but we're the stupid ones for not trusting the short sighted science and wanting to wait and see
You guys (this isn't directed at Krinkle, he's actually chilled out a bit with COVID) seem super eager to be right about this one?
I don't care if I'm wrong. Not even sure what my opinion is anymore.
Every vaccine has a certain amount of adverse reactions.
Every surgery has a risk of death.
Someone said earlier - I think it was CK? - that the number was 1/800 even though the standard is 1/10000. I didn't fact check this. I'd assume right off the bat that the standard varies depending on the country... and the situation, to some extent?
Logically there should be a mathematical relationship between the risk of death from the virus and the risk of death from the vaccine, rather than capping all vaccines at 1/10000.
COVID was (with Delta) killing a hell of a lot of people.
They said the risk with the vaccine was lower than it turned out to be. How much of this is some kind of grand conspiracy and how much of it stems from the viruses being fast-tracked in order (perhaps misguidedly) to save lives.
The data we have so far reflects this.
We have x recorded COVID deaths and y recorded vaccine deaths.
X > Y
So now, like Donald Trump with his election fraud stuff: the anti-vaxxers declare that the data is bullshit, which feeds into the conspiracy stuff.
There is no solid data to prove that the vaccines are more dangerous than the virus, so far.
It's too early to tell yet, but how long do you guys you planning on waiting?
Like in 10 years if the most reputable studies all unanimously say that the virus killed 1000 times as many people as the vaccines. Would you concede - then - that it's not as incredibly dangerous as some here have suggested? (I'm not sure if the pureblood stuff is a joke.)
I mean: this is hardly a win, yet. Right?
I don't get how you're all so convinced. If you're right about the conspiracy stuff, most of the stuff out there is bullshit. So - in order to have that opinion - you have to accept that most of the info floating around is false... which would lead me to not believe anyone.
I'm still not sure what the selection process is?
Over the past couple of years, the BL anti-vax squad has posted stuff from doctors and scientists and gone out their way to make note of how qualified these people are.
It seems that qualifications are either important or they're not.
I don't think anyone is stupid. I've been pretty insulting from time to time, which I apologize for.
I think this virus has brought out the worst in us. Unfortunately, I think the social toxicity revolving around the pandemic is worse than either the virus or the vaccine.
I'm a grown man, with children of my own, and I had a curfew imposed on me by a government that suddenly invented powers to justify stepping massively over the line. The government went way too far, but I'm not going to lose my mind over it... because it's over.
I would rather have the virus again or be vaccinated again than be as enraged as I used to be. Some of the opinions expressed on this website are downright scary if that is indeed how you guys actually perceive the world. Maybe I am blissfully unaware of all the secret plots and conspiracies. That's good.
I don't think either side is right. There's just different personality types. You guys seem to be the type that doesn't take shit from authority, to the extreme. We generally associate that mentality with Americans. I suspect - with anti-vaxxers, and other fringe political opinions - that it's more about fighting back than the truth.
Anti-truth is more appealing because it isn't mainstream.
I don't know. You're a curious bunch.