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The EADD Mental Health Support Thread

Cornishman is totally right - unless you are a major ring leader in a huge drugs/terrorism/any sort of criminal syndicate (i'm not insinuating anything, just using examples) operation none of the authorities are gonna give a shit about filming and bugging you constantly to listen yo your every word. It would cost them tens of thousands of pounds in man hours. Like Cornish, i dont mean to be nasty, but are you really that important ?

Ive had this conversation with myself during PV paranoia, so i can now fortunately see it for what it is. That was not the case when i was 19, i was full on paranoid every step outside or in. That ended up in a psychotic break thats taking fucking years to heal. Only just beginning to get there now like 23 years later. I had some good times in my youth, but so much misery and isolation and misses opportunities. That sounds like self pity. I tell myself dont go there. I dont do so very often, as soon as i catch myself doing that i put the brakes on it. Its very unhelpful.
 
Im sorry dude if i got it wrong,. No offence intended. Was trying to help....

With drug induced paranoia it is possible to rationalise your way out of it. My non drug induced paranoia got better as the years went by, and i only get that occasionally now. Apologies for not understanding or empathising correctly. Just as well i need to do 3 courses before i can become a drugs worker/counsellor too.

The main problem is i just kind of skimmed your post without reading the middle bit and leapt to all the wrong conclusions
 
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I have a sever anxiety disorder agrophobia and sever ibs which makes my anxiety and agro worse and likewise anxiety and agro/claustrophobia make ibs worse , if im in a town and lost /don't know area I used to freak out heart up to 200bpm panic to max thinking id need toilet stuck in traffic which in turn would happen fight or flight kicks in and body needs toilet , it ruined my first 19 years of life totally controlled me I avoided travelling as much as possible would have to shit 5-6 times panic before school bus incase it happened there my doc kept tryin to treat ibs every drug under sun didn't work but once o found opiates my life changed , I lost that fear I lost the inability to take my g/f to the pics etc , only thing doc tried stress wise was buspar ,usekless and tryptizol , gave me pins n needles all over binned it , but I can honestly say opiates have improved my life 500% ok they have screwed up a lot of things too but if my doc had listened 19 yrs ago id have been on a maintenance temgesic script , I was happy o, 3 0.2 mg tabs snorted a day ,lived a happy normalish life , ever since , my old man has ibs too not as bad as mine but its stopped him doing a lot until I bought him 50g of kratom , he uses it 2 -3 times max every 10 days 2 grams in am if hes bad and its really helped him before that he hated opiates as doc gave him dhc 60mg when he broke a finger and he puked like fk , but opiates should be prescribed for reasons like this too instead of self medicating ending up on smack for 19 yrs , hardly now due to oxy , docs in uk shouldn't be scared! also gave myself psychosis due to something drugwise heroin was all I was smoking nothing else and I couldn't sleep I ws itchy and gouchy but wide awake eventually 3 am after smoking more and more I ended up talking to my dad out my bedroom window (he was in bed) wondered why he wouldn't answer also remember peepin thru curtains watching barney the dinosaur cutting down huge tree on my lawn wit a chainsaw an 2 other things , then I smoked more lay till 6am dozed off to a dream of a spider size of a cat inside quilt cover so shook it out window an mum walked in ,explaining feck! I started a new job for an oil company that day got lost 40min drive took 2 hr so late an fucked up , seemingly h was cut with pcp ???? no idea but others had probs too! 8.5 yrs ago! also on way to work stopped to have a few lines , smoked one turned foil about to have another felt tooter get slapped out of my mouth ,never saw it again,freaky eh how things can happen and feel real , had that bmw 2 yrs more never got tooter back
 
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Last time i tried to say something helpful in this thread i put my foot right in it so hopefully this wont do the same

brimz and lighter magnet your psychiatrists sounds like absolute cnuts. I really feel for you. Especially if you are dependant on them for your prescriptions. I am fortunate enough to have a counsellor who is very warm and sympathetic but there are things id love to talk to her about, but i cant, otherwise all sorts of shit would come crashing down. So i can only tell her 3/4 of the picture.

She doesnt do my prescribing. That is done at another clinic. The Dr there said my addictions are psychological and he cannot help. If shitting yourself 7 times a day, and cold sweats, feeling too hot and cold at the same time, being overtaken by 80 year olds on the pavement cos you have no energy, if all that is psychological then one of us doesnt know the meaning of the word. Pretty sure its not me.

For some reason i am being reassesed by him. When i mentioned this in one of my support groups and said something must have happened behind the scenes, the guy said lets not be having conspiracy theories. WTF, something MUST have happened, or why would the dr have said no, and then 6 weeks later reasses me.

The point of this ramble is that those who hold power over people with addictions seem to be heartless cnuts. They neither understand nor sympathise with theit clients. Lighter Magnet yours sounded like a right pompous twat, shame that the balance of power is is so skewed he knows he'll make things worse for you if you had retorted to his ridiculous remark. In my limited experience something is badly wrong with prescribing services. I guess its totally underfunded, my cnut of a dr has a full diary for like the next 4 months or something, so i guess i could be a bit more understanding. But thats hard when his wrong call fucks up your own life.

Im now in a very weird place. Im psychologically much better than i have been for years. But my addictions are getting steadily worse. All my tapers have failed, and ive ended up stuck on 3 times as much as i tapered down to, and still need more :\
 
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yeahmdb , im here anytime for anyone needin an ear to bash shouilder to cry on etc, stranger or friend, anyone pm me anytime and ill be there even if I can only support ill do my best, im a good listener learnt that after being ignored 19 yrs by docs , but I mean that I will help anyone I can!
 
This morning I dropped my car off for repair at the dealers, and as it was warm and sunny i decided to walk home, right down the main road thats heaving with jaw droppingly sexy Uni students.

I was in a relaxed and confident mood for a while, until i started to get into the busier parts of town. Then a really bad paranoia/panic attack hit. And the rest of the walk home was a nightmare. I chose a much quieter route in the end rather than the one heaving with head turners and all sorts of others. That was definately a good decision. Every person i passed was difficult, didnt have to pass many on this route. Just wanted to get home pop a handful of etiz to quiet that shit down as soon as possible.....

I think my ah7921 is contaminated with cannabinoids (probably did that myself). I rarely get paranioa/panic attacks as bad as that anymore, unless there's drugs involved.
 
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Any counsellors on here? I'm fed up of my brain chemistry and wondered if some sort of cognitive behavioural therapy type stuff might help.

I can easily get very depressed* over relatively minor things.. A lot of people have proper problems and seem to cope okay, so it's pretty embarrassing that I'm this depressed because of fairly run-of-the-mill work/friends/family stuff. I know that solving the particular issues is inevitable and won't help in the long run as there'll always be new problems.. I think I just need to reprogram my thinking so I don't let stuff affect me so much. Has anyone got any experience with this, and has it helped?

(*I was playing with some online psychology tests which said I was Severely Depressed, which surprised me because I didn't think it was quite that bad.)
 
I've had a few CBT courses over the years and must admit they've not really done it for me so far. However, it is certainly highly effective for many. And I wouldn't worry for a moment what label you may or may not come under. You know in yourself whether there are issues there which are hampering your life. Is just a rather handy way to deal with problems really.
 
CBT helped me a little, certainly well worth giving a go.

I had to push quite hard to get it on the NHS, first I had to deal with an alcohol problem and be reasonably clean for 4 weeks. then they tried CBT sessions via the phone which were useless for me.

I finally got face to face sessions with a very good counsellor (sp?) it helped with some self awareness about deep seated stuff and gave me some methods to try and improve things. In itself it does not seek to resolve anything but rather help you find ways of dealing with things for yourself, I think it has helped me not fall back into serious illness.

There is unlikely to be rapid cure for depression for anyone IMHO but as an alternative to ADs I think CBT stacks up pretty well.
 
Just reinforcing what the others have said really...

CBT can be extremely helful for some people. It basically helps us to look at the way our thinking interracts with and effects our emotional condition. The CBT therapist will engage in helping you to identify and then challenge your 'negative automatic thoughts'.

CBT is really the 'in thing' in therapy. Government likes funding it as it has a lot of evidential support regarding it's efficacy. Oh, and because it's relatively cheap compared to other thertapeutic models ;). You ususally get between 6 and 12 sessions and are then sent off into the world 'armed' with your techniques.

There seems to be a lot of evidence building up however that CBT is often only effective in the short-term. You could say that, similar to much medicinal practice, CBT concerns itself with symptoms and not causes (I'm in pain doc...here's some pills now off you go). Roots of distress are pretty much ignored....

client goes for CBT....gets 'better'...boxes ticked...hey this works....a year on client returnes....gets 'better'...boxes ticked...hey this works...etc

It can defo help, no doubt. To my mind it's not truly therapeutic though, more a helpful set of techniques to apply which may well keep the demons at bay for a bit
 
Thanks folks, I knew I could rely on you guys to be helpful. <3

All interesting stuff there, seems to echo my own thoughts. Will have a read up on various techniques and see if I can tame my brain a bit, but yeah, I agree with that there's unlikely to be a rapid cure.
 
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Any counsellors on here? I'm fed up of my brain chemistry and wondered if some sort of cognitive behavioural therapy type stuff might help.

I can easily get very depressed* over relatively minor things.. A lot of people have proper problems and seem to cope okay, so it's pretty embarrassing that I'm this depressed because of fairly run-of-the-mill work/friends/family stuff. I know that solving the particular issues is inevitable and won't help in the long run as there'll always be new problems.. I think I just need to reprogram my thinking so I don't let stuff affect me so much. Has anyone got any experience with this, and has it helped?

(*I was playing with some online psychology tests which said I was Severely Depressed, which surprised me because I didn't think it was quite that bad.)
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I've been doing CBT for the past year or so to try and deal with PTSD and it's made a huge difference. As others have said it isn't for everyone but I think it's definitely worth a go. Put it this way - if it doesn't help you it won't have hurt you to try, but if it does help it really will make you moev forward.

Also, try not to get caught up in the 'i shouldn't be depressed, some people have it much worse than me' thinking. There's no right or wrong in depression, if you are then it's justified and you shouldn't feel guilty about it. <3

Edit: reading over the previous posts I seem to have had a bit of a different experience. My counsellor's been tryign to get me to deal with the root issues rather than the symptoms. Hm.
 
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I've been doing CBT for the past year or so to try and deal with PTSD and it's made a huge difference. As others have said it isn't for everyone but I think it's definitely worth a go. Put it this way - if it doesn't help you it won't have hurt you to try, but if it does help it really will make you moev forward.

Also, try not to get caught up in the 'i shouldn't be depressed, some people have it much worse than me' thinking. There's no right or wrong in depression, if you are then it's justified and you shouldn't feel guilty about it. <3

Edit: reading over the previous posts I seem to have had a bit of a different experience. My counsellor's been tryign to get me to deal with the root issues rather than the symptoms. Hm.
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Your counsellor is probably an integrative therapist rather than strictly a CBT practitioner I would guess.

CBT interventions with a PTSD problem confuse me a bit I must say. Having said that trauma is notoriously difficult to work with and a lot of people find that therapy makes PTSD worse.

Also don't really understand what root issues you are both looking at if it's a PTSD issue. The root issue of PTSD is simply the trauma.

Happy to chat to you about it via PM if it's sensitive etc. Good luck with it <3
 
^It's more that we try to deal both with the trauma and with the stuff it brought out that had already been there, ie. the root issues :)

Honestly it was absolutely horrible at first and it made everything worse but with time I do think it helped to have things brought to the forefront and to really understand the associations I was now making etc. Would definitely be in a very bad place without therapy. I don't want to talk about it here but it probably depends on the cause for the PTSD as well?

oh and thank you <3
 
Actually, speaking of PTSD...if anyone has any experience with it & found something that helped them would you care to share please? Would be very grateful.
 
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