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The EADD Metathread - "HR approach to dangerous drugs" branch

Si Dread

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Now it's also because I don't feel comfortable around so many heros who are all so happy to shoot heroin & bang booze & drugs very chance they get & I feel that dangerous drugs use should be politely discouraged. I don't want to drive dangerous drugs users away from EADD, but if this is going to be their home on BL, it won't be mine. I'd like to see more HR about dangerous drugs use being administered with a little more fortitude. Too many people from EADD have lost their lives to drugs this year to make me comfortable around this kinda tolerance.

So, simply, I dont come here as much anymore because [theres] too much dangerous drugs use that's tolerated in the name of HR.
 
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Now it's also because I don't feel comfortable around so many heros who are all so happy to shoot heroin & bang booze & drugs very chance they get & I feel that dangerous drugs use should be politely discouraged. I don't want to drive dangerous drugs users away from EADD, but if this is going to be their home on BL, it won't be mine. I'd like to see more HR about dangerous drugs use being administered with a little more fortitude. Too many people from EADD have lost their lives to drugs this year to make me comfortable around this kinda tolerance.

I have to agree with this one fully tbh, and have spoken of similar in PMs recently
 
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So, simply, I dont come here as much anymore because I feel that there's too much tacit xenophobia often masquerading as humour, & too much dangerous drugs use that's tolerated in the name of HR.

Hmm... I have seen this brought up a number of times over the years too actually. I have always argued against changing the way that kinda stuff is approached but have wondered and pondered on if I could perhaps consider reconsidering that sometime soon and will do so given it's come up again here.
 
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My own view is that it is wrong to think any of the recent deaths have been caused by poor HR advice. If anyone wants information about how to do drugs safely, it is here in plentiful supply. No-one encourages anyone else to do drugs dangerously either, in my view.


I'm pretty confident the people who have died recently were knowledgeable about drugs and knew what combinations were dangerous. I think a better explanation is that their life conditions, mental health, whatever, led them to have scant regard for their safety. No amount of information or persuasion will stop someone, who doesn't care any more, taking risks. This is what happened to me, although I did not die. I saw no future, and therefore although I knew booze and benzos was an extremely dodgy combination, I indulged many times. Even after being hospitalised twice, I continued to do so. This is because, fundamentally, I wanted to kill myself.

I've made this point before. Does it not make sense? Please argue with it using words rather than just ignoring me if it really does not make sense.

But, like Shambles, I'm open to having mind changed. Also, even if my mind is not changed, there is merit to the argument that our HR information on dangerous drugs should be clearer and more obvious.

It really disappoints me, or perhaps bothers me would be a better choice of word, that anyone would choose to leave here because people were dying. What good does walking away do? None at all. However I get that it can be depressing, and sometimes we need to get away from depressing shit.
 
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I do see where you are coming from Si Ingwe, seems to be accepted here soo much it's just normal
 
I don't spend as much time in EAAD anymore. At first it was because I felt that there was an undercurrent of xenophobia that was being ill-moderated & it made me uncomfortable. Now it's also because I don't feel comfortable around so many heros who are all so happy to shoot heroin & bang booze & drugs very chance they get & I feel that dangerous drugs use should be politely discouraged. I don't want to drive dangerous drugs users away from EADD, but if this is going to be their home on BL, it won't be mine.
It's sad you think that, but surely there's room for every kind of drug user here? The way I see it, users of "less dangerous drugs" (however you define that..) should stick around because we provide some sort of balance. Though I'll admit that I do cringe a bit when some substances (particularly combos) are glorified because I know lurkers/less experienced folk may be influenced.

edit: to clarify, I proposed the idea of adopting the support forum rules for threads here that deal with mental health, death, stuff like that.
Just my 2p, but I think this is a good idea.
 
What does it mean that it is "accepted"?

What exactly is accepted?

If we are to move forward, we have to be clear in our terms.

Dangerous drug combos or doses are often pointed out and people are often urged to dose or combine more sensibly. In what way is this acceptance?
 
My own view is that it is wrong to think any of the recent deaths have been caused by poor HR advice. If anyone wants information about how to do drugs safely, it is here in plentiful supply. No-one encourages anyone else to do drugs dangerously either, in my view.


I think it's naive to think there isn't even a casual link. Even the dark side that has its regular flow of suicide threats doesn't have such a high attrition rate in the past 2 years. I don't think it is confined to BL though, the whole British culture of getting fucked up and blaming the man for all your troubles is pretty universal.

Now I'm not siding with the pussified American view that you need 3 month break in between and three pills is too many in a night (although I'm personally one for moderation and recreation), but there does seem a wreck less attitude here because it's too hard to be confrontational.

Only today pagey asked about MDMA despite still coming down from a speed binge and all she received in the way of advise was a you'll be awight. Now this is despite being on ssri's and to be honest it seems that she has been on one kind of bender or another of many RCs in the past month. I'm not picking on her specifically but if she was a real life friend of mine, I would be tapping her on the shoulder and telling her to have a break, especially as she is a recovering drug addict at 19?? and is studying at university. I'm all for a good time but I think at some stage you need good role models in your life and this place is. Seems to jump down the throat of anyone (me) who calls a spade a fucking shovel.

This isn't an intervention for pagey, I could suggest any number of you are due for even a weeks break...
 
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I think it's naive to think there isn't even a casual link. Even the dark side that has its regular flow of suicide threats doesn't have such a high attrition rate in the past 2 years. I don't think it is confined to BL though, the whole British culture of getting fucked up and blaming the man for all your troubles is pretty universal.

I agree, there is a culture in Britain of getting fucked up. I don't agree about the "blaming the man" stuff and I don't see how it would even be relevant?

But I am talking about HR advice. So you believe that there is a link, albeit casually, between recent deaths and the advice given out on EADD? Please could you delineate an example of how that might have worked? I know it's a bit of a touchy subject but I think it needs done, if you have a point.

Now I'm siding with the pussified American view that you need 3 month break in between and three pills is too many in a night (although I'm personally one for moderation and recreation), but there does seem a wreck less attitude here because it's too hard to be confrontational.

We're talking about dangerous drug use, not taking MDMA three or four times a month. Or is this an example of our terrible attitude?

Only today pagey asked about MDMA despite still coming down from a speed binge and all she received in the way of advise was a you'll be awight. Now this is despite being on ssri's and to be honest it seems that she has been on one kind of bender or another of many RCs in the past month. I'm not picking on her specifically but if she was a real life friend of mine, I would be tapping her on the shoulder and telling her to have a break, especially as she is a recovering drug addict at 19?? and is studying at university. I'm all for a good time but I think at some stage you need good role models in your life and this place is. Seems to jump down the throat of anyone (me) who calls a spade a fucking shovel.

This isn't an intervention for pagey, I could suggest any number of you are due for even a weeks break...

I haven't seen that post.
 
Ssri use and MDMA is dangerous. It used to be the big no no when I first came to BL a decade ago. Now all the advise you get is oh, just stop it for a few days. The is bullshit. If your mental health is such that you are on prescription drugs who the hell is any member here telling someone to stop their meds?

You might not see it as acutely dangerous but there isn't a coincidence so many of you suffer from anxiety and depression. Self medication is up there with the Mayan calendar in terms if Internet fallacies. You seriously don't see the correlation between irresponsible drug use, depression then suicide?
 
Ssri use and MDMA is dangerous. It used to be the big no no when I first came to BL a decade ago. Now all the advise you get is oh, just stop it for a few days. The is bullshit. If your mental health is such that you are on prescription drugs who the hell is any member here telling someone to stop their meds?

You might not see it as acutely dangerous but there isn't a coincidence so many of you suffer from anxiety and depression. Self medication is up there with the Mayan calendar in terms if Internet fallacies. You seriously don't see the correlation between irresponsible drug use, depression then suicide?

I said "I haven't seen that post".

Please, please, learn to read.
 
I only have to think back to the last little smack binge I had. As soon as I got out the needles, practically the whole of EADD was in uproar. It was only breakcorefiend who managed to calm things down enough for me to be able to post here.

It's not quite as permissive here as some people seem to think. Perhaps there's quite a casual attitude to the use of some drugs, but it tends to be the ones that are regarded as the softer options; RC stims and dissociatives, for example.

I really can't think of an instance in which serious drug abuse has been encouraged. Tolerated, maybe, but that's different.
 
How many days has coltan been sober in the past month? What about you knock? It's easy to stop someone doing something stupid like mixing alcohol and G, or opiates and benzos, yet you all still do it. To me HR rule number one is don't develop a dependancy. Perhaps this is a little hard if you attract new members who are addicts to begin with.
 
MDPV certainly should not be treated like soft drugs. I quite agree with that!

However many RC stims really are not a problem, if dosed in moderation. MDPV is highly fiendish, compulsive. Most are not like that.
 
Most are so new there isn't even a cool street name for them. It's funny how Big Pharma gets such a bad wrap for pushing drugs with little research or safety yet you find something that makes the carpet move and you all bang it up your nose without a second thought.

How is fastnbulbous doing by the way?
 
How many days has coltan been sober in the past month? What about you knock?

I haven't been "sober" for years, but that has nothing to do with EADD, or BL generally, and the advice given or not given. Not sure what point this is supposed to achieve? Still not seen this post of Pagey's you're talking about, please could you link me to it?

It's easy to stop someone doing something stupid like mixing alcohol and G, or opiates and benzos
The thing is, it is not easy. I have already told you why. Do you read my posts? I'm losing patience with you. If you're not going to read posts before you respond to them, I'll start moving your posts to the OTW :D
 
Blimey. I see this thread is off and running. I'm gonna try to hold off posting properly tonight cos this topic is my absolute all-time #1 BL hobbyhorse and is the reason I only post on BL and the one thing I could imagine that could ever make me want to stop posting here. But I will say that I think this is a far more complex and delicate debate than the racism/sexism/homophobia/blah-de-blah stuff that really is a complete no-brainer as far as I can see. HR is the one reason we are all here and any changes in policy in that area need to be approached very cautiously.
 
I quite agree. It is a serious debate.

It seems some people will leave if we give out HR around dangerous drugs and ROAs, and others will leave if we don't! We're damned and we're damned.

I'm in the latter camp, just to be clear. The damned camp.
 
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