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The Drug's in the Mail - The Silk Road and our very own Tronica!

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I have found 2 others in the last couple of weeks modelled exactly the same as SR! Only these sell guns freely on there too
 
Cafegirl said:
I have found 2 others in the last couple of weeks modelled exactly the same as SR! Only these sell guns freely on there too
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theres a few sites out there that are similar to SR, some are private invite only, some are open and some are fake and set up soley to scam. All of them are nearly impossible to find on the TOR network
 
"Underweb anger as Silk Road seller does a runner"


The top Australian seller on underground online drug marketplace Silk Road has gone rogue and made off with tens of thousands of dollars, while several other Australian sellers appear to be missing in action.
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Interesting article - I'd be curious as to the percentage of Silk Road imports that customs is actually picking up. Previous approximations of LE effectiveness re illicit drug trade float around the 10-15% mark. Would this really be any different?
 
ETM was a very good business man/woman whilst selling on SR, branded his/her wares and always popped in a spruik for his/her wares in every post. ETM annoyed people but he was, I think, the largest and longest Aussie serving vendor on SR (as ETM always reminded people lol).

Maybe ETM got spooked by the recent arrest of the other Aussie vendor? or was ETM smart enough to get out while the going was good? ETM may have been busted also.

The amounts ETM was selling locally was quite large and risky considering most of what ETM sold came from OS vendors on SR. He/she had some sytem of ordering large amounts through the mail successfully. Either that or maybe one of the safe houses ETM was using as a drop was compromised?

Apparently ETM has got away with a lot of untraceable money to the tune of 30-40k. This on top of what ETM made as a vendor. In my eyes thats not a lot of money to risk going to jail for a few years.

* please note as stated before in my posts, I have never purchased anything from SR and refuse to do so and Ive disliked SR from the beginning.
Its just really fascinating browsing the SR forums and seeing what happens
 
Tronica said:
I agree, mister, it is fascinating - especially how trust works (or does not work) in an anonymous network!
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This is a great example of the prisoner's dilemma - a really awesome piece of game theory that looks at the problems of cooperation, particularly between strangers.

In classical iterative prisoner's dilemma, the winning strategy is to always cooperate with individuals until they fail to cooperate with you, then never cooperate with them.

Of course, this is a more complex case...
 
another interesting article......

I’m Waiting for my UPS Man

There are two websites where you can add a gram of heroin to your shopping cart as if you were buying asparagus on Fresh Direct. One belongs to Sigma-Aldrich, the St. Louis chemical company that synthesizes pure opioids for use in laboratory studies. For this you need to be a federally accredited laboratory. The other is Silk Road, the anonymous marketplace where drugs are priced in untraceable Bitcoin currency. For this you just need an internet connection.

Most of us do so much online shopping, and the interface has become so standardized, that the bland machinery of ecommerce is part of the texture of our waking lives: clicking “add to shopping cart” is like flicking a light switch. So although you might be perturbed if a salesperson offered you heroin from behind a department store counter, the aesthetic of the product page makes the transaction seem instantly mundane. Really, the only surprise is that Amazon hasn’t gotten into the game already. It’s strange to recall that rock music once made the act of buying drugs sound as mythically cool as the act of taking them. Today, Lou Reed would go to Silk Road instead of Lexington and 125th, and the man he’d be waiting for a week later would be totally unwitting, and from UPS.

Silk Road got a lot of publicity in 2011 for its heroin and LSD offerings; most of the websites that sell recreational drugs specialize in experimental compounds imported from China, still legal or quasi-legal because no legislative body can possibly keep up with an enterprising chemist. However, to dodge broader regulations about what you can encourage people to put in their bodies, most of these drugs are advertised under some other category: bath salts, plant food, pool cleaner. Like the ecommerce interface itself, the product pages are redolent of dull domestic life. So far, the most popular of these drugs is mephedrone (not to be confused with methadone), a substitute for MDMA that arrived in the UK in around 2009 and in the US last year. Mephedrone became famous in the British tabloids as “Meow Meow,” a “street name” that turned out to have been the invention of a lone Wikipedia user. It’s now been banned almost everywhere, after being implicated in a handful of deaths (and one notorious face-eating, which later turned out to have nothing to do with it). But dozens of its relatives still count as legal highs.

While Silk Road is like eBay, many of the websites offering “research chemicals” are more like Zappos: full-featured specialist retailers that operate openly and expect to be around for long enough that it’s worth investing in customer retention. These websites don’t just have shopping carts and checkouts: they also have user reviews, product alerts, seasonal sales and multiple worldwide delivery options. (“Really great product these pellets are. compared to the “o5” pellets, and the 6apb powder ive had from numerous sources, these absolutely blew me away. 2 pellets made for an amazing reaction, the 5apb adds SO much to the mix. Also, top notch customer support and service, as usual. Shipped same day. rc-lab is always a pleasure to do business with.”) We all know from The Wire that drug dealers have learned a lot from the marketing techniques of legitimate businesses. But the timing of their seasonal sales, for instance, doesn’t quite make sense: it’s not as if you need to clear out all your heavy winter junk to make way for the graceful new spring collections. One wonders if the retailers are so delighted with their off-the-shelf e-commerce platforms that they’ve decided to imitate more mainstream websites by any other means that occur to them.

There is, however, one area in which they really fall down, and that’s friendliness to the newbie. Methoxetamine, methiopropamine, ethylphenidate, etizolam, benzofuran, camfetamine, pentedrone—who can keep up? The merchants can give you the best customer service in the world, but the one thing they can’t do is explain the effect of these drugs and how much you might want to swallow, because, remember, they’re only selling plant food. Could it be that, just when it seemed like the internet was robbing the drug world of all its dangerous glamor, the problem’s actually just been flipped upside down? In the old days, you knew what you wanted but didn’t know where to get it. In 2013, you can get almost anything but have no idea what it is.

That is, if you want anything at all. The UK edition of Vice magazine is basically the Martha Stewart Living of recreational drug abuse, but even there, you won’t find much hype any more. One of the editors wrote recently, “When was the last time you took a mysterious chemical that made your life better? Over the past few years, all the new drugs that have cropped up have been horrible. None of them work until you’re actually addicted to them, the comedowns last for about sixteen weeks, and every time you go to sleep, you get night terrors and think that you’re going to die.” One reason for the frequent clearance sales on these websites may be that a lot of these drugs only have a short period of commercial viability before word gets around about how grim they are. I’ve even heard the Zizekian theory that products like mephedrone are a sort of delayed act of vengeance for the East India Company’s aggressive trade in opium: two hundred years later, the Chinese finally get to sell a debilitating narcotic back to the British. In 2010, undercover reporters from the Daily Mail visited a “filthy Shanghai laboratory” where legal highs were synthesized right next to “heart-disease drugs” and “fake Viagra”—from the start, the new chemical underground goes hand in hand with middle-aged tedium.

Still, if you are truly determined to experiment with this stuff, then you will find that the merchants have their necessary counterparts: message boards that translate the specials that are untranslated on their menus. These message boards are enthralling even if you’ve never taken drugs in your life, because, like William Gibson novels, they make you feel as though you’ve jumped twenty minutes into the future. Some of their users are evidently trained chemists, while the rest are enthusiastic autodidacts, rather like Victorian gentleman scientists, so there is much talk of moieties, isomers, and chiral centers, as well as debate about the best cheap microgram scales. On the message boards, the pursuit of pleasure is coldly pragmatic, with none of the hippie transcendentalism you sometimes find on older sites like Erowid. Here, no one gives a shit about Terence McKenna and his elves.

When we talk about the deglamorization of heroin, we normally have in mind films like Trainspotting and Requiem for a Dream—heroin as aestheticized nightmare—“outstaring death,” as Edward St. Aubyn sardonically characterized it, “returning with the scars and medals of a haunting knowledge, Coleridge, Baudelaire, Leary.” But on the message boards, heroin for the most part comes across as an obscure hobby that takes up way too much free time. People start threads asking about the most “heroin-friendly city” in the US; hard tar versus soft tar; picking your cuticles too much between injections. There’s no secrecy, no rebellion, and no post-punk soundtrack. It’s an opium den with Ikea furniture and very bright lights. These forums do what no government anti-drug campaign has ever been able to accomplish: they make hard drugs seem boring.

Once in a while, though, the stakes get raised. In October 2009, an administrator posted a thread with the subject line “If you have ordered 2C-B-fly from Haupt-RC, then your life may be in danger.” He explained that an acquaintance of his, a 22-year-old man from Copenhagen with the online handle “Minimal,” had died after taking 18 mg of a substance imported from a wholesaler in China. Minimal was not only a forum user himself, he was also a small-time online vendor, and in the five days between making the compound available on his site and accidentally ending his own life he had sent out “an unknown number of orders around the world.” Soon afterward, there were reports from San Jose, California of another death from the same batch, which in subsequent laboratory tests would turn out to have been a mislabeled hallucinogen called Bromo-DragonFLY mixed with various lethal impurities. Warnings about new products are seen every so often on the forums, but this was the first time that, in some sense, the message board itself was the disaster site.

The two hundred replies that followed the original post are worth reading because they constitute such a genuine report on what the internet has done to drug culture. By post 9, someone has uploaded a photo of a 500mg bag of the compound to help out others who thought they might have bought some. By post 14, someone is complaining about a Wikipedia editor taking down information about Minimal’s death on the basis that, the editor claimed, “Wikipedia is not a newswire or a drug advice center, it is an encyclopedia.” By post 24, someone is asking for advice about how to convince his friends to throw away their stash of the drug: “These are Texans we’re talking about here, I need hard data.” By post 60, the high-level chemical discussion has begun: “The RC vendor’s website’s structure for the so called 2cbfly indicated saturation on the outer furan rings.” By post 62, two friends of the man who died in San Jose have arrived to tell their stories. By post 111, someone has uploaded a photo of their DIY Marquis reagent test on the compound, and by post 157, someone has uploaded a graph of the gas chromotography-mass spectrometry data from a Spanish drug analysis organization called Energy Control.

The superabundance of information that’s now accreting around drug use will no doubt save a few (or more than a few) lives. But there’s also something paradoxical about it, because drugs are, by their nature, anti-informational. Rationality trickles off them like water off Gore-Tex. One of the most common reasons people give for staying off psychoactives is that they don’t want to lose their sense of self-control. And surely all this online scholasticism is on some level an attempt to wrest some of that control back.

But it’s a futile attempt. Proust once suggested that no matter how much we educate ourselves about medicine, we will still find it impossible to make sense of what’s going on in our bodies when we’re ill, because our interiority is just a glimmer in a fathomless expanse of shadow. Illness, he wrote, makes us “recognise that we are chained to a being from a different realm, worlds apart from us, with no knowledge of us, and by whom it is impossible to make ourselves understood.” Drugs are the same. We can pretend all we like that buying them is just like buying a new TV, but when our neurotransmitters start vomiting catecholamines, that’s one of the few things in our lives that still take place entirely and irretrievably offline.
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http://nplusonemag.com/i-m-waiting-for-my-ups-man
 
"52 million international mail items were processed by Customs, with around 1400 interceptions related to drugs"

Nice ratio so what about the rest that made it through though?? LOL 1400 seems very little compared to 52 million!
 
whats more fascinating is the people who made out like bandits by buying a bunch of bitcoins, say, a year ago,

You could get a lot of drugs now of you did that
 
I've had to unapprove a few posts. We don't allow discussion about using SR, whether that's discussing buying products or talking about technical aspects of the site, how to access it and so on.

mister your post was hilarious though ;)
 
so whats the point of this thread????? just bloody close it already!!! personally i think its pretty fucking dumb to have a thread about a website that you can buy drugs off. just bringing soo much MORE unwanted attention
 
gullsy, I'd invite you to read the whole thread before commenting. You'll find your question has been answered many times.

I can assure you that extensive discussions have been held behind the scenes with the AusDD mods and the senior staff regarding this thread, and the conclusion to keep this thread wasn't arrived at flippantly.
 
gullsy said:
so whats the point of this thread????? just bloody close it already!!! personally i think its pretty fucking dumb to have a thread about a website that you can buy drugs off. just bringing soo much MORE unwanted attention
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Unwanted attention?....fucking LOL!!! Ill bet my left nut you wouldnt have even known SR existed without Gawker or BL.

SR is known very well by the authorities and has been for some time, both here and overseas. SR is a modern day phenomenon that deserves the publics attention, attention that most members of SR and DPR him/herself welcomes with open arms as it makes DPR more money and it brings to light the futility of the war on drugs, and gives us an unrepresented look in to the world of drugs and drug users from the perspective of a fly on the wall.

I personally am a little shocked at how intellectual and refined a great percentage of SR users are. That comes down to the publics perception of drug users and sellers as the lowest of the low with little or no morals, apart from a few rogue vendors the SR business model seems to work very well considering its mainly based on trust and anonymity.

This same business principle in the real world cannot say the same.

As the old saying goes, "the cats out of the bag" and if your purchasing anything from SR, which I suspect morst people who want this thread closed are, blame The Dredd Pirate Roberts as he/she LOVES publicity.

Buying illegal drugs over the internet has been going on for a lot longer than SR has been around, years in fact. Its nothing new.

Anyway SR has been down all day which is odd, will be an interesting few days in Tor land Im sure
 
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goonbag said:
For someone who has never purchased from there, you definitely do your homework well mister! :)

It truly is a phenomenon for how open and blatant it is.
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if I did purchase anything from SR I would have absolutely no problem posting that fact here, truth is i dont even know how the whole bitcoin thing works.

I do read the SR forum though and find it incredibly fastinating. it really is a modern day phenomenum, goonbag, especially how brazen SR is openly operating in clear view of authorities world wide and actually welcomes publicity. Its also none violent as apposed to the stereo typical drug dealings that the public perceives, making it a fairly safe option for people wanting to buy drugs.
 
Given the absence of a 'Like' button or 'Thumbs Up' icon or whatnot, I'd just like to say thanks to mister for the excellent ongoing commentary in this thread.

Post #659 recaps everything nicely.

Shine on, you crazy bitcoin;)
 
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