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Electrum1 said:
www.reuters.com

U.S. FDA, CDC see early signal of possible Pfizer bivalent COVID shot link to stroke

A safety monitoring system flagged that U.S. drugmaker Pfizer Inc and German partner BioNTech's updated COVID-19 shot could be linked to a type of brain stroke in older adults, according to preliminary data analyzed by U.S. health authorities.
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2 years after the fact....but we're the stupid ones for not trusting the short sighted science and wanting to wait and see
 
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It’s almost as if the house investigations have caused pharma to start ‘coming clean’.
It was wild, the other day was the first time, in a social setting, I noticed vaxxed people be embarrassed to admit they took it.
This was like the ultimate IQ test, sort of wonder what effect this will have on society. Hopefully those that have the propensity to be lemmings will become less trusting. This would be the most positive outcome imo
 
but we're the stupid ones for not trusting the short sighted science and wanting to wait and see
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You guys (this isn't directed at Krinkle, he's actually chilled out a bit with COVID) seem super eager to be right about this one?

I don't care if I'm wrong. Not even sure what my opinion is anymore.

Every vaccine has a certain amount of adverse reactions.

Every surgery has a risk of death.

Someone said earlier - I think it was CK? - that the number was 1/800 even though the standard is 1/10000. I didn't fact check this. I'd assume right off the bat that the standard varies depending on the country... and the situation, to some extent?

Logically there should be a mathematical relationship between the risk of death from the virus and the risk of death from the vaccine, rather than capping all vaccines at 1/10000.

COVID was (with Delta) killing a hell of a lot of people.

They said the risk with the vaccine was lower than it turned out to be. How much of this is some kind of grand conspiracy and how much of it stems from the viruses being fast-tracked in order (perhaps misguidedly) to save lives.

The data we have so far reflects this.

We have x recorded COVID deaths and y recorded vaccine deaths.

X > Y

So now, like Donald Trump with his election fraud stuff: the anti-vaxxers declare that the data is bullshit, which feeds into the conspiracy stuff.

There is no solid data to prove that the vaccines are more dangerous than the virus, so far.

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It's too early to tell yet, but how long do you guys you planning on waiting?

Like in 10 years if the most reputable studies all unanimously say that the virus killed 1000 times as many people as the vaccines. Would you concede - then - that it's not as incredibly dangerous as some here have suggested? (I'm not sure if the pureblood stuff is a joke.)

I mean: this is hardly a win, yet. Right?

I don't get how you're all so convinced. If you're right about the conspiracy stuff, most of the stuff out there is bullshit. So - in order to have that opinion - you have to accept that most of the info floating around is false... which would lead me to not believe anyone.

I'm still not sure what the selection process is?

Over the past couple of years, the BL anti-vax squad has posted stuff from doctors and scientists and gone out their way to make note of how qualified these people are.

It seems that qualifications are either important or they're not.

I don't think anyone is stupid. I've been pretty insulting from time to time, which I apologize for.

I think this virus has brought out the worst in us. Unfortunately, I think the social toxicity revolving around the pandemic is worse than either the virus or the vaccine.

I'm a grown man, with children of my own, and I had a curfew imposed on me by a government that suddenly invented powers to justify stepping massively over the line. The government went way too far, but I'm not going to lose my mind over it... because it's over.

I would rather have the virus again or be vaccinated again than be as enraged as I used to be. Some of the opinions expressed on this website are downright scary if that is indeed how you guys actually perceive the world. Maybe I am blissfully unaware of all the secret plots and conspiracies. That's good.

I don't think either side is right. There's just different personality types. You guys seem to be the type that doesn't take shit from authority, to the extreme. We generally associate that mentality with Americans. I suspect - with anti-vaxxers, and other fringe political opinions - that it's more about fighting back than the truth.

Anti-truth is more appealing because it isn't mainstream.

I don't know. You're a curious bunch.
 
bird.brain said:
You guys (this isn't directed at Krinkle, he's actually chilled out a bit with COVID) seem super eager to be right about this one? I don't care if I'm wrong.
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Well I'd rather I'm not, given my entire family has taken the jabs.
bird.brain said:
Every vaccine has a certain amount of adverse reactions. Every surgery has a risk of death. Someone said earlier - I think it was CK? - that the number was 1/800 even though the standard is 1/10000. I didn't fact check this. I'd assume right off the bat that the standard varies depending on the country... and the situation, to some extent? Logically there should be a mathematical relationship between the risk of death from the virus and the risk of death from the vaccine, rather than capping all vaccines at 1/10000.
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There is no medium or long term safety profile for these specific products (they are not vaccines). You can't even calculate a relationship because that side of the equation doesn't even exist, it's a real-time experiment we (not me) are participating in. That reason alone is justification not to get these products. You're playing russian roulette putting this synthetic concoction in to your body, especially since it's not just chemical compounds but biotechnology that is working at the genetic level. Whether you take deliberate malign intent or just pure accident, there is the potential for this to go horribly wrong not only for you but all future offspring from your line. It's a possibility, not a certainty, but there's no way in hell I'm gambling in that game. Fuck that.
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COVID was (with Delta) killing a hell of a lot of people.
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Debateable. If you label everyone as having X then you can paint yourself a terrible reality. Personally, I think the testing is complete bullshit - if you can fudge the lateral flow tests with fruit juice then they're evidently not specific enough to be used as tests. As for PCR.. I trust the Nobel laureate who invented the thing as to why using it for diagnosis with viruses is complete bullshit - coincidentally he dies just before covid started.
bird.brain said:
There is no solid data to prove that the vaccines are more dangerous than the virus, so far. It's too early to tell yet, but how long do you guys you planning on waiting? Like in 10 years if the most reputable studies all unanimously say that the virus killed 1000 times as many people as the vaccines. Would you concede - then - that it's not as incredibly dangerous as some here have suggested? (I'm not sure if the pureblood stuff is a joke.)
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Who are you going trust. The pharmaceutical companies? You'll be waiting until hell freezes over if you expect data to come from the mainstream institutions that undermines their own market. There's enough data as far as I'm concerned. I don't know a single person who died from covid or was hospitalized, but I know several who have suffered reactions to these jabs in my own circle. The reports of women experiencing menstrual issues. All the sports players and newscasters suddenly collapsing and/or dying in the past year or so, we have never seen such a surge in events like that in my lifetime.

I don't mean to be rude, but it's obvious. Really obvious. We're only two years downstream and already we're seeing issues. Maybe it will plateau. Maybe it's only just getting started and there are going to be long term downstream effects.
bird.brain said:
I think this virus has brought out the worst in us. Unfortunately, I think the social toxicity revolving around the pandemic is worse than either the virus or the vaccine.
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One side of it is justified. The other is not. All the people hammering others into feeling guilt, calling for action against them, for not endorsing the lockdowns, the masks, and the jabs.. I make no bones in saying this group of people, which unfortunately is massive, are the exact group of people who would have supported the rhetoric as Hitler rose to power. Absolutely no critical thinking ability, but more importantly their morality is 'relative' to the point that they'll endorse state actions if the wind blows a certain direction.. they have no real love for humanity, only the pretence of it.

It was tyranny. In the case of Australia they actually went and built camps to house people. Austria got the point of legalising compulsory vaccination. Greece fining people. And most other nations to some varying degree started down the road to the same destination.

I don't hate these people, but my line in the sand is drawn on this one. If people are able to comprehend what has happened and articulate it sincerely enough to convince me they have honestly made a mistake, I will forgive them. But Jesus Christ.. we were so close to compulsory vaccination and who knows how far it would have gone. That is EVIL, period. That is the same fucking shit we "promise would never happen again" after the forced medical horrors of WW2, it's what the Nuremberg Code is all about. If a person has no sovereignty over their body then they have no freedom at all and are subjects in a tyrannical state/system.

It was the greatest imposition on liberty in peace time we have ever seen. It was the greatest global wealth transfer to the ruling class we have ever seen. And time will tell, but it may also be the greatest crime against humanity ever seen - personally I already consider it to be, due to the widespread damage it has caused to people in various ways but in particular the most vulnerable of all, the children (who were at absolutely no risk).
bird.brain said:
I'm a grown man, with children of my own, and I had a curfew imposed on me by a government that suddenly invented powers to justify stepping massively over the line. The government went way too far, but I'm not going to lose my mind over it... because it's over.
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Again, it was tyranny. You should be losing your mind over it, because not only does it reveal where we are politically and socially, but it could easily happen again. In fact the foundations are being laid for it right now e.g. the WHO International Treaty that demands national governments enact a "whole society response" for the next pandemic, which is doublespeak for basically going harder and faster than we did for covid.

I don't think we've seen the worst that this decade is going to throw at us.
 
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One side of it is justified. The other is not. All the people hammering others into feeling guilt, calling for action against them, for not endorsing the lockdowns, the masks, and the jabs.. I make no bones in saying this group of people, which unfortunately is massive, are the exact group of people who would have supported the rhetoric as Hitler rose to power. Absolutely no critical thinking ability, but more importantly their morality is 'relative' to the point that they'll endorse state actions if the wind blows a certain direction.. they have no real love for humanity, only the pretence of it.
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Just to expound upon my own point more, now that I'm sufficiently wound up. It's catharsis for me, because being completely honest I struggle to fight off patterns of suicidal thinking due to what has occurred. I had little faith in people before covid but now it is completely shot, because it has been demonstrated that the majority of people have absolutely no resolve against state propaganda and no moral backbone, so making any real solid long term plans is a futile endeavour given the state can just mandate whatever bullshit they like that can fuck up your career or your business that you pour your soul into, under the pretext of an 'emergency' situation. I would have lost my mind if I had children during covid, watching them being subject to all the pressure to 'mask up' and obey all this fucking nonsense just to placate the neurotic servile tendencies of their guardians. It was absolutely pathetic - a society which doesn't love its children has no future.

The mask issue captures the essence of this moral relativism. Both Fauci in the USA, and Chris Whitty in the UK, who are fairly equivalent health figures, said that masks made absolutely no difference right at the start. Then they pivoted 180 degrees. OK, so you may argue that we should consider all options available as part of a strategy. But why then was Ivermectin, something with a proven track record, discounted as a possible solution, and not only discounted but intentionally demonised? Why was the link to vitamin D deficiency not properly investigated, given vitamin D is essentially not even a financial cost at all to produce? A beneficent state would have investigated all possibilities, not denied and demonised options - it is clear as day they wanted the vaccine as the solution, and the vaccine only.

No new evidence was presented for masks that contradicted all the known previous science, yet it was expounded as gospel and enforced under criminal penalty. And people just ate that up because the TV told them so. What the fuck is that? It was equivalent to a temporary, state enforced, medieval cult. The TV told people to do something, with no justification and evidence, and not only did people just bend over but actually took on the role of smacking down anyone who dared question their beliefs, sometimes to the point of violence.

There's so much that can be said. It is difficult to articulate because it instantly raises my blood pressure, trying to communicate what I consider to be pretty obvious and rational points that should easily be noted by all mature adults who simply pay attention. But that's the problem, the majority of people just have no real thinking ability of their own it seems, no attention span beyond one news cycle. They defer to authority for their thinking, to the TV, and have the moral strength of a 5 year old alone in the kitchen with the cookie jar.
 
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Just to expound upon my own point more, now that I'm sufficiently wound up. It's catharsis for me, because being completely honest I struggle to fight off patterns of suicidal thinking due to what has occurred. I had little faith in people before covid but now it is completely shot, because it has been demonstrated that the majority of people have absolutely no resolve against state propaganda and no moral backbone, so making any real solid long term plans is a futile endeavour given the state can just mandate whatever bullshit they like that can fuck up your career or your business that you pour your soul into, under the pretext of an 'emergency' situation. I would have lost my mind if I had children during covid, watching them being subject to all the pressure to 'mask up' and obey all this fucking nonsense just to placate the neurotic servile tendencies of their guardians. It was absolutely pathetic - a society which doesn't love its children has no future.
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Well articulated. I'm tired of the pro-vax/anti-vax stuff. A line was crossed that should not have been - a line that has nothing to do with whether or not the vaccine was effective - and there's nothing that can ever be said to convince me it was OK.
 
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When you say thinks like the COVID vaccine program is the biggest crime against humanity ever and I should be losing my mind... Yeah, I don't think there's any point.

It all sounds a bit crazy to me.

Anecdotal evidence is not data.
 
How many anecdotes = proof ?
If only we had some real long term data on the vaccine maybe we could finally put this to rest ….why don’t we have that data again ?
 
The first thing I'd do if I was orchestrating a multi trillion dollar conspiracy to infect people with a bogus virus is: kill Gilbert Gottfried.

Reported cause of death:
Bob Saget - blunt trauma to head
Louie Anderson - lymphoma
Gilbert Gottfried - muscular dystrophy

Saget had COVID when he collapsed and hit his head. Louis Anderson was obviously the picture of health despite the cancer. Gottfried had been sick for some time.

But - hey - I guess Anderson's oncologist is in on it and Saget's coroner probably invented the bruising to his brain and the abrasions on his head... Not to mention Gottfried's entire medical team fabricating his MD diagnosis.

Fuck it. It was worth it.

They finally got the A-team!

Now that Gottfried is out of the way, nothing will stop them!
 
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the vaccine doesnt even fucking work lol. I have not caught covid this entire time. I got two shots and have perma heart damage verified by a cardiologist and multiple doctors who have been on my case now over the last year.

now the new bivalent vaccine is giving people strokes.

The spike protein of covid 19 is a weapon that we had injected into all of us. Its not a vaccine its a weapon to kill us off, they are now collpasing the entire food chain by banning hen farming. NO more eggs under commies. You can not find eggs in the supermarkets of the super commie nations of canada with justin commie treueda and comrade jacdina.

wait till they ban COWS and milk farming. LOL! its coming folks the commies are here to steal your food and make you starve like a peasant that lived under the soviet union
 
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