The Dark Side of Cannabis

THC is interesting for me. When I was sober from like 2014-2023 the times I would play with THC were always bad, panic/anxiety just poor experiences. But when I became dependant on gabapentin and kratom, THC plays nice with me. It helps when I'm in mini wds. I don't get the panic anymore.

For people like me I definitely have to do indica, sativa will always cause anxiety if I take too much.
 
THC is interesting for me. When I was sober from like 2014-2023 the times I would play with THC were always bad, panic/anxiety just poor experiences. But when I became dependant on gabapentin and kratom, THC plays nice with me. It helps when I'm in mini wds. I don't get the panic anymore.

For people like me I definitely have to do indica, sativa will always cause anxiety if I take too much.
why are u trying to be soo different like u came from sky, like u just said Thc* is interesting for u, why no say cannabis or weed since the thread is about cannabis.
 
Of course there is a dark side of pot. Much darker for some people than others.

The 42% increased chance of stroke is PLENTY THREATENING. (That source checks out)

That does not answer my original question about whether anybody else finds a good amount of these sources/youtube vids (lol) kind of trash? Anyone else clicking them even?

Fentanyl in the weed? I guess its as possible as anything but cmon now.... I know a smear campaign when I see one.

Fought too hard too long on the front line of legalization to let the propaganda flow freely here (By freely I mean unchallenged, by all means use your 1st)
 
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Yeah well, when you've lost everything like I did, you walk away, or you should. It's easy dismissing the articles I posted, but I worked hard researching them, and they all looked carefully written to me. Wanna REALLY look at them one by one, let's see what you've got. Bottom line, I say you're wrong to debase my work, and I'm prepared to defend that.
 
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^ Sorry to offend man. You are absolutely right marijuana is not harmless for everyone .....

It was not really your links that I was talking about at all !! -- which sounds like a cop out so I am going back through the thread to see which ones you posted and if they look sound.

Sincerest Apologies! Any effort made in good faith is appreciated.

You must be Red?? If so do you really want me to start poking holes

Example first video is a Dr. w/e giving his speech -- You do realize there are doctors with all kinds of strong (contradictory) opinions? If I link you a doctor saying pot is good for you cuz its a plant are we going to believe him?
lots of assumptions "People spend lots of time getting it, they will use it in risky situations like driving" Than alot of statements that he did not back whatsoever with sources..... Classic youtube shite

Doctors are quacks! Not most of them.
 
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THC is interesting for me. When I was sober from like 2014-2023 the times I would play with THC were always bad, panic/anxiety just poor experiences. But when I became dependant on gabapentin and kratom, THC plays nice with me. It helps when I'm in mini wds. I don't get the panic anymore.

For people like me I definitely have to do indica, sativa will always cause anxiety if I take too much.

What even is sativa and indica? Must be some other important psychoactive compounds, which ones are they?

I've felt the same from every weed or THC product ever.
 
Sativa grows taller takes longer and yields less. (That is from the point of expert growers in the 90s). Also for said reasons straight sativa is rare to almost gone.

Its just about all hybrids, mostly indica heavy. Obviously exceptions exist..... I surely wouldnt buy that "Sativa is an up get things done high" -- "Indica is couchlock" like they two seperate drugs line though...
 
^ Sorry to offend man. You are absolutely right marijuana is not harmless for everyone .....

It was not really your links that I was talking about at all !! -- which sounds like a cop out so I am going back through the thread to see which ones you posted and if they look sound.

Sincerest Apologies! Any effort made in good faith is appreciated.

You must be Red?? If so do you really want me to start poking holes

Example first video is a Dr. w/e giving his speech -- You do realize there are doctors with all kinds of strong (contradictory) opinions? If I link you a doctor saying pot is good for you cuz its a plant are we going to believe him?
lots of assumptions "People spend lots of time getting it, they will use it in risky situations like driving" Than alot of statements that he did not back whatsoever with sources..... Classic youtube shite

Doctors are quacks! Not most of them.
What means Red? Let me just say, that for me, this is a very personal question. I was the high-flyer pot dealer, I lost EVERYTHING. I'm a strong guy, and believe me, if it can happen to me, it can happen to anyone. So it's mainly a heartfelt message, to anyone out there on their way to going through what I went through - walk away before it's too late. And if you DO want to debate those articles one by one, let's go!
 
Are you the user @red22

If not my comment about the sources not being great does not apply to you at all. Sorry for calling dude out like that but it would be fairly clear to most reading at this point I think -- I haven't looked at all of em but the ones I had were either from very bias places, a youtube video, or the schizophrenia V underlying mental illness argument. A correlation is made between stronger pot and more schizophrenia but does it take into account that there are simply "More diagnosis" --- or mental problems.
(Autism is up a ton but I am not blaming tylenol quite yet...)

Now to answer the question --- oh there is no question -- with all due respect I am not looking to crack you're alternative handle if that is what you mean?

I was also a high flying pot 'user' who has been high for basically the last 20 years. The only part I regret is the probation and lawyer costs -- THANK GOD THEY LEGALIZED. Weed is cheaper, stronger, and no risk of fentanyl or arrest. When I was on probation (over a decade ago) it took me like 56 days to get below the cutoff line and that was fully using the dilution method.

What I am saying is I was definitely a chronic user back than and boredom was by far my largest w/d symptom. Followed by idk sobriety, wild dreams?

YMMV -- I seem to have a massively different experience than mrpeabody when I was forced to cease use.
 
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Are you the user @red22

If not my comment about the sources not being great does not apply to you at all. Sorry for calling dude out like that but it would be fairly clear to most reading at this point I think -- I haven't looked at all of em but the ones I had were either from very bias places, a youtube video, or the schizophrenia V underlying mental illness argument. A correlation is made between stronger pot and more schizophrenia but does it take into account that there are simply "More diagnosis" --- or mental problems.
(Autism is up a ton but I am not blaming tylenol quite yet...)

Now to answer the question --- oh there is no question -- with all due respect I am not looking to crack you're alternative handle if that is what you mean?

I was also a high flying pot 'user' who has been high for basically the last 20 years. The only part I regret is the probation and lawyer costs -- THANK GOD THEY LEGALIZED. Weed is cheaper, stronger, and no risk of fentanyl or arrest. When I was on probation (over a decade ago) it took me like 56 days to get below the cutoff line and that was fully using the dilution method.

What I am saying is I was definitely a chronic user back than and boredom was by far my largest w/d symptom. Followed by idk sobriety, wild dreams?

YMMV -- I seem to have a massively different experience than mrpeabody when I was forced to cease use.
No idea who "Red" is. I'm 74, and all this happened 50 years ago, so I've had plenty of time to reflect on it, and believe me, I know what I'm talking about. 🙏
 
Got ya, than we crossed paths by accident my friend!

I absolutely respect what your lived experience is and believe what you have said 100%. ( I did not see any sources you posted in this thread though? )

My only point here was that those sources are not good --- than I got a little gun ho on the last post I suppose -- not a word of it untrue but I prolly woulda spared the "It worked out great for me" story ---- So far right?

Im not dead yet I could regret this shit yet

PS -- And I mean this GENUINELY -- What was pot like 50 years ago, oh wait shit that is just like the 70s haha i forgot im old too.....How much did pot cost 50 years ago!?

pps. Look at those articles and if you don't see the problem with them as 'sources' --- well how about this. Tell me the hard facts that we have learned in this thread from those 'sources' and we can debate those?
OR I AGREE TO DO THEM ONE BY ONE -- BUT YOU LAY OUT THE POINTS THE VIDEO/TexasChurch/Website made and I will rebuttal them.
(Long story short im not watching that propaganda again but I will debate if you want)
 
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Got ya, than we crossed paths by accident my friend!

I absolutely respect what your lived experience is and believe what you have said 100%. ( I did not see any sources you posted in this thread though? )

My only point here was that those sources are not good --- than I got a little gun ho on the last post I suppose -- not a word of it untrue but I prolly woulda spared the "It worked out great for me" story ---- So far right?

Im not dead yet I could regret this shit yet

PS -- And I mean this GENUINELY -- What was pot like 50 years ago, oh wait shit that is just like the 70s haha i forgot im old too.....How much did pot cost 50 years ago!?

pps. Look at those articles and if you don't see the problem with them as 'sources' --- well how about this. Tell me the hard facts that we have learned in this thread from those 'sources' and we can debate those?
OR I AGREE TO DO THEM ONE BY ONE -- BUT YOU LAY OUT THE POINTS THE VIDEO/TexasChurch/Website made and I will rebuttal them.
(Long story short im not watching that propaganda again but I will debate if you want)
Alright, which article(s) would you like to discuss?

1. Cannabis smoking in teenage years linked to adulthood depression (The Guardian 13 February, 2019)
Study finds one in 14 cases in under-35s could be avoided if teenagers did not use the drug.
An international team of scientists looked at 11 studies published from the mid-1990s onwards, involving a total of more than 23,000 people, they report in the journal JAMA Psychiatry. They explored the use of cannabis for non-medicinal purposes in under-18s. Participants were then followed into adulthood to see who developed clinical depression, anxiety or suicidal behaviour. Scientists believe they have identified about 60,000 cases of depression in adults under 35 in the UK, and more than 400,000 in the US, that could be avoided if adolescents did not smoke cannabis.

2. Cannabis-related psychosis, addiction, ER visits: For young users, marijuana can be a dangerous game (Medical Express 12/25/2019)
Not long ago when Joseph Garbely, chief medical officer for the Caron Foundation, reviewed younger patients starting drug or alcohol treatment on his unit, he usually saw people shaking, sick and seizing from alcohol or opioid withdrawal. Marijuana was seldom what put them in those medical beds. "A few years ago, it was rare to see a young person enter Caron with marijuana-induced psychosis," said Garbely. "Now we see it on a regular basis. Older teens and young adults—approximately ages 18 to 26—are the most impacted. We see a significant missperception about the safety and efficacy of marijuana among our teen and young adult patient population."

3. High potency pot 'strongly linked' to psychosis: study (Medical Express 20 March, 2019)
High potency cannabis, especially when used daily, is "strongly linked" to the risk of developing psychotic disorders such as schizophrenia and paranoia, scientists said Wednesday. In Amsterdam and London—where high-THC marijuana has long been the rule rather than the exception—50 and 30 percent of new psychosis cases, respectively, were associated with potent forms of the drug. The findings, reported The Lancet, bolster a growing body of research connecting pot to a range of mental health disorders.

4. Super-strength cannabis blamed for sending rates of psychosis in London to highest level in major European study (The Independent 19/3/2019)
Super-strength cannabis flooding the streets of London is helping drive psychosis rates there to the highest levels recorded in Europe.
A major new study has found that smoking powerful strains like skunk every day made people five times more likely to develop mental health problems. Nearly a third of cases recorded in south east London hospitals were linked to people smoking these powerful drugs, which now make up 94 per cent of the cannabis sold in the city.

5. Will Smoking Weed Affect My Anxiety? (VICE 22 July 2019)
"Weed and anxiety have always been entwined for me. My experience of getting high amounts to an unpleasantly increased heart-rate, imagining that all my friends secretly think I’m a cunt and berating myself via a cacophony of second-person internal monologues. It took me a bizarrely long time to realise this was not something I enjoyed, but when I eventually did, learning to say no when passed a spliff became the greatest gift I ever gave myself."

6. Smoking skunk cannabis triples risk of serious psychotic episode, says research (The Guardian 16 Feb 2015)
Study of patients at south London hospitals finds those who smoked skunk every day had five times the normal risk of psychosis. Smoking powerful skunk cannabis triples the risk of suffering a serious psychotic episode, scientists have found. In the population studied by the researchers in south London, where cannabis use is widespread, the drug is linked to one quarter of all new cases of psychosis, the team found. The findings add to a compelling body of evidence that smoking strong cannabis “tilts the odds” towards a person developing psychosis, which leads to schizophrenia in about half of cases. The study found that those who smoked skunk every day had five times the normal risk of experiencing extended episodes in which they heard voices, suffered delusions or demonstrated erratic behaviour.

7. Study of 23,000 marijuana users reveals 3 types of people at risk of withdrawal (INVERSE 9 April, 2020)
Weed withdrawal is real, and scientists are looking for answers. People smoke marijuana for lots of reasons, from breaking up workouts to calming anxiety. But if they quit, some get more than they bargained for. Weed withdrawal is not only real: it happens to more people than you might think. In a review of 47 studies on cannabis use, researchers estimate that 47 percent of people who quit experience some cannabis withdrawal symptoms.

8. Systematic review uncovers cannabis withdrawal syndrome among 47% of regular cannabis users (PsyPost 11 August, 2020)
A literature review of 47 studies found that nearly half of cannabis users met criteria for cannabis withdrawal syndrome. The review was published in The Journal of the American Medical Association. Although cannabis is typically seen as a relatively safe drug, research has pointed to various risks associated with regular use. Short-term risks include memory impairment and paranoia and long-term risks range from addiction and cognitive impairment to suicide. More recently, researchers have identified the presence of cannabis withdrawal syndrome (CWS) in a subset of regular users.

9. Link between marijuana use, mental illness is clear (The Concord Monitor 02/13/2019)
While being heavily marketed as medicinal, marijuana’s 2 percent THC content of the 1970s has increased to 20 to 25 percent today. Usage escalated alongside potency. The 10 percent of Americans who used cannabis at least once in 2006 rose to 15 percent by 2017, while heavy usage increased from 3 million to 8 million. Mental health issues doubled simultaneously among marijuana’s heaviest users, young adults ages 18 to 25. Increases in opioid usage, contributing to our current epidemic, also escalated simultaneously. People who used cannabis in 2001 were almost three times as likely to use opiates three years later.

10. New research raises questions about the link between cannabis use and depression among adolescents (PsyPost 8 August, 2020)
New research published in Drug and Alcohol Dependence has found a complicated and counterintuitive relationship between cannabis use among adolescents and depression. The study found that adolescents who had used cannabis at any point were more likely to show symptoms of depression, but more frequent consumption was associated with reduced odds of depression among cannabis users.

11. 40% of current cannabis users score positive for disorder (The Irish Examiner 13 Mar, 2021)
Four out of ten current users of cannabis score positive for a cannabis use disorder, new research has found. The study, conducted by health experts in University College Cork (UCC) and the Health Research Board (HRB), suggests that the findings should be considered in the debate about the liberalisation of cannabis laws. The study, reported in the European Journal of Public Health, said that being young, male, and of a lower level of education was “significantly related” to having cannabis-use disorder (CUD).

12. High Potency Cannabis Linked to Anxiety Disorder, More Serious Cannabis Use (Psychiatry Advisor 10 June, 2020)
Adults who use high potency cannabis are more likely to report problems resulting from cannabis use and anxiety disorder compared with those who use lower potency strains, according to an article published in JAMA Psychiatry. Policy changes, including decriminalization and legalization, have occurred alongside the proliferation of high potency cannabis, which may lead to more memory issues or psychotic effects.

13. Is Marijuana Addictive? Marijuana isn't harmless, and some people may become addicted (VeryWellMind 10/12/25)
Marijuana can have serious health risks, including negative effects on cognition, an increased risk for psychosis, and a risk for dependence and addiction. Withdrawal from marijuana may include anxiety, insomnia, and mood swings. Today's marijuana is more potent and might lead to higher chances of addiction. While marijuana is one of the most commonly used drugs, many people have the same question: Is marijuana addictive? It is not uncommon, and certain factors may increase your risk.

14. Contrary to widespread belief, cannabis addiction is possible. (Global News 17 August. 2019)
“When I smoke a joint, one is never enough, and I want to smoke another and I want to smoke another,” explains Courtney Head of Fort McMurray, Alta. Head, now 31, started smoking cannabis in her mid-20s. “I tried it and I thought it was the best thing ever,” she said. “It’s relaxing, it’s this, it’s that. I kind of started smoking it socially — it wasn’t an everyday use kind of thing — but over time, I guess the more I smoked, the more I wanted to smoke.” Over time, her consumption hit seven or eight grams every two days — “about 10 joints a day, depending on how big they are” — and she was diagnosed with cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome, a condition that afflicts some heavy users with pain, constant nausea and the threat of dangerous levels of dehydration.

15. High potency cannabis linked to higher rates of psychosis (Neuroscience News 20 March, 2019)
Daily use of cannabis with high concentrations of THC is linked to an increased risk of experiencing psychosis-like symptoms
New research from King’s College London is the first to show the impact of cannabis use on population rates of psychosis, highlighting the potential public health impact of changes to cannabis legislation. The study of 11 sites across Europe, published in The Lancet Psychiatry, finds daily cannabis use, especially of high potency cannabis, is strongly linked to the risk of developing psychosis. In cities where high potency cannabis is widely available, such as London and Amsterdam, the study finds a significant proportion of new cases of psychosis are associated with daily cannabis use and high potency cannabis.

16. Cannabis Use Disorder: Know the Signs ( Health Central Apr 20, 2023)
As marijuana use becomes increasingly mainstream, with 38 states, three territories, and the District of Columbia legalizing the drug for medicinal and/or recreational use, consumption is on the rise—leading to the question, how much marijuana is too much? Despite its prevalence and increasing legalization, however, marijuana remains classified by the US Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) as a Schedule I drug, along with heroin and LSD, due to its high potential for abuse and the absence of currently accepted medical use. As such, marijuana is still federally illegal and, according to research on substance abuse disorders, potentially dangerous.

17. High-Potency Marijuana Use Linked with Psychosis Risk (Live Science 20 March, 2019)
People who use marijuana on a daily basis may be at increased risk for developing psychosis, particularly if they use high-potency marijuana, a new study from Europe suggests. The study analyzed information from more than 1,200 people without psychosis living in 10 European cities and one city in Brazil, and compared them with 900 people living in those same cities who were diagnosed for the first time with psychosis. The researchers found that people who reported using marijuana daily were three times more likely to have a diagnosis of first-episode psychosis, compared with people who reported never using the drug. What's more, those who reported using high-potency marijuana on a daily basis were five times more likely to have a diagnosis of first-episode psychosis, compared with those who never used it.
 
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Alright, which article(s) would you like to discuss?

1. Cannabis smoking in teenage years linked to adulthood depression (The Guardian 13 February, 2019)
Study finds one in 14 cases in under-35s could be avoided if teenagers did not use the drug.
An international team of scientists looked at 11 studies published from the mid-1990s onwards, involving a total of more than 23,000 people, they report in the journal JAMA Psychiatry. They explored the use of cannabis for non-medicinal purposes in under-18s. Participants were then followed into adulthood to see who developed clinical depression, anxiety or suicidal behaviour.

It is hardly surprising that those who choose to indulge in drugs under 18 have a higher chance of depression. Common sense?

They run the #'s on any other substances?

2. Cannabis-related psychosis, addiction, ER visits: For young users, marijuana can be a dangerous game (Medical Express 12/25/2019)
Not long ago when Joseph Garbely, chief medical officer for the Caron Foundation, reviewed younger patients starting drug or alcohol treatment on his unit, he usually saw people shaking, sick and seizing from alcohol or opioid withdrawal. Marijuana was seldom what put them in those medical beds. "A few years ago, it was rare to see a young person enter Caron with marijuana-induced psychosis," said Garbely. "Now we see it on a regular basis. Older teens and young adults—approximately ages 18 to 26—are the most impacted. We see a significant missperception about the safety and efficacy of marijuana among our teen and young adult patient population."
Dr Joseph Garby works for the Caron foundation which is inpatient rehab and he is therefor financially motivated to lean towards hyperbole of marijuana abuse. He also blurs the line between seizures and "Marijuana pyschosis" (Kind of a bullshit term which im sure we will get to). Bottom line the man needs to put bodies in beds and this is a convenient narrative.
3. High potency pot 'strongly linked' to psychosis: study (Medical Express 20 March, 2019)
High potency cannabis, especially when used daily, is "strongly linked" to the risk of developing psychotic disorders such as schizophrenia and paranoia, scientists said Wednesday. In Amsterdam and London—where high-THC marijuana has long been the rule rather than the exception—50 and 30 percent of new psychosis cases, respectively, were associated with potent forms of the drug. The findings, reported The Lancet, bolster a growing body of research connecting pot to a range of mental health disorders.

I ask again if more people are developing psychotic disorders or if more are simply going to the doctor for diagnosis. Marijuana or any psychedelic will certainly bring out underlying mental conditions. Correlation does not equal causation.

4. Super-strength cannabis blamed for sending rates of psychosis in London to highest level in major European study (The Independent 19/3/2019)
Super-strength cannabis flooding the streets of London is helping drive psychosis rates there to the highest levels recorded in Europe.
A major new study has found that smoking powerful strains like skunk every day made people five times more likely to develop mental health problems. Nearly a third of cases recorded in south east London hospitals were linked to people smoking these powerful drugs, which now make up 94 per cent of the cannabis sold in the city.

Same comment basically. I would like to see the 'major study' that says smoking powerful strains like skunk make you five times more likely to develop mental health issues.....
5. Will Smoking Weed Affect My Anxiety? (VICE 22 July 2019)
"Weed and anxiety have always been entwined for me. My experience of getting high amounts to an unpleasantly increased heart-rate, imagining that all my friends secretly think I’m a cunt and berating myself via a cacophony of second-person internal monologues. It took me a bizarrely long time to realise this was not something I enjoyed, but when I eventually did, learning to say no when passed a spliff became the greatest gift I ever gave myself."
I got no argument with this one. Some people get bad anxiety when they smoke weed. Dont smoke it if you dont enjoy the experience?
6. Smoking skunk cannabis triples risk of serious psychotic episode, says research (The Guardian 16 Feb 2015)
Study of patients at south London hospitals finds those who smoked skunk every day had five times the normal risk of psychosis. Smoking powerful skunk cannabis triples the risk of suffering a serious psychotic episode, scientists have found. In the population studied by the researchers in south London, where cannabis use is widespread, the drug is linked to one quarter of all new cases of psychosis, the team found. The findings add to a compelling body of evidence that smoking strong cannabis “tilts the odds” towards a person developing psychosis, which leads to schizophrenia in about half of cases. The study found that those who smoked skunk every day had five times the normal risk of experiencing extended episodes in which they heard voices, suffered delusions or demonstrated erratic behaviour.
Triples I thought it was x5 -- this is the guardian again I am noting (ill look into that later) Its a very similar premise to the last two. It would be important to actually see these studies to see if pot was the only drug these people were popping for along with many other variables.
7. Study of 23,000 marijuana users reveals 3 types of people at risk of withdrawal (INVERSE 9 April, 2020)
Weed withdrawal is real, and scientists are looking for answers. People smoke marijuana for lots of reasons, from breaking up workouts to calming anxiety. But if they quit, some get more than they bargained for. Weed withdrawal is not only real: it happens to more people than you might think. In a review of 47 studies on cannabis use, researchers estimate that 47 percent of people who quit experience some cannabis withdrawal symptoms.
The thing about withdrawl is it tends to happen to EVERYONE who is dependent. Noone is taking 15 oxy's a day that stopping with no w/d. 0% --- Here we are looking at under 50% and 'some' self reported w/d.
8. Systematic review uncovers cannabis withdrawal syndrome among 47% of regular cannabis users (PsyPost 11 August, 2020)
A literature review of 47 studies found that nearly half of cannabis users met criteria for cannabis withdrawal syndrome. The review was published in The Journal of the American Medical Association. Although cannabis is typically seen as a relatively safe drug, research has pointed to various risks associated with regular use. Short-term risks include memory impairment and paranoia and long-term risks range from addiction and cognitive impairment to suicide. More recently, researchers have identified the presence of cannabis withdrawal syndrome (CWS) in a subset of regular users.
Same comment, under 50% withdrawal --- there are forums dedicated to the withdrawals of all kinds of drugs we do not really consider physical dependancy with. Ppl gunna be ppl. If it was the pot that # would be up near 95% at least.

There is clearly an agenda with both 7 and 8.

9. Link between marijuana use, mental illness is clear (The Concord Monitor 02/13/2019)
While being heavily markete
srry I deleted some of that one -- but the basic premise was "Pot leads to opiates often" --- same old gateway drug BS. Whatever drug you try and enjoy is going to lead to you trying the next one...
10. New research raises questions about the link between cannabis use and depression among adolescents (PsyPost 8 August, 2020)
New research published in Drug and Alcohol Dependence has found a complicated and counterintuitive relationship between cannabis use among adolescents and depression. The study found that adolescents who had used cannabis at any point were more likely to show symptoms of depression, but more frequent consumption was associated with reduced odds of depression among cannabis users.
People who choose to use drugs have a higher rate of depression; not shocking.
11. 40% of current cannabis users score positive for disorder (The Irish Examiner 13 Mar, 2021)
Four out of ten current users of cannabis score positive for a cannabis use disorder, new research has found. The study, conducted by health experts in University College Cork (UCC) and the Health Research Board (HRB), suggests that the findings should be considered in the debate about the liberalisation of cannabis laws. The study, reported in the European Journal of Public Health, said that being young, male, and of a lower level of education was “significantly related” to having cannabis-use disorder (CUD).
The Irish Examiner, get outta here with that. "Cannabis use disorder" makes me chuckle.

12. High Potency Cannabis Linked to Anxiety Disorder, More Serious Cannabis Use (Psychiatry Advisor 10 June, 2020)
Adults who use high potency cannabis are more likely to report problems resulting from cannabis use and anxiety disorder compared with those who use lower potency strains, according to an article published in JAMA Psychiatry. Policy changes, including decriminalization and legalization, have occurred alongside the proliferation of high potency cannabis, which may lead to more memory issues or psychotic effects.
Stronger psychedelics will lead to the underlying mental problems coming out quicker. Pot is no exception I suppose. Alot of people do get real anxious when they smoke (Too much/too strong) I do not dispute that.
13. Is Marijuana Addictive? Marijuana isn't harmless, and some people may become addicted (VeryWellMind 10/12/25)
Marijuana can have serious health risks, including negative effects on cognition, an increased risk for psychosis, and a risk for dependence and addiction. Withdrawal from marijuana may include anxiety, insomnia, and mood swings. Today's marijuana is more potent and might lead to higher chances of addiction.

I dont disagree, marijuana is not necessarily harmless. They are clearly using "Todays super potent pot" as the new boogeyman scapegoat for reefermadness 2.0 however.

14. Contrary to widespread belief, cannabis addiction is possible. (Global News 17 August. 2019)
“When I smoke a joint, one is never enough, and I want to smoke another and I want to smoke another,” explains Courtney Head of Fort McMurray, Alta. Head, now 31, started smoking cannabis in her mid-20s. “I tried it and I thought it was the best thing ever,” she said. “It’s relaxing, it’s this, it’s that. I kind of started smoking it socially — it wasn’t an everyday use kind of thing — but over time, I guess the more I smoked, the more I wanted to smoke.” Over time, her consumption hit seven or eight grams every two days — “about 10 joints a day, depending on how big they are” — and she was diagnosed with cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome, a condition that afflicts some heavy users with pain, constant nausea and the threat of dangerous levels of dehydration.
Anything addiction is possible. Creatures of habit.
15. High potency cannabis linked to higher rates of psychosis (Neuroscience News 20 March, 2019)
Daily use of cannabis with high concentrations of THC is linked to an increased risk of experiencing psychosis-like symptoms
New research from King’s College London is the first to show the impact of cannabis use on population rates of psychosis, highlighting the potential public health impact of changes to cannabis legislation. The study of 11 sites across Europe, published in The Lancet Psychiatry, finds daily cannabis use, especially of high potency cannabis, is strongly linked to the risk of developing psychosis. In cities where high potency cannabis is widely available, such as London and Amsterdam, the study finds a significant proportion of new cases of psychosis are associated with daily cannabis use and high potency cannabis.
Neuroscience news is actually a good source -- same underlying psychosis shit though. Just not straight propagandized.
16. Cannabis Use Disorder: Know the Signs ( Health Central Apr 20, 2023)
As marijuana use becomes increasingly mainstream, with 38 states, three territories, and the District of Columbia legalizing the drug for medicinal and/or recreational use, consumption is on the rise—leading to the question, how much marijuana is too much? Despite its prevalence and increasing legalization, however, marijuana remains classified by the US Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) as a Schedule I drug, along with heroin and LSD, due to its high potential for abuse and the absence of currently accepted medical use. As such, marijuana is still federally illegal and, according to research on substance abuse disorders, potentially dangerous.
The fact that they have to include POTENTIALLY before dangerous really makes my whole case.
17. High-Potency Marijuana Use Linked with Psychosis Risk (Live Science 20 March, 2019)
People who use marijuana on a daily basis may be at increased risk for developing psychosis, particularly if they use high-potency marijuana, a new study from Europe suggests. The study analyzed information from more than 1,200 people without psychosis living in 10 European cities and one city in Brazil, and compared them with 900 people living in those same cities who were diagnosed for the first time with psychosis. The researchers found that people who reported using marijuana daily were three times more likely to have a diagnosis of first-episode psychosis, compared with people who reported never using the drug. What's more, those who reported using high-potency marijuana on a daily basis were five times more likely to have a diagnosis of first-episode psychosis, compared with those who never used it.

Shit is there some thoughts about high potency pot and psychosis .... Yes again any psychedelic can bring out underlying mental illness (such as psychosis) -- the stronger the psychedelic the larger the chance of the illness showing quickly and profoundly.
Correlation does not equal causation. Terms like "Associated with" "Linked to" need a great deal of clarification

So "You may go crazy, start to use hard drugs, or end up in horrible withdrawal" --- I remember that same shitty speech from DARE in the 90s. No more true now than it was than.

50 years ago pot wasn't meant for some people and it still isn't now. That 42% increase chance of stroke is still the real bitch of the bunch. (42 percent higher than the idk 10% it already is, so 10 to 14.2% we'll say, still sucks!)
 
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It is hardly surprising that those who choose to indulge in drugs under 18 have a higher chance of depression. Common sense?

They run the #'s on any other substances?


Dr Joseph Garby works for the Caron foundation which is inpatient rehab and he is therefor financially motivated to lean towards hyperbole of marijuana abuse. He also blurs the line between seizures and "Marijuana pyschosis" (Kind of a bullshit term which im sure we will get to). Bottom line the man needs to put bodies in beds and this is a convenient narrative.


I ask again if more people are developing psychotic disorders or if more are simply going to the doctor for diagnosis. Marijuana or any psychedelic will certainly bring out underlying mental conditions. Correlation does not equal causation.



Same comment basically. I would like to see the 'major study' that says smoking powerful strains like skunk make you five times more likely to develop mental health issues.....

I got no argument with this one. Some people get bad anxiety when they smoke weed. Dont smoke it if you dont enjoy the experience?

Triples I thought it was x5 -- this is the guardian again I am noting (ill look into that later) Its a very similar premise to the last two. It would be important to actually see these studies to see if pot was the only drug these people were popping for along with many other variables.

The thing about withdrawl is it tends to happen to EVERYONE who is dependent. Noone is taking 15 oxy's a day that stopping with no w/d. 0% --- Here we are looking at under 50% and 'some' self reported w/d.

Same comment, under 50% withdrawal --- there are forums dedicated to the withdrawals of all kinds of drugs we do not really consider physical dependancy with. Ppl gunna be ppl. If it was the pot that # would be up near 95% at least.

There is clearly an agenda with both 7 and 8.


srry I deleted some of that one -- but the basic premise was "Pot leads to opiates often" --- same old gateway drug BS. Whatever drug you try and enjoy is going to lead to you trying the next one...

People who choose to use drugs have a higher rate of depression; not shocking.

The Irish Examiner, get outta here with that. "Cannabis use disorder" makes me chuckle.


Stronger psychedelics will lead to the underlying mental problems coming out quicker. Pot is no exception I suppose. Alot of people do get real anxious when they smoke (Too much/too strong) I do not dispute that.


I dont disagree, marijuana is not necessarily harmless. They are clearly using "Todays super potent pot" as the new boogeyman scapegoat for reefermadness 2.0 however.


Anything addiction is possible. Creatures of habit.

Neuroscience news is actually a good source -- same underlying psychosis shit though. Just not straight propagandized.

The fact that they have to include POTENTIALLY before dangerous really makes my whole case.


Shit is there some thoughts about high potency pot and psychosis .... Yes again any psychedelic can bring out underlying mental illness (such as psychosis) -- the stronger the psychedelic the larger the chance of the illness showing quickly and profoundly.
Correlation does not equal causation. Terms like "Associated with" "Linked to" need a great deal of clarification

So "You may go crazy, start to use hard drugs, or end up in horrible withdrawal" --- I remember that same shitty speech from DARE in the 90s. No more true now than it was than.

50 years ago pot wasn't meant for some people and it still isn't now. That 42% increase chance of stroke is still the real bitch of the bunch. (42 percent higher than the idk 10% it already is, so 10 to 14.2% we'll say, still sucks!)
Alright, so your position on prestigious scientific journals is they are basically propaganda, and they ought to be dismissed out of hand by concerned users seeking authoritative answers, correct?
 
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Absolutely not!

My position is that each study should be viewed on it's own merits.

I looked at each of those studies and gave you my opinion on them - which (mostly) is they are coming from highly questionable sources at a highly questionable time and giving the same speech they were 30 years ago!!

Methodology and details needed to authenticate these studies do not seem to exist. Who is funding these studies. Were the participants on other drugs as well. etc. than the vague terms like "Associated with" -- "Linked to", Self reported w/d's of under 50% (Placebo is what 30%,) .... dont pretend I am rejecting science! Many of your "sources" are one persons anecdotal story cmon bro.

There is nothing 'longterm' if they are riding there cards on "No its dangerous NOW because it is more potent!!" -- Yea but you said that and had similar studies leading people the same way 30 yrs ago and you basically admitting 'ok ok ok, it we lied THAN but NOW' --- Boys that cry youll get bitch-tits and turn into a wolf.

I suggest you pick one study that is fully transparent as I do admit I did not giving proper time to each one (especially the repeat claims, which surely do hold more weight)

Some of the 'sources' are even contradictory.

Glad that shit is Sched 3 now as even the damn gov had to relent on the associated dangers...

Also prestigious? "The Irish Examiner" "Healthcentral, posted on april 20th" "Verywellmind" "Psypost" "The concord monitor" "Inverse" "livescience" --- NOT PRESTIGIOUS (anyone trust everything any of those groups say?? - cuz I never heard of em except the Irish Examiner and not for good reasons)

I was surprised to see neuroscience and VICE (no argument with the VICE article) in there; though IT IS ONE PERSONS ANECDOTE -- if I were picking a study to go in depth with I may go with the neuroscience one; totally your choice though
 
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Absolutely not!

My position is that each study should be viewed on it's own merits.

I looked at each of those studies and gave you my opinion on them - which (mostly) is they are coming from highly questionable sources at a highly questionable time and giving the same speech they were 30 years ago!!

Methodology and details needed to authenticate these studies do not seem to exist. Who is funding these studies. Were the participants on other drugs as well. etc. than the vague terms like "Associated with" -- "Linked to", Self reported w/d's of under 50% (Placebo is what 30%,) .... dont pretend I am rejecting science! Many of your "sources" are one persons anecdotal story cmon bro.

There is nothing 'longterm' if they are riding there cards on "No its dangerous NOW because it is more potent!!" -- Yea but you said that and had similar studies leading people the same way 30 yrs ago and you basically admitting 'ok ok ok, it we lied THAN but NOW' --- Boys that cry youll get bitch-tits and turn into a wolf.

I suggest you pick one study that is fully transparent as I do admit I did not giving proper time to each one (especially the repeat claims, which surely do hold more weight)

Some of the 'sources' are even contradictory.

Glad that shit is Sched 3 now as even the damn gov had to relent on the associated dangers...

Also prestigious? "The Irish Examiner" "Healthcentral, posted on april 20th" "Verywellmind" "Psypost" "The concord monitor" "Inverse" "livescience" --- NOT PRESTIGIOUS (anyone trust everything any of those groups say?? - cuz I never heard of em except the Irish Examiner and not for good reasons)

I was surprised to see neuroscience and VICE (no argument with the VICE article) in there; though IT IS ONE PERSONS ANECDOTE -- if I were picking a study to go in depth with I may go with the neuroscience one; totally your choice though
At the start of this you said "Are most of these sources trash or is it just me?" If that's your position, we're done.
 
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Than we are done as most of those sources are trash and I do believe most people should be able to see the problems I pointed out with them in my last post.

"Pseudo-science" largely to create the same scare tactics they used in the past revamped under "Now its more potent though, trust us this time" -- sorry only if the study is transparent and well conducted is it to be fully trusted.

Like the one that dictates strokes are 42% more likely THAT SUCKS.
 
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