The Dive's Covid Thread

[JGrimez]

the autism- vaccine link is one fucking stupid and very old and dusty conspiracy theory. why should we waste time on it? might as well be talking about the "angry god- st. anthony's fire" link.

You're going to have to update your thinking because the link is there. Your new excuse could be "they've found a link but is extremely rare"




^this stuff should be all over the mainstream news (that way people like nepalnt21 will be able to hear it)
But it's up to a lefty stoner comedian to report on Dr. John Campbell's findings and the European Summit

 

[nepalnt21]

You're going to have to update your thinking because the link is there. Your new excuse could be "they've found a link but is extremely rare"

last time i checked, autism has almost certainly got a genetic basis.

do you have an article? journal article? something that's not from some blogger or celebrity? i don't get my info from videos, very rarely at least. articles allow me to much more quickly and effectively glean the pertinent info.

^this stuff should be all over the mainstream news (that way people like nepalnt21 will be able to hear it)

funny, yet ironic. especially considering i've said a million times i NEVER fucking watch the news and read articles from all over the political spectrum. you should try it. it's good.

 

[Illyria99]

Debate is good, I don't understand why it so often has to involve so much anger, though. Both sides are smug and spiteful. Just once I'd enjoy logging on and seeing people posting their opinions and evidence without a flood of kneejerk sanctimonious bile in response.

Usually, I don't take things very seriously in regards to differing opinions, especially online. However, I will admit to being occasionally triggered when it comes to this particular topic. Mind you, I really don't care if someone chooses to be vaccinated, that's their choice and has absolutely nothing to do with me. It's when they keep insisting that everyone needs to follow their lead that things can become a bit...tedious. I don't like being preached at. Especially when the "science" involved is a bit dodgy, to say the least.

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

Usually, I don't take things very seriously in regards to differing opinions, especially online. However, I will admit to being occasionally triggered when it comes to this particular topic. Mind you, I really don't care if someone chooses to be vaccinated, that's their choice and has absolutely nothing to do with me. It's when they keep insisting that everyone needs to follow their lead, things can become a bit...tedious. I don't like being preached at.

Absolutely


if government and big pharma weren't colluding and trying to force everybody to get these shots, this topic wouldn't even be what it is

so fuck all those ppl - they're all the same heaping pile of shit motherfuckers and i hope they get whats should be coming to them

 

[Illyria99]

If government and big pharma weren't colluding and trying to force everybody to get these shots, this topic wouldn't even be what it is

Exactly. Plus, the constant media fear mongering, with television presenters going on and on about how everyone NEEDED to be vaccinated. People being threatened with losing their jobs unless they agreed to get the jab. Then came the insistance that people NEEDED boosters. All very suspect, none of it making sense. I opted out. I know bullshit when I see it.

 

[Electrum1]

100%, unadulterated bullshit.


why do you push falsehoods? nobody is advertizing that they are supposed to 100% zap every last virus except antivaxxers. it's 'advertized' to lower your chances of dying or being hospitalized. that's all. it isn't a magic "sterilizing immunity" imparting potion.

Alright I read that far. The director of the CDC, politicians and talk show hosts literally told us that the shots stop infection and transmission, and I assume you know that happened

There's lots of videos of them saying that, but here's one I found pretty quickly

 

[Las Veghost grower]

It's weird watching the tribal warfare over covid vaccine "debate". Even on here, perhaps the most civil political discourse community that doesn't censor one side or the other that I am aware of. Debate is good, I don't understand why it so often has to involve so much anger, though. Both sides are smug and spiteful. Just once I'd enjoy logging on and seeing people posting their opinions and evidence without a flood of kneejerk sanctimonious bile in response.

If you really think about it there is no such thing as legitimate evidence one way or the other….the best you can do is look at what’s going on around you

 

[Electrum1]

Lol I forgot about this video

 

[Jabberwocky]

If vaccines are so safe, why are the manufactures so afraid of court?
Why do they need to be exempt from liability for damages or from producing faulty products?

If capitalism is so great, why do LLCs exist?

If the US president is so great, why are they immune from virtually all legal complaints?

If human beings are created by God, why do some of them rape and murder children?

Duality, while born of logic, is seemingly undefined by it.

Use your brain while trying to be a smartass.

 

[Jabberwocky]

And btw, it's not some abnormal precedent for creators of a medication are immune from legal action.... just look at the opioid crisis. It's the norm.

That's western capitalism we all "voted" for.

 

[Droppersneck]

That's exactly why the anti-MRNA vaxx stuff seems so fishy to many as well. So many who provide statistics of people dying suddenly were against the vaccines even before their use. Its confirmation bias and motivated reasoning. Unfortunately for humanity, those foibles are almost fundamental to how our brains parse information.

Can you watch this scientists analysis and tell me where she’s wrong or where the deception is?

VAXXED BLOOD vs. UNVAXXED BLOOD

www.bitchute.com

 

[Xorkoth]

If you really think about it there is no such thing as legitimate evidence one way or the other….the best you can do is look at what’s going on around you

I would say that there is actually definitely legitimate evidence for all sorts of things, which is substantially better than forming beliefs based on what you assume about the things you see around you, but that these days, it's very difficult to determine whether what you read or hear is legitimate, and it's a huge problem we're facing as a society.

 

[nepalnt21]

Alright I read that far. The director of the CDC, politicians and talk show hosts literally told us that the shots stop infection and transmission, and I assume you know that happened

There's lots of videos of them saying that, but here's one I found pretty quickly

yeah, and i'm sure if you go back far enough you can find posts where i slam the cdc for jumping the gun on that one. they said it was ok for me to take my two kids (one newborn) to see family if said family was vaccinated. they fucked up bigtime. it wasnt the first time, and won't be the last. (incidentally, the fda also dragged their feet on authorizing the vaxx for 6mo to 5 years, and fauci assumed the talking head position for the fda and tried to bullshit on that one... i was pretty pissed)

but since VERY soon after the vaccines rolled out, we the general public have had the knowledge that the vaccines are NOT sterilizing- immunity- imparting (and i have even read an article where they make a good case for '100% sterilizing immunity' being a myth) .

and the only people that push this idea of the vaccines giving us 100% impenetrable- bug- shields are the painfully uninformed (perhaps good faith but lazy), and the dishonest (for instance, the bad- faith antivaxxers).

so now, as you can see, we all know what they do... the vaccines, as advertised, work. they work to reduce severity of symptoms, and they work to slightly shrink the window of virus shedding upon contraction of the disease. that's how they are advertised, and that's what they do.

i bet you also would cite the cdc changing their definition of 'vaccine' as evidence that the vaccines are not vaccines. since when is the cdc the only source for medical definitions? the vaccines ARE, in fact vaccines no matter how many people whine about it. they impart some level/ form of immunity, hence they are vaccines. vaccines do not need to impart sterilizing immunity to be vaccines, and as i'd mentioned earlier... this sterlizing immunity stuff might be a myth anyway, which would make it so that all vaccines are actually not vaccines. which makes no sense... so clearly the covid vaccines are vaccines.

 

[JGrimez]

If capitalism is so great, why do LLCs exist?

If the US president is so great, why are they immune from virtually all legal complaints?

If human beings are created by God, why do some of them rape and murder children?

Duality, while born of logic, is seemingly undefined by it.

Use your brain while trying to be a smartass.

You thought you were being smart but actually showing your stupidity by not answering (or not understanding) the question.

Show me one other product that doesn't have to go through proper safety testing, and one where the manufacturers hold no liability if they sell you an adulterated product that disables you or kills you.

If you don't have any problem with vaccine manufacturers holding no liability AND you support mandated vaccines - then you're a special kind of stupid.

 

[JGrimez]

And btw, it's not some abnormal precedent for creators of a medication are immune from legal action.... just look at the opioid crisis. It's the norm.

That's western capitalism we all "voted" for.

Purdue Pharma (aka the Sackler family) were taken to court by 49 of 50 states.
They were held liable and had to pay out hundreds of millions (which was a pittance compared to the suspected $5-10 billion that they profited).
Their profits were protected by a trust and the details of the case were hid from the public via gag order.
We only know many of these details thanks to whistleblowers

 

[JGrimez]

yeah, and i'm sure if you go back far enough you can find posts where i slam the cdc for jumping the gun on that one. they said it was ok for me to take my two kids (one newborn) to see family if said family was vaccinated. they fucked up bigtime. it wasnt the first time, and won't be the last. (incidentally, the fda also dragged their feet on authorizing the vaxx for 6mo to 5 years, and fauci assumed the talking head position for the fda and tried to bullshit on that one... i was pretty pissed)

but since VERY soon after the vaccines rolled out, we the general public have had the knowledge that the vaccines are NOT sterilizing- immunity- imparting (and i have even read an article where they make a good case for '100% sterilizing immunity' being a myth) .

and the only people that push this idea of the vaccines giving us 100% impenetrable- bug- shields are the painfully uninformed (perhaps good faith but lazy), and the dishonest (for instance, the bad- faith antivaxxers).

so now, as you can see, we all know what they do... the vaccines, as advertised, work. they work to reduce severity of symptoms, and they work to slightly shrink the window of virus shedding upon contraction of the disease. that's how they are advertised, and that's what they do.

i bet you also would cite the cdc changing their definition of 'vaccine' as evidence that the vaccines are not vaccines. since when is the cdc the only source for medical definitions? the vaccines ARE, in fact vaccines no matter how many people whine about it. they impart some level/ form of immunity, hence they are vaccines. vaccines do not need to impart sterilizing immunity to be vaccines, and as i'd mentioned earlier... this sterlizing immunity stuff might be a myth anyway, which would make it so that all vaccines are actually not vaccines. which makes no sense... so clearly the covid vaccines are vaccines.

They lied about the basic stated purpose of the mRNA injections - but I'll get them anyway.

Big brain,

 

[nepalnt21]

They lied about the basic stated purpose of the mRNA injections - but I'll get them anyway.

Big brain,

who tf are "they", what is the 'stated' purpose, and why would you rely on any one source? please be less vague.

big brain.

edit

oh, i see... you erroneously assumed that i simply just follow what the cdc says. i forgive you for making such a retarded mistake.

 

[JGrimez]

last time i checked, autism has almost certainly got a genetic basis.

do you have an article? journal article? something that's not from some blogger or celebrity? i don't get my info from videos, very rarely at least. articles allow me to much more quickly and effectively glean the pertinent info.

Andrew Wakefield's work was later vindicated by the Lancet. So all of those character assassinations and destroying of his career and reputation for nothing. That was journal work published in the BMJ but you'll find some reason to dismiss it instead of looking at the findings. BTW Wakefield never said - don't get the MMR vaccine. He simply suggested that it would be safer for children to split up the doses into 3 shots instead of delivering them in one dose (is that antivaxx rhetoric?). Your problem is that you don't actually want the truth, you just don't want it to be true.

Then there is the scandal (reported on in VAXXED) where CDC whistleblower Thompson spoke out because the CDC was discarding studies showing a link between MMR vaccine and autism in african-american boys aged 12-18 months. Does the fact that they tried to throw these studies away cause the gears in your head to start turning at all? Then there was also the scandal from Utah where the authorities got exposed manipulating the figures by lowering the numbers of people suffering from autism.

Thimerosal (Mercury) in Vaccines Causing Autism

The FDA continues to turn a blind eye on the increasing body of data that proves that the thimerosal (mercury) in vaccines is causing autism....

rumble.com

RFK Jr. on Autism Rates

“Autism rates have exploded from 1 in 10,000 children to 1 in 34 children since the 1990s… The CDC itself said this could be the vaccines.”

rumble.com

The data is clear: the more vaccines you give your child, the more likely it is that they will develop chronic diseases including autism​

who tf are "they", what is the 'stated' purpose, and why would you rely on any one source? please be less vague.

Multiple sources of authority. Head of CDC, head of Pharma companies, MSM anchors, the fucking president of the USA - all promised us that the vaccine would prevent spread of the virus.
Oh well, they lied about that.
They also lied about the efficacy
Lied about the legitimacy of the studies (wasn't tested on pregnant women for eg).
They lied about so many things but people still trust their products. I feel bad for ignorant people but some of them deserve to die based on how stupid they are.

 

[JGrimez]

oh, i see... you erroneously assumed that i simply just follow what the cdc says. i forgive you for making such a retarded mistake.

BTW this a word I use often so I need to know - does it go against the soyboy lefty rules of this forum to say retarded?

 

[Fire&Water]

... only if youre a snitch