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The Dive's Covid Thread

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Las Veghost grower said:
I never understood why people look at BBC as a reputable source for information, they may have had journalistic integrity at one point, but it seems that point was a while ago
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says you who regularly quotes the Daily Mail ;)

I get your drift though...although the BBC isn't quite as gagged and propaganda-ised as some make it out to be...it leans heavily but there's still plenty of bbc material which openly questions stuff they apparently endorse
 
ageingpartyfiend said:
says you who regularly quotes the Daily Mail ;)

I get your drift though...although the BBC isn't quite as gagged and propaganda-ised as some make it out to be...it leans heavily but there's still plenty of bbc material which openly questions stuff they apparently endorse
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When have I ever quoted daily mail ? I don’t even watch daily mail ha
 
ageingpartyfiend said:
Sounds shit news re your heart, very unlucky - grim

So it's perma damage? That sounds quite different from the usually-very-temporary mycocarditis that's sometimes reported.

Multiple doctors and a cardiologist verified? Sounds genuine then. They must have given you a detailed explaination as to the problem then - can you share that with us? What's the damage?
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on the notes I have it is written cardiomyopathy and arrhythmia due to severe myocarditis and partial heart failure due to the Pfizer vaccine.

This has impacted my quality of life greatly and i swear the only reason im even alive is cause of the fucking assortment of heart meds I have to take now.

The part that fucked me off the most is how pzifer made every country waive any legal rights to sueing their asses over the vaccine. Fucking greedy bunch of big pharma cunts have ruined my health. ANd i will never get a single dollar out of those bastards.
 
im still awaiting further ways to treat myself. The waiting list is fucking massive and it may be 3-5 year list in the meanwhile they are trying to decide if surgery will help and the last most radical option is a possible heart transplant. But i don't want to live anymore so i refused both. I will die on my own natural terms whenever it happens.
 
ageingpartyfiend said:
I get your drift though...although the BBC isn't quite as gagged and propaganda-ised as some make it out to be...it leans heavily but there's still plenty of bbc material which openly questions stuff they apparently endorse
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I disagree. I think the BBC has the most sophisticated propaganda of any of the British media outlets - logically this should be true, if there is malign intent by our establishment, because the BBC is the most trusted media institution and has the greatest reach too. It's sneaky and subtle, I think in part because they hide behind that trust and belief people have in them, so they can put on a certain tone or frame things in a certain way which on the surface appears balanced but in actuality is misleading by omission or distortion. Of course if they can they'll just defer to hiding behind other authorities, as opposed to acknowledging any potential counter arguments in a given context and heaven forbid actually have to discuss them properly.

They're shifty fucks. At least with the Daily Mail or James OBrien on LBC you know where you stand, it's clear cut. The BBC bullshit people with 'we're balanced', nice camera shots and subtle emotive soundtracks. The only time they get shown up is occasionally on BBC Question Time when an erudite and switched on audience member highlights something that conveniently left out - the BBC are masters of the 'Overton window'.

Just thinking, the BBC are a lot like Switzerland. The 'I'm neutral' spiel. Yeah, of course you are buddy! Shifty fucks the Swiss are.

"I hate these filthy Neutrals, Kif. With enemies you know where they stand but with Neutrals, who knows? It sickens me."
 
www.newsweek.com

Was CJ Harris cause of death the COVID vaccine? What we Know, what we don't

Harris' family members told TMZ that he died of a heart attack. An autopsy has been done, but more tests are needed to identify the cause of the singer's death.
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Some conservatives on social media floated the idea that former American Idol contestant CJ Harris died because of the COVID vaccine, even though the cause of death is yet to be confirmed.

The singer died at the age of 31 on Sunday in Jasper, Alabama, the Deadline reported. The county's coroner, Joey Vick, said that Harris arrived at the Walker Baptist Medical Center suffering from health distress. He died shortly after CPR was performed on him.

Harris' family members told TMZ that he died of a heart attack. Meanwhile, an autopsy has been done, but more tests are needed to identify the cause of the singer's death, AL reported.
 
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At least with the Daily Mail or James OBrien on LBC you know where you stand, it's clear cut.
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Well, we know where we stand with 'em - the wider world clearly does not given the plethora of insane mail "news" linked to on this very forum and presented as some kinda reality

Mainly on the 'conspriacy' type threads, ofc.
 
TripSitterNZ said:
on the notes I have it is written cardiomyopathy and arrhythmia due to severe myocarditis and partial heart failure due to the Pfizer vaccine.

This has impacted my quality of life greatly and i swear the only reason im even alive is cause of the fucking assortment of heart meds I have to take now.

The part that fucked me off the most is how pzifer made every country waive any legal rights to sueing their asses over the vaccine. Fucking greedy bunch of big pharma cunts have ruined my health. ANd i will never get a single dollar out of those bastards.
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It actually says "...due to the Pfizer vaccine" on your notes my man?
 
The Guardian is much worse than the BBC. I'm not a fan of either organisation, but there was nothing wrong with that article that I can see.

I asked what were the supposed holes in the article. (SS said there were holes.) No response.

SS claimed the article implied stuff about cases outside the UK. I just re-read it. There isn't a single sentence that does that, that I can see.

Electrum1 posted something about UK excess deaths. Nobody has (so far) replied with a sensible rebuttal to anything in the article. SS acknowledged that the NHS crisis in the UK might well be contributing to excess deaths. So it seems we don't disagree on anything. Case closed?

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Rather than responding to the meat of the article, you guys have spent all your time focusing on the fact that it came from the BBC... Because that's all you got, I assume?

But - hey - fair play. The BBC is obviously less reliable than random openly biased social media accounts where unqualified morons post their inane musings.

Prove me wrong. Try actually discussing the content of the article.
 
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bird.brain said:
I asked what were the supposed holes in the article. (SS said there were holes.) No response. SS claimed the article implied stuff about cases outside the UK. I just re-read it. There isn't a single sentence that does that, that I can see.
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You're still missing the point. The fact that the article says nothing about others countries is the point. There is excess death happening throughout Europe and beyond. None of those countries have an NHS, in fact some have quite good health services. An example would be Japan:

These graphs, from exdeaths-japan.org/en/, show the excess death rate in Japan. What's incredible is that you can clearly see the excess deaths in 2020 are not out of the ordinary at all, in particular during the first few months of 2020 when the virus was supposedly the most deadly but the excess death rate is actually in the negative lol. Then you have a positive excess death started in 2021 about a month or so after mass vaccination begins. Then all through 2022 the excess death is at the upper bound of where it should be, and in fact breaking through (as with most countries) ranging from anywhere from 5% to 20% above where it should be.

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Of course the explanation ranges from health service, to delayed treatment, to suicide/economic hardship/lifestyle changes.. just LOL. Yes they actually abuse Japan's known suicide tendencies as an explanation for the excess death. But of course, no mention of the vaccine.

This is happening everywhere. The attempt to pin the blame on the NHS in this country whilst not even acknowledging that self evident pattern appearing in multiple countries across the world. That's the fucking point. The BBC isn't even reporting it in the article when it bloody well should be, because it is clearly relevant to the narrative they're talking about!! They can't report it, because otherwise they have to begin discussing what the possible causes could be in the other countries, countries which don't have basket case health services like we do here. It would destroy the narrative they are trying to curate.

As for my non response, I've given you a pretty fair exchange of dialogue. But you decided you wanted to take offence from something that was clearly about the BBC and not my beliefs towards you in that instance. Sorry but I can't be fucked to dialogue with you anymore.
 
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I didn't take any offence. No need to apologize. I don't care if we continue to "dialogue".

It seems pretty obvious that you're not engaging further because you can't.

I'm going to respond briefly to a couple of your points here. Up to you if you respond back.

Your point about the BBC "implying things" about other countries is that they didn't say anything at all about other countries? That's not an implication.

It's an article about excess deaths in the UK. I was responding directly to a comment by Electrum1 about excess deaths in the UK. I fail to see how it's infuriating or outrageous that an article written about one country isn't written about the entire world.

You said there were holes in the article and it was implying things about other countries, but you can't pinpoint a single erroneous sentence.

I'm going to assume that you accept the NHS explanation for the UK. I'm happy to go country to country with you, if you like.

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As for Japan, with all due respect, you clearly haven't even looked at the data.

What's incredible is that you can clearly see the excess deaths in 2020 are not out of the ordinary at all, in particular during the first few months of 2020 when the virus was supposedly the most deadly but the excess death rate is actually in the negative lol.
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I already responded to this point with another BLer.

Just look at the cases in Japan in 2020 vs 2022. Somewhere in the vicinity of 95% of the cases occured in 2022.

Deaths didn't spike after vaccinations. The Japanese Vax regime stretched out (pretty evenly) across the entire of 2021. Deaths spiked in 2022 when cases spiked.

You're parroting misinformation.
 
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bird.brain said:
Just look at the cases in Japan in 2020 vs 2022. Somewhere in the vicinity of 95% of the cases occured in 2022.

The cases didn't spike after vaccinations. The Japanese Vax regime stretched out (pretty evenly) across the entire of 2021. Cases didn't spike until 2022.

You're parroting misinformation.
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And has been done to death already, cases mean the square root of fuck all. In the UK we know that they were abusing 'cases' to buff up the covid death statistic by using anyone who tested positive within 28 deaths of death. Even the BBC carried it in small print on their statistical reports on the TV for a long time. We also know a significant portion of positive tests were gained by testing people in hospital environments when they had gone in for something non-covid related.

Parroting misinformation. Lol. Ok, so that's where we are now. Take offence and now reach for the bottom of the barrel. Right, cheerio. I'm done talking to you.
 
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Just look at the cases in Japan in 2020 vs 2022. Somewhere in the vicinity of 95% of the cases occured in 2022.

Deaths didn't spike after vaccinations. The Japanese Vax regime stretched out (pretty evenly) across the entire of 2021. Deaths spiked in 2022 when cases spiked.

You're parroting misinformation.
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Excess deaths spiked with recorded COVID case numbers in Japan.

Saying that you're parroting misinformation wasn't meant to be an insult. That is what you're doing.

In classic anti-vaxxer fashion, you're also being selective with data.

You present mainstream data (Japanese excess deaths) that you think supports your argument (even though it doesn't, at all) and then reject data (Japanese case numbers) because you don't think it supports your argument. Either the numbers can't be trusted or they can. Pick a lane.

Take offence
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Not offended.

the bottom of the barrel.
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The bottom of the barrel?

You've been calling people stupid for pages.

I guess (like ali said) you can dish it but you can't take it.

Right, cheerio. I'm done talking to you.
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Yeah. Have a good one, mate. 👍
 
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