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Ackshually, that was Reagan, and one of the first things he did as president in '81.

Get learned brah.
Actually *proper British accent* , we have been using our satellite agency to craft your thoughts, and stamp out the competition, since before your grandparents were born, old chap!

Office of Strategic Services - Wikipedia. The OSS was the forerunner to the CIA.
On the suggestion of William Stephenson, the senior British intelligence officer in the western hemisphere, Roosevelt requested that William J. Donovan draft a plan for an intelligence service based on the British Secret Intelligence Service (MI6) and Special Operations Executive (SOE).
Thereafter the organization was developed with British assistance; Donovan had responsibilities but no actual powers and the existing US agencies were skeptical if not hostile. Until some months after Pearl Harbor, the bulk of OSS intelligence came from the UK. British Security Co-ordination (BSC) trained the first OSS agents in Canada, until training stations were set up in the US with guidance from BSC instructors, who also provided information on how the SOE was arranged and managed. The British immediately made available their short-wave broadcasting capabilities to Europe, Africa, and the Far East and provided equipment for agents until American production was established.[7]

We British are so delightfully helpful and charitable, doing all this out of the goodness of our hearts! Our actions across the rest of the world, bringing the primitives into the light of modernity.. we are doing the lords work * humming God save the King *

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'Turbo cancers' sound like absolute fear mongering bullshit. Believe what you want but literally all sides of this debate are as full of shit as each other.
I do agree there are grifters on the anti pharmaceutical industry side, but I very much know this particular product causes cancers, as it affects the immune system. We all know people who’s cancer came back after the shots. And it’s a thing that’s been studied and found to be true by many dissident scientists now.
 
Ackshually, that was Reagan, and one of the first things he did as president in '81.

Get learned brah.
Well it was made illegal again, and Barry reauthorized it on his way out. The establishment was complicit in its passing.
 
Well it was made illegal again, and Barry reauthorized it on his way out. The establishment was complicit in its passing.
Lol, no. Stop reading this establishment propaganda outlet.

When Reagan deregulated the media in 81, it made it legal to blatantly lie in the news with the goal of effecting an agenda.

In fact, it made it legal to create exactly the type of pieces as the one you just linked. I'm tellin ya brother, you gotta start questioning everything you read on the internet-- especially from the outlets that share your own political ideology... or else you're just as brainwashed as the triple vaxxed mask bunnies.

It legalized the CIA, military, etc, being able to pay journalists to write whatever they want to influence American thought.

Did you know prior to '81 that TV news broadcast media actually had to provide bipartisan viewpoints on every political report they made? It wasn't so ridiculously slanted and fraudulent as it is today.

Also Reagan is the biggest establishment fuck ever.
 
Lol, no. Stop reading this establishment propaganda outlet.

When Reagan deregulated the media in 81, it made it legal to blatantly lie in the news with the goal of effecting an agenda.

In fact, it made it legal to create exactly the type of pieces as the one you just linked. I'm tellin ya brother, you gotta start questioning everything you read on the internet-- especially from the outlets that share your own political ideology... or else you're just as brainwashed as the triple vaxxed mask bunnies.

It legalized the CIA, military, etc, being able to pay journalists to write whatever they want to influence American thought.

Did you know prior to '81 that TV news broadcast media actually had to provide bipartisan viewpoints on every political report they made? It wasn't so ridiculously slanted and fraudulent as it is today.

Also Reagan is the biggest establishment fuck ever.
I don’t care about the wing nut aspect, only the facts;
It is also true, however, that in 2013 President Barack Obama signed into law the Smith-Mundt Modernization Act (H.R. 5736), making it legal for government-produced media—such as was broadcast overseas by Voice of America, Radio Free Europe, and other outlets throughout the Cold War—to be directed toward U.S. citizens themselves. Needless to say, such government-penned narratives spin the news so as to reflect favorably upon the United States. To understand the sheer power of the Smith-Mundt Modernization Act, it suffices to do a quick Google of the name of this piece of legislation to see how it has generated a logical quandary befitting of Orwell’s Nineteen Eigthy-Four. For if it is true that the American people are being propagandized by the U.S. government through its control of the major media outlets and tech giants, then any assertion to that effect will be countered—and ultimately defeated—by yet more government propaganda.

The fact that the complete negation of the original Smith-Mundt Act was deceptively labeled the Smith-Mundt Modernization Act marked the first stage in what might be termed the Orwellian turn. Unsurprisingly, a lengthy list of articles calling out the alleged piece of “disinformation” that “Barack Obama legalized government propaganda against citizens” appears at the top of the Google search results. Among the critics who warned about the new Act was now-deceased investigative journalist Michael Hastings, who also, it is worth mentioning, expressed concern about the dangerous influence of the Pentagon’s “public relations” wing, which already by 2009 employed 27,000 persons full-time as war marketeers. A number of other notable figures who sounded alarms about the dangers of government propaganda and overreach are now dead, imprisoned, or living in exile.
The Smith-Mundt Modernization Act of 2012 (signed into law as a part of the National Defense Authorization Act of 2013) arguably set the United States on the path toward the erection of a full-fledged Ministry of Truth and the consequent shrinking of citizens’ liberty. Only time will tell whether this piece of legislation alone will suffice, as deployed by the new Disinformation Governance Board, to strip citizens of their First Amendment right to free speech when they attempt to reject the first premises of the DGB itself. If so, then Barack Obama will bear primary responsibility for the totalitarian system to ensue, whatever his intentions may have been.

For with the Smith-Mundt Modernization Act already in place, there are only two short steps to the complete squelching of dissent. First, the government controls the media through injecting many pro-government texts into the marketplace of ideas. This is obviously already being done, and has been unabashedly pursued since the ratification of the Act. (To dispel any doubts that this is happening, it suffices to turn on the mainstream network news.) Second, among the government-promoted ideas will now be the claim that the newly established Disinformation Governance Board does not violate the Constitution of the United States. Once lawmakers have been persuaded to believe this, then the DGB will have the power to eliminate what they themselves have identified as disinformation, including the very claim that the DGB is illegitimate. After that will follow the censorship of the texts of anyone who disagrees with the government and, ultimately, the criminalization of those who “persist” in promulgating ideas deemed “threatening” by the powers that be. The danger of all of this to free people is very real, as the plight of whistleblowers in recent years has already revealed.
 
We all know people who’s cancer came back after the shots
Do we? I don't know anyone who has cancer or who's cancer has come back. It always seems that the anti covid vax people have these horror stories which totally confirm their opinions.

this particular product causes cancers, as it affects the immune system

Honestly, the re-emergence of health issues post covid, which does seem to have increased, could just be a result of the disastrous and illiberal lockdown policies and the pause many people placed on getting ongoing medical treatment. At the very least, that policy had to lead to some negative health outcomes for the vulnerable, yeah?

You're committing the correlation equals causation fallacy; just because covid vaccines effect the immune system doesn't mean they cause cancer. I'm obviously not a medical professional, I don't know what causes cancer or why and your simplistic statement here kinda suggests you also know, to use the technical terms, fuck all as well 🤪
 
Honestly, the re-emergence of health issues post covid, which does seem to have increased, could just be a result of the disastrous and illiberal lockdown policies and the pause many people placed on getting ongoing medical treatment. At the very least, that policy had to lead to some negative health outcomes for the vulnerable, yeah?
I wonder what your timeframe would be for this explanation no longer being sufficient, if excess deaths continue to maintain their current trajectory. If we're still seeing anywhere from 7% to 15%+ excess deaths by Christmas, are you still going to assume this is all because of backlog? What about next Summer?

Nearly 100,000 more deaths involving heart conditions and stroke than usual since pandemic began - BHF
There have been more excess deaths involving cardiovascular conditions than any other disease groups in this analysis – a total of 96,540 since 21st March 2020, the analysis of data from the Office for Health Improvement and Disparities (OHID) finds.
Of course in that British Heart Foundation article they reach for the default, which is Covid has something to do with this massive rise in cardiovascular deaths. Again, I wonder what their timeframe is going to be if current trends continue.

At what point does the default explanation, in your analysis, lose its integrity?

Not every person in the excess deaths category is going to be due to backlog - humans are pretty resilient, only those who are already on a serious downward heath trajectory are surely those who are going to be done in by any backlog.. which can't be the entire percentage of excess deaths.
 
At what point does the default explanation, in your analysis, lose its integrity?
I don't know. Because I'm not an expert who has devoted his life to studying this, I'm as ignorant as you. Delaying medical treatment seems plausible to me, to you humans are more resilient than that unless they've been vaccinated. Neither of us really have a valuable opinion on this topic tbh as we absolutely lack the expertise to understand all the factors at play here.
 
Internet warriors way too quick to blame the vaccine for everything, because their brain is actively seeking to confirm their conspiracy bias.

Covid infection itself causes identical heart related issues compared to the vaccine.

The truth is often boring. Occam's razor is a dull instrument.

Some people have no humility when it comes to understanding science. They believe whatever they are told by their preferred source, which is exactly what they claim of people who got the vaccine.

It's all very silly and headache inducing, which is why I stay out of these covid threads now.
 
Deaths among young Americans documented in employee life insurance claims should alone set off alarms. Among working people 35 to 44 years old, a stunning 34% more died than expected in the last quarter of 2022, with above-average rates in other working-age groups, too.


I'm not saying it's for sure the vaccines but I mean maybe we should be looking into whether or not they played a role, rather than just dismissing it out of hand?
 
I don't need medical experts to tell me the shots are bad, I can just rely on my intuition
 
I don't need medical experts to tell me the shots are bad, I can just rely on my intuition

I've met some uneducated men that did well in life by trusting their gut, and also some highly educated men who did poorly in life because they were so beholden to scientific dogma that they never listened to their gut.

Sometimes, intuition is wrong... but sometimes it's the only signal you can trust.
 
I don't know. Because I'm not an expert who has devoted his life to studying this, I'm as ignorant as you. Delaying medical treatment seems plausible to me, to you humans are more resilient than that unless they've been vaccinated. Neither of us really have a valuable opinion on this topic tbh as we absolutely lack the expertise to understand all the factors at play here.
Credentialism helps many cope. There are just as many experts that disagree with your favored view, same goes for me. I don’t care what you believe, just for the love of god think about what you put in your body. The pharmaceutical industry isn’t trustworthy, even if the media and your entire social clique implore you to believe it to be, it just simply is not. The Covid vaccine did nothing for the greater good. The majority of the population was heavily propagandized into believing things without any truth behind them.
 
People's personal experience shouldn't be dismissed because the powers that be don't want to report on that.
What is wrong with people who trust the folks that gave pregnant women thalidomide? That drug was actually tested before released to the public. So why is it so hard to believe an untested drug could be harmful?
 
People's personal experience shouldn't be dismissed because the powers that be don't want to report on that.
What is wrong with people who trust the folks that gave pregnant women thalidomide? That drug was actually tested before released to the public. So why is it so hard to believe an untested drug could be harmful?
Why would they capitulate, and allow “horse paste” to be used to treat Covid 19? It’s almost as if they had to deny it to keep pushing their poison with a EUA.
 
Oh ya, metion that 2 year's ago and you were a conspiracy antiscience nut. The scary part is what it has caused. The federal police are turning up at people's homes in Canada when they opposed Trudeau on YouTube. The emergency act. Complete power grab. Biggest money transfer.
We lost some pretty significant rights in Canada due to this. Happening everywhere. And it's easy to see if you pay attention but the propaganda worked well.
Already starting a new strain scare for flu season.
 
I'm not saying it's for sure the vaccines but I mean maybe we should be looking into whether or not they played a role, rather than just dismissing it out of hand?
It's funny, during the pandemic the news media and politicians couldn't go more than a few hours without repeating the latest statistics, showing animated graphs that made it abundantly clear that death was all around! But the WHO has declared the emergency over, yet excess death rates are still anywhere from 7%-15%+ depending on where you are, and the media and politicians are absolutely silent about it.

It's easy to suggest it's all down to the backlog in the health services. So, why haven't the media and politicians stated this unequivocally? If after all the vaccines are safe and effective, and disinformation is on par with terrorism, then why have these establishment figures not stated it? Why when pressed in British Parliament by one single fucking MP have these snakes walked out of the chamber or just not bothered to even be there? I think the answer is pretty simple. None of them want to go on record stating something that could then be used as evidence against them at a later date, so they choose to remain silent. Remaining silent also prevents discussion, which ultimately leads to question and investigation.

7%-15% above average, sustained across the EU and elsewhere, is just incredible. Actually incredible.
 
Why would they capitulate, and allow “horse paste” to be used to treat Covid 19? It’s almost as if they had to deny it to keep pushing their poison with a EUA.
Lol. Remember how many people on here fell for the media and FDA attacking ivermectin back then?

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