those who choose to do so that they are not forced to take any unecessary risk, for want of information or equipment. There seems to be a mentality among some non-drug-users -- and I disagree about as strongly as possible with this -- that the whole business of taking drugs should be made as dangerous as possible, in order to discourage would-be users.

I have given advice on tooting heroin because I'd rather someone did it that way the first time, than went straight to injecting because they didn't know any other way -- and if they did inject, then I'd rather they had access to sterile needles to do it with. And I've described my experiences with cold water extraction because I'd rather people didn't mess up their livers with overdoses of paractamol. I've also never sugar-coated it, nor made it out to be glamorous. If something's going to hurt, I'll say it's going to hurt -- but I'm not going to overstate the dangers, either, because we all know what happened to the boy who cried wolf.