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Yeah he's on paxlovid

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see now the paxlovid makes it dicey.....we'll see what happens now


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Hmm

100% bullshit.

They're doubling-down on the fear narrative now that it is fresh in everyone's minds, using their bullshit testing methodology. In the UK they said they detected Polio in sewage, therefore someone out there in London must have it. They're literally so desperate they're fondling turds to find genetic fragments.. it is utterly ridiculous. Do you know how many different sources of genetic material there is in waste water? Lmao.
 
Except they're not polio. Polio is a phantom created to protect the financial interests of giant chemical and agrichemical companies that inadvertently poisoned everyone with their products (DDT, Lead Arsenate, etc). The same goes for BSE (mad cow), which was caused by putting an organophosphate (phosmet) directly on to the necks of cattle for pest control.. I mean, the idiocy of that one.. putting a nerve agent directly on to cattle. The establishment still has the gall to deny it as well when they clearly manipulated 'the science' into creating phony bullshit 'prions'.

Oh, and guess which company produced Phosmet. ICI Zeneca, which went on to become.. Astrazenca.
 
I'm curious: are any viruses real in your opinion? Do plants get viruses? Do animals get viruses?
In terms of the concept of a virus, no. There may be 'things' that are present that are being mistaken for viral particles, but they are not pathogenic in themselves.

If you trace the science back that's the only conclusion. We've made a mistake, whether intentionally or unintentionally, primarily due to the scale of these particles that makes working with them directly an impossibility but also because the momentum of science was riding on the 'germs' idea at the time.. it seemed to fit what we thought was true. We still ride on this 'germ theory' despite Pasteur being a fraud, as admitted in his own writings.

It's a matter of perspective. When someone gets ill we take it to mean something must have been added to their condition, when in fact the opposite is true.. nothing was really added to them, but the body lacked the ability to maintain balance which then allows disease to manifest. We are literally surrounded by, and often colonised by, what are considered to be pathogenic bacteria. Fungal particles are everywhere too. Yet we don't immediately descend into a state of disease and die. The idea our immune system is fighting off this unending avalanche of particles is ridiculous.. clearly these things are ubiquitous in and on us.

Viruses were just an extension of this germ theory philosophy in an attempt to explain things that hadn't yet been explained. It persists as a concept because the scientific methodology that is used for proof/disproof is in the hands of vested interests, namely the pharmaceutical industry, who really couldn't give a shit if it's true or not.
 
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If you trace the science back that's the only conclusion.

Of the estimated 100 million viruses on our planet, how many of them have you actually traced?

If penguins and whiting turned out to be holograms, would you conclude all animals are fake?
 
In terms of the concept of a virus, no. There may be 'things' that are present that are being mistaken for viral particles, but they are not pathogenic in themselves.

If you trace the science back that's the only conclusion. We've made a mistake, whether intentionally or unintentionally, primarily due to the scale of these particles that makes working with them directly an impossibility but also because the momentum of science was riding on the 'germs' idea at the time.. it seemed to fit what we thought was true. We still ride on this 'germ theory' despite Pasteur being a fraud, as admitted in his own writings.

It's a matter of perspective. When someone gets ill we take it to mean something must have been added to their condition, when in fact the opposite is true.. nothing was really added to them, but the body lacked the ability to maintain balance which then allows disease to manifest. We are literally surrounded by, and often colonised by, what are considered to be pathogenic bacteria. Fungal particles are everywhere too. Yet we don't immediately descend into a state of disease and die. The idea our immune system is fighting off this unending avalanche of particles is ridiculous.. clearly these things are ubiquitous in and on us.

Viruses were just an extension of this germ theory philosophy in an attempt to explain things that hadn't yet been explained. It persists as a concept because the scientific methodology that is used for proof/disproof is in the hands of vested interests, namely the pharmaceutical industry, who really couldn't give a shit if it's true or not.
This makes a lot of sense actually, but if someone can become I’ll by the lacking of “something” then it’s not to much of a stretch that the addition of “something” can cause illness too right ? I’m no scientist but I think the body has a certain homeostasis and can rock either direction, that seems logical to me.. know what I’m saying
 

‘Stunning’: 1 in 5,000 COVID Shots Caused ‘Serious Side Effects,’ German Health Officials Admit '​


The German Federal Ministry of Health (BMG) on Wednesday posted a “stunning tweet” admitting 1 of every 5,000 COVID-19 vaccinations cause “serious side effects.”


Although likely an “underestimation” due to voluntary reporting, according to Alex Berenson, the admission implies almost 300,000 Americans and Europeans have experienced a severe adverse event after receiving a Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna vaccine.


German Ministry of Health tweet


Translated, the tweet says, “One in 5000 people is affected by a serious side effect after a COVID19 vaccination. If you suspect an adverse reaction, get medical attention and report your symptoms to @PEI_Germany.”



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If penguins and whiting turned out to be holograms, would you conclude all animals are fake?


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There are so many examples of viruses that affect every living thing on the planet and so many historical examples of viruses being introduced to different communities during conquest, etc.

Removing viruses is like removing fungi.

Being able to see something isn't always the best way to determine that it exists. We can see the impact that viruses have. We can see the way they behave. Their behaviour is distinctly virus-like.

You said that polio was a conspiracy. That's possible. But what about all of the other viruses throughout history? What about the plague?
 
Makes sense considering what that German insurance company said a while back

‘Stunning’: 1 in 5,000 COVID Shots Caused ‘Serious Side Effects,’ German Health Officials Admit '​


The German Federal Ministry of Health (BMG) on Wednesday posted a “stunning tweet” admitting 1 of every 5,000 COVID-19 vaccinations cause “serious side effects.”


Although likely an “underestimation” due to voluntary reporting, according to Alex Berenson, the admission implies almost 300,000 Americans and Europeans have experienced a severe adverse event after receiving a Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna vaccine.


German Ministry of Health tweet


Translated, the tweet says, “One in 5000 people is affected by a serious side effect after a COVID19 vaccination. If you suspect an adverse reaction, get medical attention and report your symptoms to @PEI_Germany.”






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Makes sense considering that a few months ago data from BKK insurance company indicated a bunch of adverse reactions

Translated to English

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You guys were literally saying the same exact thing like 18 months ago.

What happened back then was something like this:

antivaxxers said:
An abundance of adverse reactions!
provaxxers said:
What is the definition of adverse, precisely?
antivaxxers said:
Haha, you suckle the teat of ignorance!
provaxxers said:
It says here that the majority of adverse reactions were mild.
antivaxxers said:
Silence, pig!

The under-reporting is mild symptoms, which makes sense.

The guy who wrote that open letter has been fired.

 
Of the estimated 100 million viruses on our planet, how many of them have you actually traced?
How many have you traced? Of all the billions of people who got the jab what percentage of them traced the thing they were supposedly getting protection for? Almost none. Even if they wanted to they couldn't.. you can't buy an electron microscope or the lab equipment required to prove/disprove it. It is all about faith in the institutions and the science.
...so many historical examples of viruses being introduced to different communities during conquest, etc.
That is assumption, a hypothesis, and not proven.
Being able to see something isn't always the best way to determine that it exists. We can see the impact that viruses have. We can see the way they behave. Their behaviour is distinctly virus-like.
That is nonsensical. Modern science is rooted in materialism. If you can't verify a 'thing' by isolating it from everything else so you only have 'it', then you are dealing in speculation and not reality (as defined by science). You could say you believe A is causing B and that you have yet to define A, but to say you know A exists ahead of actually defining it is faith, not science.
You said that polio was a conspiracy. That's possible. But what about all of the other viruses throughout history? What about the plague?
Plague wasn't a virus, that was bacteria, but that aside I think we have to be prepared to accept the possibility that things are more complicated than the single causative agent idea.. 'one virus causes one disease'. There may be overlap of causes. There may also be things going on at the molecular level that we don't yet know, or even forces impacting in ways we don't yet understand e.g. EMF and electrical interactions. Modern medicine, and science generally, is still in its infancy. It's tempting to reach for the overarching explanations that leave no mysteries, because we fear the unknown, but look how many times we've been surprised in the past 100 years of science and especially in biology. To think we've got it all figured out is just arrogance.
This makes a lot of sense actually, but if someone can become I’ll by the lacking of “something” then it’s not to much of a stretch that the addition of “something” can cause illness too right ? I’m no scientist but I think the body has a certain homeostasis and can rock either direction, that seems logical to me.. know what I’m saying
Sure. It's all about homeostasis either way though. The body can not have enough of a certain vitamin or mineral, which then interferes with certain pathways that mean the body can't remove other substances or can't create substances required to maintain balance. Or the body can get something, like a chemical toxin that interferes with pathways, or a chemical element that the body can't metabolize, again upsetting the balance.

When it comes to adding biological organisms like bacteria or fungi (or viruses), it's more adding them to places where they should not ordinarily go, like directly into the bloodstream or open wounds - - Puerperal fever killed many new mothers because doctors were cross contaminating their genitals from cadavers. The other time they become a problem is when the body is already in a weakened state and they move in to recycle decaying material, the key point being they come after disease has been caused and are not the cause of it. Basically we're not at war with germs, they are literally all around us, on us, in us, and we couldn't survive without them either. It's all about balance, not war.
 
to say you know A exists ahead of actually defining it is faith, not science.

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I don't know if anything exists. Nobody does. We may not be here. I might be talking to nobody right now. In terms of determining reality, that's not concrete. I don't assume my perception is the "correct" one. What are the odds of that?

I never said I know anything.

You are saying viruses don't exist. I'm saying I think they do.

You don't know they do and I don't know they don't.

Nobody knows if black holes exist.

The sun might be an illusion.

How many have you traced?

Zero.

To think we've got it all figured out is just arrogance.

Is it not arrogant for you to assume that you know the truth even though you're presumably not trained in this field?

I don't understand why all medical professionals would conspire to do such a thing? Wouldn't there be a whistle blower by now?

I forgot the bubonic plague was bacteria. There have been numerous plagues throughout pre-medical history, but I guess you could say the same thing about them. Nobody knows what virus (or bacteria) caused them.

What is the flu if not a virus? Specifically, why does it seem to spread?

In 1892, Dmitri Ivanovsky used one of these filters to show that sap from a diseased tobacco plant remained infectious to healthy tobacco plants despite having been filtered. Martinus Beijerinck called the filtered, infectious substance a "virus" and this discovery is considered to be the beginning of virology.

He isolated something.
What is it?

Can we use virus as a placeholder and agree that it is something that travels from host to host?

What is herpes?
 
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