The EADD I'm Fucked Megathread - We don't even know what month it is...

[Shambles]

200 mg is too high imho for a first time dose.

I would agree. It just feels horrid if you take too much. Actually works better taking 50mg at hourly (or half-hourly with tolerance) intervals. I'd still stop short of 200mg if never used before. 100mg should be enough. Maybe 150mg is you have previous opi experience.

And...

Can't actually answer your question, but having quit them after long-term prescribed usage, I would advise you to steer well clear, certainly of establishing any type of habit with them.. The Horrors is the only term I could use for the w/ds.

That. Tramadol is not a drug anybody would wish an addiction on their worst enemy.

The heroin was a lie. Coz if u did take it on top of all that you'd be dead right now. Or at the very least be able to give us one of your incoherent attempts at a post by repeatedly bashing the keyboard.

Don't be bloody stupid Raas. I've taken more in an afternoon. That's not to say it's in any way wise or recommended but there's no reason whatsoever that combo would kill you in and of itself. It totally depends on how much you take of each. The only really risky aspect is combining downers (and that really is risky - and indeed often deadly) but people do it daily so it's hardly a case of instadeath. This is a HR site but overstating risks is no better than understating them - it's a Peter & The Wolf kinda deal: nobody believes the rest of it.

 

[Eveleivibe]

Yea take it easy with Trams. Never personally taken them myself but I've heard some horror stories on Bluelight of people having seizers during withdrawal. I think, but don't quote me, that if you take over 400mg per day, you are at more risk of seizers. Like I said I'm not sure, so best to Google that for yourself - but being at risk of seizers isn't good encase you're ever on your own.

Also tramadol has an antidepressant component in it and I think the trams hit different receptors to opiates because it's an artificial opiate - not a real one. I'm not sure if it's serotonin, I'll have to read up on it, just know that there is an antidepressant component so maybe someone else can help further?

Take care,

Raas you can't go around accusing people of lying it's not nice. Some people have a higher tolerance and may be able to get away with that. Maybe you could, like Shambles has, point out the dangers of it so that someone with less a tolerance doesn't go taking the same amount and end up ODing, but it's a bit mean to accuse people of lying.

Evey xxxx

 

[Shambles]

Yeah, 400mg is the generally suggested upper limit before seizures become a very real risk. In reality seizures are always a risk with tramadol - have heard of people seizing on 100mg. That's not to say it's inevitable - or even massively common - cos there are also people who take it by the gramme. There is intrinsic risk of seizures involved simply in taking tramadol which is not the case for most drugs afaik. It's pleasant enough taken now and then but not anywhere near worth the trouble it brings. I flushed half a carrierbag full of the stuff a few months back. When I flush that kinda amount of drugs they really must be shonky...

And yes, they have an SNRI action (similar to SSRIs like Prozac and Seroxat only with additional noradrenaline reuptake effect (ie jittery as fuck)). The w/d are beyond hellish. I'd take heroin w/d over tram any day of the week - they're pleasant in comparison. It makes sense really. How shit do opi w/d feel? Now add in antidepressant w/d

(took three months before the w/d shifted too - both times i got myself addicted 8))

*shudders*

 

[Sprout]

Tramadol was my very first taste of opiate addiction - baptism by fire if ever there was one.
Though, I suspect rather strongly that I am of the ~10% that hypermetabolise it - 400mg of Tram would have me in a blissful nod for 6-8 hours at a time when 60-70mg of Morphine barely made me feel the cold a little less. The WD is... strange, really. It seems a tiny bit less physical than other opiates (Codeine, Morphine, Oxycodone), but the mental effects, and with that: PAWS, are so much worse. My first, and I sincerely hope only, WD from Tramadol hit me very, very hard, and in my uneducated naivety, I had no idea why I was writhing in bed, sweating buckets and hunched over the toilet for a week, while bursting into tears spontaneously. I don't think it's possible to overstate it. I literally can't take Tram any more, unless I fancy delusional psychosis for 2/3 days after.

@JT - 200mg is too much if you're opiate naive; especially if you're in the 'lucky' 10%. My advice: if you have capsules: empty them and dissolve them in water at 5mg/ml. Start with 10ml, add another 10ml ~45/60 minutes later, ~45 minutes later, another 5-10ml. If this isn't enough, add 5/10ml an hour later. Do not exceed 400mg (80ml) in 24 hours, the risk of seizures is true, and non-linear. Realistically, if you're opiate naive and not blasted off 150 - 200mg (30-40ml), there's no need to go any further - ~10% (IME, the figure is a little higher) don't metabolise Tramadol well, or, indeed, at all.

 

[JonL]

Reckon its OK to mix Subutex, Valium and Crack?

 

[eLW]

The heroin was a lie. Coz if u did take it on top of all that you'd be dead right now. Or at the very least be able to give us one of your incoherent attempts at a post by repeatedly bashing the keyboard.

I snorted it, not injected, Sherlock. "Give us" - who are you? Bunch of retards! I login into this forum when im fucked, and sometimes check it when im bored. So fuck you and your opinion, ok?

 

[Sammy G]

Reckon its OK to mix Subutex, Valium and Crack?

Yes. Just don't go mad.

 

[JonL]

Subutex is horrible... im having to hit the pipe to try and bring myself out of this dopey haze im under, and do my work all at the same time!

 

[Shambles]

Subutex is not horrible but each to their own. You might want to look at the Valium for the "dopey haze" element cos bupe is actually dead stimulating usually. If you don't take it regularly it is an odd opi and has some particular quirks. More is not more - you'll just feel horrid. It's one of those rare beasts that tends to work best (and feel best) at as low a dose as you can get away with (although obviously just above where your tolerance is if you have tolerance). Without tolerance you really want to be staying at 1mg or under - even 1mg may be a bit high and lead to more nasty side-effects than desirable ones.

I must agree that crack is the best drug for productivity I've ever tried. Admittedly rather short-term productivity but lawdy do you get through shit

 

[Swarm]

CT'd off everthing. Consequentially have no concept of either space or time. Will hopefully learn what day it is after I manage to relearn the location of the calender on my phone.

 

[Shambles]

Extreme CT is quite the altered state - it definitely counts as fukked but maybe not quite as much fun as other varieties. Hope it clears soon

 

[Swarm]

Thanks man. I try and taper whenever I have the option as I think CT is so fucking bad for you. I 'm four days in though and things feel mostly stabilized. Not fun but am unlikely to get any worse - though have a feeling I won't be completely right again any time soon. Am actually quite glad I managed to even post on the forum.

 

[Shambles]

What is it you're turkeying from if you don't mind me asking?

 

[masaz]

Residual fuckededness from EPH, etiz and a bit of spliff this morning. Feels nice. Hope I can sleep tonight though or at least get a nap. Also need to eat at some point

 

[Eveleivibe]

I snorted it, not injected, Sherlock. "Give us" - who are you? Bunch of retards! I login into this forum when im fucked, and sometimes check it when im bored. So fuck you and your opinion, ok?

That comment makes you just as bad as him and makes you appear rather petulant. You put yourself in the wrong by acting that way - trust me I've done so heaps of times myself - and have heaps of warnings as a consequence It's not worth reacting to people trying to hurt us or wind us up because it only gives them satisfaction and makes us appear drama causes and what-not (I should learn to take my own advice haha).

Subutex is not horrible but each to their own. You might want to look at the Valium for the "dopey haze" element cos bupe is actually dead stimulating usually. If you don't take it regularly it is an odd opi and has some particular quirks. More is not more - you'll just feel horrid. It's one of those rare beasts that tends to work best (and feel best) at as low a dose as you can get away with (although obviously just above where your tolerance is if you have tolerance). Without tolerance you really want to be staying at 1mg or under - even 1mg may be a bit high and lead to more nasty side-effects than desirable ones.

Totally agree! Shambles knows his stuff n is the one to talk to if ever you want to know stuff because he's HR n drug-knowledge King of EADD, in my opinion. I'm starting to learn that less is more with buprenorphine. For a long time I thought that people were talking a load of ***** but since I've dropped form 12mg to 10mg I've far more energy, I'm losing weight, I feel ace n not so out of sorts with my homeostasis messing up all the time.

I definitely agree that if a person is using buprenorphine recreationally that they should aim to use no more than 1mg however, I wouldn't want to use buprenorphine recreationally when there are other opiates out there more suited for the job.

Re: Tramadol. It's bad enough suffering opiate withdrawal or antidepressant withdrawal alone never together and with another neurotransmitter on top, sod that. Trying to quit citalopram was bad enough with the electric shock feeling going through my head at a million miles an hour, let alone that. Still on citalopram almost two years later and I always used to be lecturing others on antidepressants - how there's no proper blood test for depression, no scientific evidence, etc, etc.

Right off to collect my little girl.
Take to you all later after I've gone to NMI to welcome a few newbies.
Evey xxxx

 

[Swarm]

What is it you're turkeying from if you don't mind me asking?

Interesting question actually. I been hittting the stims hard over the last couple months (mpa, 4 FA, mxe and erm the good old pee vee) but I also had the etiz / pyraz mix going, along with the AH 7921. I don't know what's doing the majority of the damage. I know that cutting the downers and the opiate are definitely playing their part but the majority of the damage could well be lasting effects of having been blasting the stimulants real hard again.

All round mess is probably the safest diagnosis.

 

[Swarm]

I kinda lost the plot and went on a savage one. I don't really believe in regrets so to speak but it wasn't my finest hour I'll just say that.

Lost my job and accommodation - kinda fell into nothing to lose mode. Am on the mend now though like I said so its all good.

I'm just totally rattled right now. Even the simplest things barely seem doable.

 

[Shambles]

Ouch. Sorry to hear that, Swarm

But at least things are picking up now

I've heard AH-wotsit is a nightmare to come off. Extended w/d that are really quite severe. Never used it myself but seems to be one best avoided in terms of regular use cos the w/d sound downright vicious. And combined with benzo w/d and (several) stim comedowns?!? I say again, ouch. That can't be any kinda fun but at least the stimmy stuff is relatively brief... although with the insomnia from benzo + opi w/d perhaps not as brief as usual. Nasty situation to be in but good to hear you've gotten past the worst of it

 

[ColtDan]

Sorry to hear that Swarm... what a combo, bad times

 

[Swarm]

Cheers guys.

Its all good though. I'm trying to take all the positives I can from the situation. In the past I've looked for a way out when things got that rough. It feels good that I toughed it out and stayed strong in my mind - hasn't always been like that in the past.

Yeah that AH-7921 is a tricky one for sure. Its very deceptive. Doesn't seem like it would be that bigger deal but I learned otherwise over the last six months. Definitely one to be careful with I would say.