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To be honest I am serious when I say the entire section to be closed, Folly just needs to be educated a little more on the facts of MDMA and he'd be fine. It's complete false information here, it's not harm reduction it's complete scaremongering with all this '3 MONTHS BREAK OR YOUR FUCKED!' business. People are forgetting that for a large number of situations the comedown is half in your head, it's the threads in this section that lead to the kind've mindset that causes avoidable comedowns.

Also, as for magic I believe people have confused the word with novelty. The same thing occurs with every drug, taken MDMA many many times and never lost the magic. Just the initial tolerance and novelty wore off, happened with weed, opiates, psychedelics like acid. Every drug I've bashed often. But I'm not even going to go into it as it's been covered hundreds of times and members here such as Folly don't really seem open to discussion and seem to be more interested in claiming 'this is the way the forum is so that's that', whatever happened to Bluelight being a place of harm reduction? When I first joined this place I saw it as a place where I could get the complete pure facts on drugs, without the propaganda or the scaremongering tactics. All this stuff about year breaks of MDMA and scaring about dosing more than twice a month is comparable to telling someone they'd go psychotic from smoking grass once on terms of spreading misinformation.

I understand there is quite a difference in MDMA users in the UK and America, but the facts are the same and I believe it'd be worth listening to some of the real information and experiences that some of the EADD members can provide on taking MDMA regularly as some have been doing it since the early 90s and are prime examples that this is all misinformation. I understand being cautious, but if I thought all this shit when I began taking pills as soon as the effects were wearing off I'd be shitting it about a comedown and then I'd get one and it's reflected here. I find it crazy that this drug has been extremely popular since the early 90s with people using regularly at least once every weekend and we have people worrying about wearing a hat while taking it?
 
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Look Folley, I've said my point I'm not going to waste my time nit picking and going through your posts just so I can change my wording slightly when the original point is still there in the first place. See the '3 months break or your fucked!' as an indirect quote or something. You are misinformed about MDMA, it's clear from your posts, I understand you have experience with the drug but it's not any kind've experience for you to go around branding your own claims as fact and spreading lies to others whether you see it as that or not.

Take it as advice? You clearly try really hard here as can be seen from your posts and the way your getting on to spread information on MDMA, information that you see as fact. So why not just sit back for a second, go do a bit more research, maybe speak to some members of Bluelight who have more experience than you (not in a patronising way or age thing) and then you can spread your information with just as much enthusiasm only this time it will be correct and it's better for everyone. You gain knowledge on something you've an interest in and those you spread the knowledge to will be much better off with the facts.
 
I'm getting sick to the stomach of these generalisations. Nobody is saying if you take it more than once every 3 months you will die or whatever. NOBODY is saying that.

I have and do binged on MDMA but I take the neccesary breaks afterwards to give my brain and body a chance. I can't even stomach the thought of taking MDMA every weekend. I've done two days benders, but you can feel the punishment your body is taking. I also think a lot of people's comedown issues are all in their head, I've even said in people's threads that this is the case; "mind over matter".

I do not think Shulgin is the be all and end all of MDMA research. I think as a GENERAL RULE you should be limiting yourself to taking MDMA once a month. I myself have done two day benders one weekend then the following week done it again, and the following week. Then I took an extended break. You and I both know there isn't enough research being done on this to give a proper answer about how long you should abstain, if at all. What some posters are saying is that there is no need at all then, this is the problem.

How you take your drugs is your own business, but this forum is about (and If I have to repeat this again I swear to God) HR, and prevention over remedy. Nobody is saying you're not allowed to take MDMA every day/weekend, that's your business. But stop telling everybody else it's okay, because the one time somebody gets real fucked up (some people have a better tolerance to drugs than others) then it is YOUR FAULT.

Some of the advice in this paticular sub-forum is over the top but how many people do you really think agree that somebody should take a two year break? Use your brain mate.

I must have written this same post five times in the last two days. If you have a problem then PM an admin about it, but now I'm handing out infractions to anyone flouting this forum's rules.
 
OK.

MY point is that you are completely misunderstanding what I have been saying.


I have NEVER told someone a three month break is necessary. I tell them ONE month is recommended, and that is from my own personal experience with MDMA, and many others agree with my whole heartedly.



If you're going to talk some shit about what I say, you DAMN WELL better be ready to back that shit up. But you refuse to, because you know you can't, so that should show something about the strength of your point. If you wish to continue this debate you can find something that I said and use that as evidence, but until then.... keep your damn dirty words out of my mouth.
 
Just to clear up, if the above is directed at me in any way. I haven't been encouraging anyone to take MDMA every weekend, I've been saying it's ridiculous the amount of misinformation on MDMA that is thrown about this place day by day considering Bluelight is a harm reduction forum and this is Ecstacy Discussion. It's like we are talking about a completely different drug in here. There is a complete over-exaggeration on many things related to the subject and the reason it causes such a stir is because this seems to be the only place it happens on Bluelight?

I go to Cannabis Discussion there is a few silly first timer questions about weed but that's standard, same for Psychedelic Discussion, same for Other Drugs, etc, etc. This section however is just thread after thread of misinformation and even if the same question comes up again the same wrong information is being given. It's almost like a troll board.

I just don't understand why there is a fight for the norm here rather than the facts, when this is a harm reduction board. No other section of Bluelight exaggerates like this one. In Psychedelic Discussion you ask about acid tolerance and most will say two weeks, when there are plenty of those members who only take acid once every few months. Obviously these aren't the same drugs and can't be compared but here we have complete over exaggeration on MDMA and there isn't anything even close in the other areas of BL.

Edit: See Folly this is exactly what I mean. These past two pages haven't been a debate/argument over MDMA, it's been whether you are correct or not. I'm not interested in fighting over who wins the argument, I'm interested in spreading the correct facts about a drug. There's been about 4-5 people (wait I'll change that to 3-4 just in case for you!) who have turned round and said you are wrong, speaks for itself.
 
Folley said:
blahblahblah....but until then.... keep your damn dirty words out of my mouth.
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StrutterGear, I haven't come on here and once said that its fine for people to take MDMA more than once a month.

I haven't said it's fine to triple dose a double drop.

I've just said that me,and my peergroup have done this regularly, repeatedly, over many years, and NOT ONE PERSON has shown any long term symptoms.

I advise people to take a 3 month break, but I haven't seen in my experience that breaking that rule causes any harm.
 
What misinformation are we talking about?

Regularly stating you've taken MDMA every weekend for 4 years (as somebody did yesterday) with no ill effect works against other advice. How many Guests do you think we get on this forum? "If he did it, I'll be ok".
 
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That kid was 15, he shouldn't be rolling at all. But HARM REDUCTION is not about telling people to not do drugs, it's telling people how they can use drugs in the SAFEST WAY.



I just don't understand why there is a fight for the norm here rather than the facts, when this is a harm reduction board. No other section of Bluelight exaggerates like this one. In Psychedelic Discussion you ask about acid tolerance and most will say two weeks, when there are plenty of those members who only take acid once every few months. Obviously these aren't the same drugs and can't be compared but here we have complete over exaggeration on MDMA and there isn't anything even close in the other areas of BL.
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Do you just not know how MDMA works AT ALL or what? Comparing MDMA tolerance to LSD tolerance is fucking laughable. MDMA release serotonin in MASSIVE amounts, your body NEEDS time to recover from this kind of blow.


That is not up for debate.


LSD however is a binding agonist that causes no release of neurochemicals, meaning you can do it quite often with little physical harm, not to mention it is completely non-toxic while I can show several ways in with MDMA is inherently neuro-toxic right now



StrutterGear said:
What misinformation are we talking about?
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I would like to know as well, everything I have said has been proven true time and time again. I don't scare people away from MDMA, I simply give them the facts so they can make their own informed decisions.
 
StrutterGear said:
What misinformation are we talking about?

Regularly stating you've taken MDMA every weekend for 4 years (as somebody did yesterday) with no ill effect works against other advice. How many Guests do you think we get on this forum? "If he did it, I'll be ok".
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So are you going to censor people from telling their experience of ecstasy, on an ecstasy discussion board?

That's all I have done. People have to weigh up the risks, based on what information they have available. Is one-sided information the best course to take?
 
Folley said:
Do you just not know how MDMA works AT ALL or what? Comparing MDMA tolerance to LSD tolerance is fucking laughable. MDMA release serotonin in MASSIVE amounts, your body NEEDS time to recover from this kind of blow.


That is not up for debate.
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I'm sorry Folly, I was completely wrong. LSD is in fact different to MDMA and this is not something I knew before. You couldn't have been more on point.

Folly ignore what I previously said a few posts up, you are a lost cause. Anyway I've made my point so that's my routine 6 month visit to the disaster that is ED done!

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Mailmonkey said:
So are you going to censor people from telling their experience of ecstasy, on an ecstasy discussion board?


That's all I have done. People have to weigh up the risks, based on what information they have available. Is one-sided information the best course to take?
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^ No, you've been telling people that no matter how much they take, they will be fine.

Someone could easily read the things you have posted here and interpret that rolling once a week is PERFECTLY fine, because all you and your friends have done it for 20 years and not a single one of you has any problems.




You so sure about that BTW? Are you really that sure that all your raver buddies are telling you how extremely depressed they get after they take MDMA? I keep that kind of shit to myself.
 
Mailmonkey said:
So are you going to censor people from telling their experience of ecstasy, on an ecstasy discussion board?

That's all I have done. People have to weigh up the risks, based on what information they have available. Is one-sided information the best course to take?
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I haven't censored anything so I'd back up a bit mate.

I'm not sure if I want to repeat myself again, it's just becoming a bit of a joke really.
 
StrutterGear said:
I haven't censored anything so I'd back up a bit mate.

I'm not sure if I want to repeat myself again, it's just becoming a bit of a joke really.
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I asked if you were GOING TO censor people, I haven't suggested that you have done.

You don't seem to want people posting their experiences with ecstasy, real experiences, that don't bear out your rules for consumption.
 
SpecialK_ said:
People are forgetting that for a large number of situations the comedown is half in your head, it's the threads in this section that lead to the kind've mindset that causes avoidable comedowns.
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+1. a lot of the next day/after effects are just in your head. i feel knowledge (e.g., about half-life of MDMA) and experience gathered from previous comedowns works to reduce anxiety and paranoia the day or two after using.
 
I agrree that worrying about comedowns is very counter-productive

you can easily talk yourself into a comedown by worrying about post-loading supplements, and whether your pre-load regimen was tight enough..
 
Mailmonkey said:
I asked if you were GOING TO censor people, I haven't suggested that you have done.

You don't seem to want people posting their experiences with ecstasy, real experiences, that don't bear out your rules for consumption.
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You don't seem to realise the prescedent that is set. I am a living example of that you can get away with abusing MDMA for short periods; I often go through a month of taking loads and then none at all for 3-4 months. That is my choice. Everybody has their own choice, and should be presented with the facts to make an INFORMED choice.

HOWEVER, abusing MDMA CAN damage your brain, that much is true. To what extent nobody knows for sure YET, and nobody really knows how long it takes to recover properly YET. Every individual is different; what has worked out for you may not work out for somebody else. I don't want to be that guy who says it's ok to get on it 3 days in a row in at a festival and then somebody has to take a trip to hospital.

What you're saying is they might not die, so it's ok. Who's rules are you talking about? My rules? Do I own this forum? I always say wait a month, and I don't think that's wrong to give as advice. The longer you wait the more time you have to recover, that is a fact.
 
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You don't seem to want people posting their experiences with ecstasy, real experiences, that don't bear out your rules for consumption.
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You said yourself that for the last 8 years, your OWN experiences have been very rare in frequency....... so you lying to us, or to yourself?


You can abuse drugs and come out just fine... if you're lucky. But that's not what Bluelight is about. Were not here to help people find out what they can get away with, we are here to help them find the SAFEST way of using drugs. If they find our measures to be over the top, they are welcome not to follow them but they must accept the risks in doing so.



I'm done here, you guys don't seem to be able to actually debate without making snide comments and insults, so I'm not going to waste my time reiterating the same posts as before.




I do find it a bit funny that SpecialK is saying this forum should be shut down because we are telling people to use drugs safely, and then lists the reason for why it should be as "Harm Reduction". You guys need to sort out your priorities.
 
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