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Jabberwocky
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A corps of researchers looking into the 1963 assassination of President John F. Kennedy say they have unearthed proof his alleged assassin, Lee Harvey Oswald, was involved in an operation by the CIA mere months before the killing, reigniting questions about whether the Oswald truly was alone in his decision to kill the youngest man ever elected president.
In a Tuesday press conference at the National Press Club, Jefferson Morley—a veteran of the D.C. press corps and a preeminent expert on JFK's assassination with the Mary Ferrell Foundation—told reporters that he and attorneys with the foundation obtained documentation relating to a still-classified covert operation approved by senior CIA officials three months before Kennedy's death that suggested the agency used Oswald for intelligence purposes several weeks prior to shooting.
"This is an extraordinarily serious claim, and it has profound implications for the official story," Morley said Tuesday morning in Washington. "The CIA knew far more about the lone gunman than then they are admitting even today. So this story deserves the closest possible scrutiny."
The document, one of several researchers obtained this month as the result of an October lawsuit, is a precursor to a fuller release of documents anticipated by the National Archives this month.
Yeah, there was a good documentary a few years ago that went over his relationship with the CIA. They were using him to spy on pro communist groups and Cuban nationalists iirc.
There's basically zero chance they didn't know what he was up to that day.
It's pretty obvious they used him as a patsy.
Jabberwocky
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I remember a few years ago the FBI was going to release some documents, since the 50 year classified info lockout was expiring.
Then, they chose not to release them, simply saying "it would be harmful to the country if released".
That's basically an admission of guilt.
Then, they chose not to release them, simply saying "it would be harmful to the country if released".
That's basically an admission of guilt.
Burnt Offerings
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It was an unusual occurrence at that time to decide to move to the Soviet Union, then decide to move back to the United States, and have everyone in the US government basically say, "meh welcome back!" That's basically what happened with Oswald, which is why people long suspected that he was involved in some way with the CIA
I'd guess that they're referring to Cuba stuff with that statement
I'd guess that they're referring to Cuba stuff with that statement
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A corps of researchers looking into the 1963 assassination of President John F. Kennedy say they have unearthed proof his alleged assassin, Lee Harvey Oswald, was involved in an operation by the CIA mere months before the killing, reigniting questions about whether the Oswald truly was alone in his decision to kill the youngest man ever elected president.
In a Tuesday press conference at the National Press Club, Jefferson Morley—a veteran of the D.C. press corps and a preeminent expert on JFK's assassination with the Mary Ferrell Foundation—told reporters that he and attorneys with the foundation obtained documentation relating to a still-classified covert operation approved by senior CIA officials three months before Kennedy's death that suggested the agency used Oswald for intelligence purposes several weeks prior to shooting.
"This is an extraordinarily serious claim, and it has profound implications for the official story," Morley said Tuesday morning in Washington. "The CIA knew far more about the lone gunman than then they are admitting even today. So this story deserves the closest possible scrutiny."
The document, one of several researchers obtained this month as the result of an October lawsuit, is a precursor to a fuller release of documents anticipated by the National Archives this month.
Y'all still talkin bout politics in this bitch
didn't Jackie O come right out and say it was LBJ and some Texas tycoons?
how's that Great Society working out for ya? Funny coincidence that the average American's share of GDP started it's downtrend right from 1970 to present day...
Yessir... lots of coincidences...
Xorkoth
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That was a pretty endearing interview, honestly. One of the nicer things I've seen on Fox.
Burnt Offerings
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LBJ's economic polices weren't dramatically different from the US's governments policies going back to the New Deal-era of Democratic politics. Income inequality only started to really widen from the late 70s/early 80s onward, long after LBJ had left office. Also Medicare/Medicaid are still two of the most popular government programs in the USA.
Not saying that LBJ didn't have faults (he did, and plenty of em), just don't agree with this idea that...somehow Kennedy was killed in order for LBJ to...do something which wasn't different policy-wise from a bunch of shit in the past that Democratic politicians had done, I guess...?
LBJ's economic polices weren't dramatically different from the US's governments policies going back to the New Deal-era of Democratic politics. Income inequality only started to really widen from the late 70s/early 80s onward, long after LBJ had left office. Also Medicare/Medicaid are still two of the most popular government programs in the USA.
Not saying that LBJ didn't have faults (he did, and plenty of em), just don't agree with this idea that...somehow Kennedy was killed in order for LBJ to...do something which wasn't different policy-wise from a bunch of shit in the past that Democratic politicians had done, I guess...?
JFK came right out and said he finds secret societies repugnant, implying he would not be a willing puppet. LBJ was likely just a puppet. I don't ascribe to him any agency.
Can we just agree that politicians are often brought to power by moneyed interests, and that they do so in order to have laws passed that advantage them to the disadvantage of the public?
I just think JFK was someone who might have become a strong leader and steered things in a better direction, or at least showed the people that there was a better direction.
Instead we've gotten fifty years of the average person progressively getting poorer and poorer, losing purchasing power, and it has been papered over with debt to the extreme that we have this Potemkin facade of wealth hiding people trapped in a lifetime of paying interest on non-mortgage debts.
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Mr. Krinkle
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i believe the reason the Dive was created was because of how CEPS had a natural flow of branching off into different discussions from the original topic, which is what just happened here
but let them talk and have their side discussion of gender if that's what they'd like to do - the rest of us are still staying on topic and continuing on, paying no mind to any of that - we're fine with it - that's the Dive and it is what's to be expected - ask mal - he's the brains behind it
it's all funny to me and i enjoy watching it play out - i'll give an example: birdbrain just called me "disrespectful" yesterday but at the same time, bird.brain himself, refuses to respect a new encounter's request to be identified as non-gendered.....it's the ebb and flow of a forum that's gone on since the beginning, which ive been around for - and it's funny
every new encounter for me starts out with the same level of respect - you already have my respect - and then from there, you either gain or lose respect from me - if that makes me disrespectful in your eyes, then that's your view that you're entitled to - but bird's level of respect from me has always gone up and down - doesn't mean i don't like him - i like him a lot - he's a lightning rod when he is here
i don't feel like there's any hate here at all either - there's oppositions - we're not always gonna agree and we're not always gonna get along - and that's normal - and i enjoy it all and i embrace it
i think it's funny - even my greatest oppositions are some of the funniest ppl here - everybody here is funny if you ask me
that was a long post for me wasn't it
Merry Christmas
but let them talk and have their side discussion of gender if that's what they'd like to do - the rest of us are still staying on topic and continuing on, paying no mind to any of that - we're fine with it - that's the Dive and it is what's to be expected - ask mal - he's the brains behind it
it's all funny to me and i enjoy watching it play out - i'll give an example: birdbrain just called me "disrespectful" yesterday but at the same time, bird.brain himself, refuses to respect a new encounter's request to be identified as non-gendered.....it's the ebb and flow of a forum that's gone on since the beginning, which ive been around for - and it's funny
every new encounter for me starts out with the same level of respect - you already have my respect - and then from there, you either gain or lose respect from me - if that makes me disrespectful in your eyes, then that's your view that you're entitled to - but bird's level of respect from me has always gone up and down - doesn't mean i don't like him - i like him a lot - he's a lightning rod when he is here
i don't feel like there's any hate here at all either - there's oppositions - we're not always gonna agree and we're not always gonna get along - and that's normal - and i enjoy it all and i embrace it
i think it's funny - even my greatest oppositions are some of the funniest ppl here - everybody here is funny if you ask me
that was a long post for me wasn't it
Merry Christmas
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bird.brain
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I didn't say I'm never disrespectful, Krinkle.
I said you were disrespectful towards chinup because you brought up an infraction from over a year ago. You were clearly antagonizing her for the fun of it.
I don't think that is what I'm doing here.
It's not a matter of respect whether or not I think trans is a thing or not. I don't believe it's helpful to trans people to lie to them. Maybe I'm wrong, but all I can do is be me.
My tone was disrespectful. Happy to own that. Are you happy to own what you were doing with chinup?
I am fed up with trans people claiming to be victims all the time.
I don't have to pretend to believe something that I don't believe.
Does Coney respect my opinions? Nope. But I have to show respect?
They (happy now?) were going on and on about alisdairm (of all fucking people) mocking their pronouns.
All ali said was he/she because he was actively trying not to misgender them.
I mean what the fuck, seriously.
Bah fucking humbug.
I said you were disrespectful towards chinup because you brought up an infraction from over a year ago. You were clearly antagonizing her for the fun of it.
I don't think that is what I'm doing here.
It's not a matter of respect whether or not I think trans is a thing or not. I don't believe it's helpful to trans people to lie to them. Maybe I'm wrong, but all I can do is be me.
My tone was disrespectful. Happy to own that. Are you happy to own what you were doing with chinup?
I am fed up with trans people claiming to be victims all the time.
I don't have to pretend to believe something that I don't believe.
Does Coney respect my opinions? Nope. But I have to show respect?
They (happy now?) were going on and on about alisdairm (of all fucking people) mocking their pronouns.
All ali said was he/she because he was actively trying not to misgender them.
I mean what the fuck, seriously.
Bah fucking humbug.
Mr. Krinkle
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yea but alasdairm isn't always correct one way or the other - he's a good dude - i like him - but we have a little bit of a rivalry - it's all good - i wish nothing but good things for him in his real life
i disrespected chinup? she was BOMBED - she disrespected me - respect is a two-way street - you get what you give
but the whole thing went full circle - much to my amusement - you probably missed it, but it was great - she got banned while she was on staff
im not owning up to anything - you wanna piece of me? im locked and loaded and ready to go
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FFS, Krinkle. You're really annoying sometimes.
chinup spent a lot of time offering people support and she was obviously quite sensitive and I didn't like the way you were treating her.
The decision to give you that point was not mine alone. All five staff members involved in that decision agreed. You were being toxic. This was before the dive.
I've been staff three times now and you - by far - have complained more than any person I've ever given a point. That includes two people I accidentally banned because I pushed the wrong button. Nobody is anywhere near you on the complaining spectrum. How much of a snowflake are you? It's been over a fucking year dude.
You kept making comments about it obsessively when I did it, so I had to start trimming those comments because you were spamming ceps with your complaints rather than PMing me. Then you started posting complaints about that.
Maybe let it go?
You're a big boy aren't you?
Suck it up.
Of course Ali isn't always right. He spends most of his time on here smugly lawyering people.
chinup spent a lot of time offering people support and she was obviously quite sensitive and I didn't like the way you were treating her.
The decision to give you that point was not mine alone. All five staff members involved in that decision agreed. You were being toxic. This was before the dive.
I've been staff three times now and you - by far - have complained more than any person I've ever given a point. That includes two people I accidentally banned because I pushed the wrong button. Nobody is anywhere near you on the complaining spectrum. How much of a snowflake are you? It's been over a fucking year dude.
You kept making comments about it obsessively when I did it, so I had to start trimming those comments because you were spamming ceps with your complaints rather than PMing me. Then you started posting complaints about that.
Maybe let it go?
You're a big boy aren't you?
Suck it up.
Of course Ali isn't always right. He spends most of his time on here smugly lawyering people.
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Las Veghost grower
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I’ll tell you what I’ll take Krinks point, just transfer it on over since I’m about to be done with this site anyway as it’s become a bit of a Libby echo chamber
bird.brain
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The point is fucking expired.
Droppersneck
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They used to not even allow dissent, but now it’s pretty open and all opinions are allowed. Definitely not an echo chamber, but addicts tend to lean lib to shit lib, so it makes sense that things seem to be one sided. You should stick around, I really appreciate ur takes.
bird.brain
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What is the point of The Dive, if it's the same as CEPS?
Posts are being deleted when they don't break any rules without warning. My thread was shut down less than 24 hours after I created it. Again, I didn't break any rules. There was no warning. No explanation. I've had multiple staff members call me an asshole because I don't subscribe to the dictates of the trans movement.
If people are likely to be offended, they should stick to CEPS.
Coney said they can't stay on BlueLight unless we are silenced. If they cannot take the heat (in the Lounge or the Dive), they should get out of the kitchen.
The Dive is a failed experiment. Clearly there is no place here for individual thought.
Posts are being deleted when they don't break any rules without warning. My thread was shut down less than 24 hours after I created it. Again, I didn't break any rules. There was no warning. No explanation. I've had multiple staff members call me an asshole because I don't subscribe to the dictates of the trans movement.
If people are likely to be offended, they should stick to CEPS.
Coney said they can't stay on BlueLight unless we are silenced. If they cannot take the heat (in the Lounge or the Dive), they should get out of the kitchen.
The Dive is a failed experiment. Clearly there is no place here for individual thought.
Las Veghost grower
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I’m a righty and even I think if someone tells your their preferred pronouns the least you can do is abide by them , nothing political about it just showing baseline respect for another person even if you don’t agree with it