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The Dive's Covid Thread

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Now many more people will do some research into all the vaccines on the schedule - and ideally refuse all of them for their children.
Until proper safety testing is done like RFK Jr. is demanding. And hearing a (sane) presidential candidate talk about there being scientific evidence linking vaccines with autism is going to educate a lot of people (if ABC doesn't keep censoring out what he says LOL)
hopefully you have zero ability to allow a kid to die of tetanus.

the autism- vaccine link is one fucking stupid and very old and dusty conspiracy theory. why should we waste time on it? might as well be talking about the "angry god- st. anthony's fire" link.
 
One day when I have kids, I'll tell them about how I refused to have a BULLSHIT vaccine, yet never got sick.
and hopefully they'll have learned critical thinking from someone else and can call out your fallacious silliness

(''hey mom/ dad - you do know that although covid-19 killed millions in the first couple of years, up to 50% of people showed no symptoms? and the vaccine was never supposed to completely stop the virus from being introduced, but had always substantially reduced the severity of symptoms? you know that, right? grandma, mom/ dad's face is doing that vacant look/ drooley thing again!")
 
and hopefully they'll have learned critical thinking from someone else and can call out your fallacious silliness

(''hey mom/ dad - you do know that although covid-19 killed millions in the first couple of years, up to 50% of people showed no symptoms? and the vaccine was never supposed to completely stop the virus from being introduced, but had always substantially reduced the severity of symptoms? you know that, right? grandma, mom/ dad's face is doing that vacant look/ drooley thing again!")

Funny how the Vax Squad gets so butthurt when someone dares to disagree with their "science." Then again, that experimental vaccine is all the rage, right? Doesn't cure anything, but hey, let's get it because the media and the government told us to.

Oh wait... shouldn't you be getting your next booster shot or something? Enjoy!
 
read my comment again, i think you missed some key points. @Illyria99

and yes, i get butthurt when people threaten to raise trend followers that lack critical reasoning abilities. we are raising our future, afterall.

but really, i was just correcting some common misconceptions that i saw you imply. not butthurt by you disagreeing, just your fallacious reasoning.
 
I guess Critical thinking/reasoning ability is taking a shot (multiple times) that's a new medical technology for humans with no long term safety data because government bureaucrats and pharmaceutical companies told you it's the right thing to do and know what's best for you

Why would I even question that and risk possibly getting labeled as a non critical thinker?
 
@Mr. Krinkle

which vaccines did you refuse?

can someone else ask him? i think for whatever reason he has me muted even though that means i can still see his comments and respond to them.

MMR is the only 1 she got but she didn't get that until she was 6

Tetanus shot is the one that gave me anaphylaxis when I was 10
 
and hopefully they'll have learned critical thinking from someone else and can call out your fallacious silliness

(''hey mom/ dad - you do know that although covid-19 killed millions in the first couple of years, up to 50% of people showed no symptoms? and the vaccine was never supposed to completely stop the virus from being introduced, but had always substantially reduced the severity of symptoms? you know that, right? grandma, mom/ dad's face is doing that vacant look/ drooley thing again!")
You seem to have an obsession with 'old' people/things/ideas?

'dusty' etc..

Can we chat about your sublimated, fear of aging and how it may influences your thinking? 🧐

It'll only cost you $120/hr or, alternatively, you could take a new progressive, technology ...just sign here_ & here_ & you will be issued a number for tele-health, life enhancement.

 

Majority of COVID Hospital Deaths Were Due to Untreated Bacterial Pneumonia​


Hospitals sticking to the strict hand-me-down, highly profitable “COVID protocol” may have doomed a majority of admitted COVID-19 patients to death due to a perfect storm of institutional failure, a new study shows.

Now a study from the National Institutes of Health-funded researchers in Chicago has found that unresolved respiratory infections — not necessarily those involved in SARS-CoV-2 — were present in people who failed to “respond” to mechanical ventilation.


The authors wrote:


“Recent data suggest that secondary pneumonia is present in up to 40% and pneumonia or diffuse alveolar damage is present in over 90% of autopsy specimens obtained from patients with acute SARS-CoV-2 infection (18).


“Consistent with these observations, we and others found high rates of ventilator-associated pneumonia (VAP) in patients with SARS-CoV-2 pneumonia requiring mechanical ventilation, suggesting that bacterial superinfections such as VAP may contribute to mortality in patients with COVID-19 (7, 19–22).


“These findings prompt an alternative hypothesis that a relatively low mortality rate directly attributable to primary SARS-CoV-2 infection is offset by a greater risk of death attributable to unresolving VAP (23).”


They concluded:


“These data suggest mortality associated with severe SARS-CoV-2 pneumonia is more often associated with respiratory failure that increases the risk of unresolving VAP and is less frequently associated with multiple-organ dysfunction.”

Unsurprisingly, the study found that people with bacterial pneumonia who were on ventilators had the highest mortality.


 
Tetanus shot is the one that gave me anaphylaxis when I was 10

Damn that sucks, I can see then why you'd be hesitant to get it for your daughter, she shares genes with you, after all. tetanus is some scary shit, though. That's one of the only ones I actually have felt sketched out NOT having (the others were given to me as a kid for the most part, other than the covid ones I did, which I probably wouldn't do if I could do it over, but I'm not really concerned about the others since they've been more or less contained/eliminated). Tetanus sounds like some of the worst shit that could ever happen to you.
 
Zero deceased of 18–49 years of age with no underlying morbidities,” the Israel Ministry of Health (MOH) said in response to a formal request from an attorney.
“Zero is a very, very clear number, and cannot be subject to interpretation,” Yoav Yehezkelli, a specialist in internal medicine and medical management, and former lecturer in the Department of Emergency and Disaster Management at Tel Aviv University in Israel, told The Epoch Times.

Why were all the extreme measures of school closures, vaccination of children, and lockdowns needed?he added.

Freedom of Information Request​

The information was sparked by a freedom of information request filed by attorney Ori Xabi, who has been filing several such requests as he seeks to obtain information from the MOH regarding the COVID-19 pandemic and COVID-19 policies.

Xabi asked to know the average age of people who died of COVID-19, segmented by vaccination status at the time of death; how many COVID-19 patients with no underlying morbidities under the age of 50 died; and the annual number of cardiac arrest cases between 2018 to 2022.

According to the MOH response, the average age of vaccinated COVID-19 patients who died was 80.2 years. The average for the unvaccinated was 77.4 years.
There's that magical average number again. Same as the UK. Which was knew within a few months from the start of 2020.

It was only ever killing the elderly and those with existing co-morbidities i.e. those already at deaths door.

I keep saying it. It's all bullshit. Propaganda and statistical trickery i.e. a coordinated psychological warfare operation.
 

Majority of COVID Hospital Deaths Were Due to Untreated Bacterial Pneumonia​


Hospitals sticking to the strict hand-me-down, highly profitable “COVID protocol” may have doomed a majority of admitted COVID-19 patients to death due to a perfect storm of institutional failure, a new study shows.

Now a study from the National Institutes of Health-funded researchers in Chicago has found that unresolved respiratory infections — not necessarily those involved in SARS-CoV-2 — were present in people who failed to “respond” to mechanical ventilation.


The authors wrote:


“Recent data suggest that secondary pneumonia is present in up to 40% and pneumonia or diffuse alveolar damage is present in over 90% of autopsy specimens obtained from patients with acute SARS-CoV-2 infection (18).


“Consistent with these observations, we and others found high rates of ventilator-associated pneumonia (VAP) in patients with SARS-CoV-2 pneumonia requiring mechanical ventilation, suggesting that bacterial superinfections such as VAP may contribute to mortality in patients with COVID-19 (7, 19–22).


“These findings prompt an alternative hypothesis that a relatively low mortality rate directly attributable to primary SARS-CoV-2 infection is offset by a greater risk of death attributable to unresolving VAP (23).”


They concluded:


“These data suggest mortality associated with severe SARS-CoV-2 pneumonia is more often associated with respiratory failure that increases the risk of unresolving VAP and is less frequently associated with multiple-organ dysfunction.”

Unsurprisingly, the study found that people with bacterial pneumonia who were on ventilators had the highest mortality.


That’s why GOOD doctors in my country didn’t hesitate at all prescribing antibiotics preventively to anyone with serious risk of complications from covid. That “irresponsible” practice of some old-skul doctors saved some lives I’m sure. If it was much more widespread a lot less deaths would happen.
 
MMR is the only 1 she got but she didn't get that until she was 6

Tetanus shot is the one that gave me anaphylaxis when I was 10
tetanus is worse than anaphylaxis, js... both in mortality rate and severity of symptoms. tetanus is probably a worse way to go than death cap poisoning. might be the worst way to go from a pathogen that i know of. maybe not.

I keep saying it. It's all bullshit. Propaganda and statistical trickery i.e. a coordinated psychological warfare operation.
rrriiiiight, an out-of-context number from looking at 3/40ths of a population from one country totally undermines the years of numbers from all over the world. and not to mention, the people behind this public rEvELAtioN (epoch times? elon musk?) make the same mistake as many under- informed before them of sticking 18 y.o. ppl in with everyone under 18... which i've demonstrated numerous times in these threads is fucking stupid.


I guess Critical thinking/reasoning ability is taking a shot (multiple times) that's a new medical technology for humans with no long term safety data because government bureaucrats and pharmaceutical companies told you it's the right thing to do and know what's best for you

Why would I even question that and risk possibly getting labeled as a non critical thinker?
why is it that the main antivaxx crew always assumes a hive mentality? is it because you yourself constantly engage in groupthink?

is it impossible for you to consider that i looked at how the vaccines went through the same number of trials and had been given to MILLION of people before i went and received my vaxx? that i looked at how many people were being crippled by the virus and took into account the obviously MASSIVELY more numerous, deadly, and dangerous bad outcomes from it as compared to the vaccines (something i have yet to see seriously challenged in these threads, or really anywhere)?
 
why is it that the main antivaxx crew always assumes a hive mentality? is it because you yourself constantly engage in groupthink?
I've already said I'm not against vaccines, I'm against covid shots, which aren't vaccines and don't work as advertised, but keep labeling me antivaxx all you want even tho it's ironic for you to do that in the same post as your groupthink comment
is it impossible for you to consider that i looked at how the vaccines went through the same number of trials
All of the (rushed) trials they went through before being released to the public took less time than a single phase 3 trial normally does, and there still isn't long term clinical safety data
 
covid shots, which aren't vaccines
100%, unadulterated bullshit.

and don't work as advertised,
why do you push falsehoods? nobody is advertizing that they are supposed to 100% zap every last virus except antivaxxers. it's 'advertized' to lower your chances of dying or being hospitalized. that's all. it isn't a magic "sterilizing immunity" imparting potion.

All of the (rushed) trials they went through before being released to the public took less time than a single phase 3 trial normally does
because they did the same exact trials they would have done, except they did them parallel to eachother instead of in series. which you'd know if you looked this stuff up on your own instead of blindly trusting grifters and non- expert bloggers.

and there still isn't long term clinical safety data
we have a year more data from covid-19, guess which has killed and handicapped a level of magnitude more... why exactly should we assume there are going to be bad outcomes YEARS later from the vaccines? (everything is fine and dandy and then BOOM 5 years later heart explodes... rrriiiiiight)
 
well when you suddenly disappear and we don't have to read your bullshit anymore, we'll be safe to assume what happened


Heart Attack Fred Sanford GIF by MOODMAN
 
nobody is advertizing that they are supposed to 100% zap every last virus except antivaxxers. it's 'advertized' to lower your chances of dying or being hospitalized. that's all. it isn't a magic "sterilizing immunity" imparting potion.

Funny how so many of us who've NEVER had the death shot are completely healthy, have always tested negative, and have never been hospitalized for this bullshit. On the other hand, you have people who've gotten the shot but many of them HAVE become ill, been hospitalized, and died.

Silly me, I've always assumed that vaccines were supposed to actually work. If that's not the case, why the fuck would any sane person subject themselves to it? Oh, yes! I nearly forgot....the media and government were practically blackmailing people into doing it.
 
i've long been told that "liberals" are smug and superior but it's great to see a thread full of non-liberals really ratchet up the sanctimonious smugness to a very great degree :)

feels good man.

alasdair
 
Propaganda and statistical trickery i.e. a coordinated psychological warfare operation.
That's exactly why the anti-MRNA vaxx stuff seems so fishy to many as well. So many who provide statistics of people dying suddenly were against the vaccines even before their use. Its confirmation bias and motivated reasoning. Unfortunately for humanity, those foibles are almost fundamental to how our brains parse information.
 
It's weird watching the tribal warfare over covid vaccine "debate". Even on here, perhaps the most civil political discourse community that doesn't censor one side or the other that I am aware of. Debate is good, I don't understand why it so often has to involve so much anger, though. Both sides are smug and spiteful. Just once I'd enjoy logging on and seeing people posting their opinions and evidence without a flood of kneejerk sanctimonious bile in response.
 
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