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I worked field service for a large German Engineering Manufacturer of C-Arms so I know what you mean. Worked in most Modalities of imaging although Nuclear Imaging has my main modality. I just came in to help XRay/Fluoroscopy Modalities in emergencies to help the FME.

N-95 is smaller size particle filtration than the common surgical mask you use, N-95 is the correct mask for the sterile corridor in the institutions that I covered. C Arms are suppose to enter and exit through the front doors to the OR, not the sterile corridor, again in the institutions I was assigned. They were mainly Research / University institutions which may have even more stringent regulations than Community Hospitals. The smaller Hospitals were my favorite due to a lot less red tape unless AHC was on the premises during inspection.

Nice to talk to someone who understands "my world". It's a rather small community (of Mfr support) that most people in the world don't even think about. It just works (until it doesn't). :eek:
 
oh nice! i worked a lot with Ziehms - they're the best to flip around - OEC's too but they're big - better for spines

yup - we came through the dirty doors

ive never been scrubbed in - i just drive and press the buttons on the machine

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U.S. Public Health Agencies Aren't ‘Following the Science,’ Officials Say​

‘People are getting bad advice and we can’t say anything.’​


The calls and text messages are relentless. On the other end are doctors and scientists at the top levels of the NIH, FDA and CDC. They are variously frustrated, exasperated and alarmed about the direction of the agencies to which they have devoted their careers.

“It's like a horror movie I'm being forced to watch and I can't close my eyes,” one senior FDA official lamented. “People are getting bad advice and we can’t say anything.”

That particular FDA doctor was referring to two recent developments inside the agency. First, how, with no solid clinical data, the agency authorized Covid vaccines for infants and toddlers, including those who already had Covid. And second, the fact that just months before, the FDA bypassed their external experts to authorize booster shots for young children.

That doctor is hardly alone.

At the NIH, doctors and scientists complain to us about low morale and lower staffing: The NIH’s Vaccine Research Center has had many of its senior scientists leave over the last year, including the director, deputy director and chief medical officer. “They have no leadership right now. Suddenly there’s an enormous number of jobs opening up at the highest level positions,” one NIH scientist told us. (The people who spoke to us would only agree to be quoted anonymously, citing fear of professional repercussions.)


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U.S. Public Health Agencies Aren't ‘Following the Science,’ Officials Say

‘People are getting bad advice and we can’t say anything.’
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Mike Yeadon, ex scientific researcher and vice president at drugs giant Pfizer Inc, has been vocal throughout covid but the other day he posted on his telegram hinting at what I've been saying for a long time.. that the SARS-Ncov-2 particle does not exist. He also realised like I did during summer2020 that this pandemic is a total fiction.

I had some doubts about him, given he worked for Pfizer, that he could be a 'limited hangout'. But now it seems he's willing to challenge the very foundation of his extensive career and education, and confront the possibility that viruses might be an aberration of scientific method rather than an actual reality.

Once again, if they knew there was no virus then you immediately have to ask what is in the vaccines they are so desperately trying to get into all of humanity. Whatever it is, it can't be good.

I’m aware this two page backgrounder & experimental proposal aims to show whether or not viruses exist, focussing on SARS-CoV-2. I’m a signatory because, having given a lot of thought to the entire proposition, I now believe it’s yet another of the lies to which we’ve been subject. In the case of scientists, even those in commercial drug discovery, have taken as fact that viruses exist without ever reviewing the original papers.

When you read the earliest such paper, you may get that hollow feeling in your abdomen (as I did) when you realise that what’s being described does not conform to “the scientific method”.

One of the facts that I remember caused me serious problems, early in 2020 (though I confess I simply forgot about it, I think because I naturally assumed the problem was mine) was that no one could get the alleged virus to grow in lining cells from human lungs.

Now, we have to accept, surely, that if there is a transmissible agent that’s spread by release into exhaled breath, droplets etc & causes among other things respiratory illnesses, it MUST freely infect these lining cells.

These are called “normal human bronchial epithelial cells” (HNBE) & though not easy to do, with practise it’s possible to culture these in a very standard manner. When I was in R&D, leading lung / respiratory / allergy research for many years, we routinely employed NHBE as test systems, for example to look at the effect of experimental medicines & other stimuli on airway lining cells.

How it could be possible that NHBE don’t easily support replication of an alleged respiratory virus is severely problematic in my view.

I don’t treat this as a religious matter. I couldn’t care less one way or another whether viruses as a class exist. That’s not the problem.

The problem is that essentially the entire world is hostage to the testable but untested assumption that SARS-CoV-2 is a bona fide infective agent of human airways.

But, telling us that this alleged virus simply won’t grow in NHBE, that’s OK, is it?

Many cell types used in labs are transformed / immortalized cell lines. They often bear no resemblance to the type of tissue they came from. Changes often occur such that they are unlike the natural situation.

But NHBE are PRIMARY cells, taken often from living people & quickly grown in cell culture, using air/liquid interface apparatus. Because their apical surfaces face the air & their basolateral aspect in under water, they retain morphology & behaviour that is, as far as we can tell, identical to the situation in your own airways.

They respond well to several therapeutic drugs like corticosteroids, to pro-inflammatory stimuli like allergens, bacterial toxins, cigarette smoke & condensate, ozone & the like, the are well accepted as a good model for human airway lining cells.

I therefore believe if it’s true that scientists cannot get SARS-CoV-2 will not infect NHBE, that observation alone is extremely problematic.

Anyway, if you’re not already familiar with this controversy, please have a read of the statement & research proposition: https://drsambailey.com/resources/settling-the-virus-debate/

Many thanks, Mike
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Reddit - Mike Yeadon (inc link to his Telegram)
 
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Snafu in the Void said:
This article basically disproves your theory that people are randomly dying weeks, months or years after the vaccine, it only occurs within 7 days after vaccine, and then is gone:
  1. “In most cases, the associations did not persist after seven days following exposure.”
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Honestly is totally unscientific to say that it only "occurs within 7 days after the vaccine" that's completely RANDOM as most stuff that "science" is doing this days.
So they consider some days that apparently (but not proven at all the reasons why) must be because of the vaccine. For example, dying because of the vaccine is considered as 3 days! why exactly? there's LOADS of people that have side effects happening for weeks and even months, but then the dying must only be considered within 3 days??

Please don't take this personally but those trying to defend the vaccine roll-out using pseudo-scientific reasons that are completely random and manipulative, standards that are clearly done to protect the commercial product (it's only effective as a big-pharma economic success)... well, it makes me cringe.
 
@Neuroborean no offense taken man. I really don't take any of this seriously anymore. But using words like pseudoscience, random and manipulative is rather cute coming from the side who literally cannot understand basic statistics, thinks literally everything is a sign of vaccine toxicity, trusts every single anecdotal story from anyone on the internet, believes all the doctors in the world are trying to kill us, etc.

Covid conspiracies are so last year, I'm over it.

I think it's definitely easier to cringe at the giant conspiracy and people who suddenly distrust science on a whole (even though everything in their entire life was created with it) rather than someone who is more down to earth about things.

Ultimately, the amount of personal insults and derogatory comments in these covid threads is pretty astounding if you go back through them over the last 2 years. I'm fairly guilty as well, both infractions I've ever had on BL were from these threads.

Yet the damn truth is nobody here is any sort of expert on the matter... none of us are anywhere near qualified to make any sort of conclusion on everything...
 
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Why can't we just meet in the middle like rational people.

Are vaccines without risk or absolutely necessary? No

Is the government trying to kill everyone with cancer juice that turns you magnetic? No

Problem solved. Now we can all go home, drink some beer and be merry.
 
Snafu in the Void said:
Covid conspiracies are so last year, I'm over it.
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If you never wanted to take it seriously, you ultimately won't that's for sure.
I don't think things are so "last years" or so "2010s" I don't think living "In the moment" is superior to really go into the important stuff, for me is absolutely the opposite, the "current events" are exactly what they want, not to delve into anything, not to discuss seriously and not to research more than the "basic" and superficial.
Not to tie down any possible thing that could end up being a problem

I think those denying the vaccine damage are the ones who are not looking into statistics seriously, it's almost ridiculous that there's such an enormous increase of "every cause deaths" in ages not seriously affected by covid in 2021, and to be honest you can see that the 2020 deaths regarding those who were affected by covid are not that big, mainly because the median age of those who were death was above their life expectancy, honestly is pathetic that anyone could still be defending the vaccine having the data we have.
 
Neuroborean said:
I think those denying the vaccine damage are the ones who are not looking into statistics seriously
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The ones denying the vaccine damage, beyond initial mild side effects or other mild issues, are the ones who've actually taken the vaccine and have first hand experiences.

The ones saying vaccines kill people or other ridiculous things are the ones who have never taken the vaccine (and also believe it's all a conspiracy).

Do you see the problem here?

And please stop quoting misinterpreted statistics which are publicly available and given out by the very entity you think is killing us... it's seriously cringe. It's like you believe the government murdered a million people then produced statistics about how many people they murdered on a public website for all to see. Why the fuck would they do that?

If the government is trying to hide something why would they publicly release the evidence???

It's like the UFO conspiracy crowd. They WANT the conspiracy to be true, so they ignore all logical fallacy or faulty evidence. They want aliens, not balloons in the sky, and nobody can convince them otherwise.

It's rather pretentious to think you've somehow been able to piece it all together and nobody else has looked at the "statistics"... I have looked at them, and they're incomplete or inconclusive at best. You also seem to cherry pick statistics constantly. The ones that don't fit into your theory you conveniently ignore or call it lies/part of the conspiracy itself.

You have absolutely convinced yourself of some grand conspiracy. Maybe take a step back and just look at the logic of your argument objectively. There are huge holes you are ignoring.

The only interesting covid conspiracy is where it originated from.
 
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The ones denying the vaccine damage, beyond initial mild side effects or other mild issues, are the ones who've actually taken the vaccine and have first hand experiences.

The ones saying vaccines kill people or other ridiculous things are the ones who have never taken the vaccine (and also believe it's all a conspiracy).

Do you see the problem here?

And please stop quoting misinterpreted statistics which are publicly available and given out by the very entity you think is killing us... it's seriously cringe. It's like you believe the government murdered a million people then produced statistics about how many people they murdered on a public website for all to see. Why the fuck would they do that?

If the government is trying to hide something why would they publicly release the evidence???

It's like the UFO conspiracy crowd. They WANT the conspiracy to be true, so they ignore all logical fallacy or faulty evidence. They want aliens, not balloons in the sky, and nobody can convince them otherwise.

It's rather pretentious to think you've somehow been able to piece it all together and nobody else has looked at the "statistics"... I have looked at them, and they're incomplete or inconclusive at best.

You have absolutely convinced yourself of some grand conspiracy. Maybe take a step back and just look at the logic of your argument objectively. There are huge holes you are ignoring.

The only interesting covid conspiracy is where it originated from.
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I think the reason the government is starting to talk about UFOs is because some of their most top secret projects have been spotted in the wild and are trying to divert with UFOs
 
Las Veghost grower said:
I think the reason the government is starting to talk about UFOs is because some of their most top secret projects have been spotted in the wild and are trying to divert with UFOs
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Yeah, check out Richard Doty (military intelligence officer), and how he convinced someone he was seeing UFOs when he was actually photographing top secret military stuff. The guy went insane and was committed. Pretty sad story.

But the military has been doing that for a very long time. It's a super convenient cover for classified things.

I believe there really is something to UFOs, I had my own UFO encounter which still blows my mind to this day, but 95% of UFO stuff is bullshit.

I find it highly likely that people like Bob Lazar are also government disinformation agents.

There's a decent documentary about this topic called "Mirage Men". Mirage Men is about how the US government used mythology to cover up their advanced technology. It prominently features Richard Doty, a retired Special Agent who worked for AFOSI, the United States Air Force Office of Special Investigation.[3] Mark Pilkington's book about the project, also called Mirage Men, was published in 2010 by Constable & Robinson.[4]
 
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Snafu in the Void said:
The ones saying vaccines kill people or other ridiculous things are the ones who have never taken the vaccine (and also believe it's all a conspiracy).

Do you see the problem here?
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Yeah I basically see that you didn't even see the MoMo statitistics ...:rolleyes:
Snafu in the Void said:
If the government is trying to hide something why would they publicly release the evidence???
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Because most people is so incredibly stupid and gullible (and are too busy with their own issues) that they don't even need to fake or hide anything, they just need to lie in terms of posting grotesque mass-media excuses.
Don't overstimate how human being work, we are quite stupid, in terms of majority of people, otherwise things like wars would be IMPOSSIBLE. But they happen, everytime, since millenia.

Snafu in the Void said:
It's like the UFO conspiracy crowd. They WANT the conspiracy to be true, so they ignore all logical fallacy or faulty evidence.
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No Snafu, this is not about bad photographs and crappy videos, this is about hard evidence that is everywhere, but it's the first time in history (at least since I'm alive and I can tell) that most people who should be burning buildings (Pfizer, WHO etc..) it's just looking somewhere else and avoiding to face the trauma because they cannot and specially don't want to see the patterns that are in front of their face. And no, I won't post it, because I did for 2 years in other forums and I'm pretty exhausted of discussing with those who don't want to see.
We could be years discussing here, if it's me who just want to see or you who don't want to.
 
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