Conspiracies The Covid Narrative

[JackARoe]

One thing participating in this forum has taught me, the main thing really, is humanizing people who share diametrically opposing viewpoints, and understanding where people are coming from and that they have reasons. This is extremely important as it helps me to become less judgmental. I really try not to judge even when I'm trying to tell someone I think they're wrong. I look back and notice a big difference in my ability to do that from the early days/before posting in here, to now.

There was an episode of the original Star Trek called Day Of The Dove. Kirks crew and the klingons kept fighting and fighting. They discover a being on the ship that fed off of their fighting. The more they fought the stronger the entity got. So Kirk and Kang figure it out and stop fighting. I really feel with all the division between peope some being is feeding off of it. lol And what you just described Xorkoth is the antidote to that fighting. I am practicing it too. Trying more for unity.

This is from Wiki on that episode Day Of The Dove

As they clash, and with the entity hovering and pulsating a bright red nearby, Kirk implores Kang to stop, telling him that they may become its puppets for a thousand lifetimes if they continue to fight. Kang acknowledges Kirk's warning and the fact that their fighting is pointless. Kirk and Kang order their respective crews to lay down their arms. To starve the entity, Kirk and Kang encourage their crews to act jovially and to laugh with one another loudly. The entity fades and leaves the ship.

 

[deficiT]

We can see the light at the end of the tunnel, but I'm not convinced that it isn't a mirage.

You're a swell guy birdo; you're right, the virus has caused some people to lose sight of how to be decent.

 

[birdup]

@deficiT That's nice of you to say. I'm not so sure. I'm really struggling with civility at the moment. I can contain it, but it's like a rage inside me. I don't like it. It reminds me of the past. @Xorkoth I agree about unity fundamentally in all situations, but sometimes (rarely) certain topics heighten me emotionally and I find myself not wanting unity.

We're all super divided. We were divided somewhat before COVID in Australia, but I feel sorry for America. It makes me feel better to say, "hey at least we're not in the US". I actually say this to people quite frequently.

I make negative comments sometimes about your country, but I love the US. I grew up in Japan. I went to a school called ASIJ. American School in Japan. When I was a kid, I had a thick American accent.

I have to say, though, I definitely used to love America a lot more than I do right now. There are so many people at both extremes in the states. There is no Trump in Australia. There never has been. We don't hate on each other because we vote one way or the other.

My comments should always be taken in the context of where I am from. I'm not American. My attitudes towards COVID reflect my frustration with Australians. I don't care if you don't get vaccinated in Africa. I don't care if you chose not to get the jab in Thailand. I don't care - at all - if you don't want to be vaccinated in the USA.

I am a team player in this situation. My country is united (relatively). We are going to get to maybe 95% of the adult population vaccinated. We actually have a chance of beating this thing. That's why I'm frustrated by anti-vax shit.

I'm not usually much of a team player.

I like to question authority, but this is not the time or place.

My mother just told me that she thinks young children (5+) should be vaccinated. She was surprised that I disagreed with her. She asked me why. I told her: because the risks - for children - outweigh the rewards.

It's mostly grown men in their 20s to 40s who are refusing to get vaccinated. Children shouldn't have to get jabbed because you're afraid of a little needle. You're more likely to die from the vaccine. (I'm talking to adult Australians here; I'm talking to myself.)

Around 50% of the cases that are exploding in Melbourne are in their 30s.

Nearly 70% are in their 30s or 40s.

Most of us are doing (what I think is) the right thing. I can't help but feel disappointed in those Australians choosing to make this all about them. We're almost there. There is no turning back now.

We can be a virus-free utopia; that is my (domestic) vision of unity.

 

[birdup]

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/...Covid-19-Vaccine-Injuries-Dr-Patricia-Lee.pdf


you guys need to read that ^

I had a glance at it. It appears to be two letters with no response on either. They are written by people claiming to be doctors (forgive me if I don't abandon all scepticism because the letters M and D appear beside each other) who are expressing opinions during a pandemic... opinions that are at least somewhat inconsistent with the worldwide medical consensus.

Did they receive a response? We don't know.

I'm not going to take it for granted that this is accurate any more than you are going to take it for granted that popular science is not bologna.

It also doesn't help that it comes from https://childrenshealthdefense.org/ which is openly biased on the topic of COVID-19.

Can you explain why this link you posted is significant? Specifically: who are these people and why are their opinions more important than 99% of the practicing medical field?

@AutoTripper

Perhaps you could explain why you liked Krinkle's post?
What do you like about it?

 

[deficiT]

That's nice of you to say. I'm not so sure. I'm really struggling with civility at the moment.

I definitely see it though. We disagree more often than not, but usually you always talk to points and don't attack people personally, even if the other person isn't giving you that benefit.

I'm not a liberal, I'm definitely not a conservative. I'm a socialist admittedly and unashamedly, so I'm of the belief that some things considered "extreme" are perfectly reasonable and wholly necessary.

With climate change, increasing income inequality, militarism, police states, etc. running amok on ALL of our civilizations, to sit in the middle field and bemoan extremism is imo short sighted. While I can appreciate the sentiment and don't like how crazy people can be about their beliefs, the fact is that the conservatives don't have the answers, neither do the liberals.

But neither do authoritarian communist states. I'm as anti-authority as any libertarian. More of the same, and/or appeals to people's sensible nature are like trying to stop a flood with a small bucket. Serious work needs doing, and it's going to take people that are willing to be extreme, willing to stand against common sentiment.

Idk where I'm going with this, kinda turned into an off-topic personal diatribe but still felt worthwhile enough to not just delete outright.

Anyway, I respect what you say because you're decent towards others, even if you don't feel like being civil, keep it up because it is worthwhile and it goes a long way towards taking meaningful action, as there is only so much we can do if we're divided and hate each other. Even if we disagree on how things are to be done, we can probably agree on the goals, and that's at least one step closer towards progress.

 

[birdup]

Aw, shucks.

to sit in the middle field and bemoan extremism is imo short sighted

The assumption is that somebody will eventually win this tug of war game?

I don't see it going anywhere good.

I am very much not a socialist; it is my opinion that people are given far too much and this has a devastating effect on personal motivation... but, as you said, this is a topic for another thread.

EDIT: Again (and always) consider my opinions in the context of Australia. We basically are a socialist country. I don't have to pay for shit if I don't want to. There is (probably) too little wealth distribution in the USA but there is too much in Australia. The majority of people pushing for more money in Australia need to wake the fuck up.

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

I had a glance at it. It appears to be two letters with no response on either. They are written by people claiming to be doctors (forgive me if I don't abandon all scepticism because the letters M and D appear beside each other) who are expressing opinions during a pandemic... opinions that are at least somewhat inconsistent with the worldwide medical consensus.

Did they receive a response? We don't know.

I'm not going to take it for granted that this is accurate any more than you are going to take it for granted that popular science is not bologna.

It also doesn't help that it comes from https://childrenshealthdefense.org/ which is openly biased on the topic of COVID-19.

Can you explain why this link you posted is significant? Specifically: who are these people and why are their opinions more important than 99% of the practicing medical field?

@AutoTripper

Perhaps you could explain why you liked Krinkle's post?
What do you like about it?

Hi Bird

So I thought it was interesting because it was written by a MD to the FDA who was reporting what they were experiencing.

Also, that website, is Robert F. Kennedy Jr.s website and I don't think that it goes overboard in what they report, so I think it's very respectable and more reputable than anywhere else Ive read on adverse events from vaccines.

Adverse events exist very much so and I want to know as much as I can about them.

That's all.

I find it highly suspect that there's a near blackout on the reporting of adverse events which makes me not trust the shots at all.

We know this about me tho right? Lol

 

[birdup]

I find it highly suspect that there's a near blackout on the reporting of adverse events

Reality presents itself in the opposite way, for me.

It seems like the media is over-reporting adverse effects.

The only way to determine which one of us is correct is to compare the reporting of adverse effects of different medications to the various COVID-19 vaccines. Would you be interested in doing this with me?

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

I've heard of his dad.

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

He's my fellow American

So wait... What are we doing again?

 

[birdup]

You said there was a "near blackout" in terms of reporting adverse effects.

I wonder how this is measured.

Everything is relative, right? If so, you're saying that articles about the adverse effects of COVID vaccines have been published less than other medications?

That seems to be what you're saying. I believe the opposite to be true.

Just curious about what other medications you are indirectly referring to?

 

[JackARoe]

Reality presents itself in the opposite way, for me.

It seems like the media is over-reporting adverse effects.

Honestly I am not even seeing anything on adverse effects because I believe there were not many. I know about 100 people that got vaccinated. Before I got vaccinated I grilled all of them. No real adverse effects they could pinpoint except the injection area soreness. A tetanus shot is worse. But I was reading and looking at all these posts and then at one point found I was trying to look for info against the vaccine so at that point I realized I could go in that direction and look for info against and not get vaccinated, until I started feeling stupid. My sense of balance and fainess was off and I realized it. So I finally got both shots and no adverse effects at all.

When all is said and done I "believe" the vaccine is a nothing burger. It may or may not kick up antibodies like it was designed but after that will disintegrate into nothing and the body will just disolve and neutralizes into nothing. All of this stuff is so subjective with facts still coming in, the objective parts of medicine are well documented though and at some point we will know more and the honorable people seeking real knowledge will advance on that. I mean, if that thread did not exist in humanity we woul not be able to do things like organ transplants. (maybe the organs are trackers and cameras to watch us LOL, just kidding but some people could think that)

I get the hesitancy though. The way the medical field pushes meds the pharm commercials, the total lack of caring and things done only for money. I totally get the distrust. But there is a thread in humanity that likes to gain knowledge and learn and we have come a long way dispite those things. We will reach the stars after humanity wades through all the facts as well as the BS.

 

[Droppersneck]

Haven’t gotten the clot shot yet. Gonna make this place fire me, don’t really care tbh. My health is more important than a job for sure.

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

You said there was a "near blackout" in terms of reporting adverse effects.

I wonder how this is measured.

Everything is relative, right? If so, you're saying that articles about the adverse effects of COVID vaccines have been published less than other medications?

That seems to be what you're saying. I believe the opposite to be true.

Just curious about what other medications you are indirectly referring to?

I didn't refer to any other medications so i don't really have much to compare it to....i'll look into it tho

But i do think the flu vaccine is much safer - i don't know anybody who's ever had an adverse event to it - not to say that their hasn't been adverse events to it - just that i don't know anybody.....but i do know of several people, personally, who have had adverse events from the covid shots - and that says a lot to me

ya know, we've always had a somewhat divided country - between the north and south, the east and the west, blacks and whites, red and blue, etc.

to me it's not a big deal - when we need to come together as Americans. we do - ya know how i know? ive seen it...

i dated a black girl for a couple years, ive got black and latino friends, ive lived in the north south east and west (just not the middle of the country), i had some friends that were skinheads in the 80s.....what else.....i have Skrewdriver vinyl thats worth big bucks....i loved when Dave Chappelle played the blind black klansman and at the end, he divorced his wife because "she was a nigger lover" lol i mean that shits hilarious

and it's funny that you say "at least we're not living is the U.S." to your fiends in Australia, meanwhile, we're saying "WTF is going on in Australia?! They're fucked up!"

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

And ya know what else i like about Robert F. Kennedy Jr.? He's actually a democrat - so the whole right wing narrative that they try to paint just falls apart when it comes to him......now me, same thing, i was always a democrat - i didn't vote for Trump - he's for 0 for 2 on my ballot - i thought he was too divisive

 

[AutoTripper]

About 4 years ago, in UK, the flu jab came out, did the rounds.

Due to it always being a betting, calculating and catching early to single out and target the most aggressive and widespread flu variants, the flu jab that year was officially declared by the N.H.S. as having only been 3% effective due to missing the variants which emerged at large.

So a lot of people took an extra dose of mercury plus that year and still got flu, or not anyway regardless.

I have to factor that into things. I made a mistake of one single flu jab ever in late 2005.

I was entirely uneducated then in early Lyme trying to piece things togehter and put
Jenga up again.

I have flu now it sucks. It's a matter of endurance and focus flu.

Normally, it would just be okay, head down, stay right on top of respiratory infection level, rest, keep focus.

6 weeks fly (and drag) by.

And hope not to get flu a seconf time before March.

I that December 2014 for 6 whole weeks.

Then 28 th February 2015 lightning stikes again.

6 heliish weeks.

I cake out of each better than I entered them except for slow recovery from PVFS.

This makes the 5 th time since 2014, pretty good going lol.

So as if Lyme for 16 years wasn't enough, add in this year, 13 months long Covid now, as extreme a long Covid case in disruptiveness as anybody reporting this I know of.

Over 28 mg's of LSD in 9 months.

And 6 week Flu twice in one year. I could possibly make it three 6 week flus in maybe 12 1/2 months, it will be tight but possible.

Not aspired for but it would be another accolade. Has anybody known people to heve true flu 3 times in one calendar year?

I'm getting on top of this one today. Flu is like Darth Vader at first, it really does strike you down. I'm getting up but was not prepared starting the week, a real sitting duck caught out on the open.

No way will flu be killing me. Directly or because it gets out of control.

I have means of ensuring that cannot happen.

I'm just musing if there is a operational printer with a power source to turn out certificates, mine would possibly rightlfully say, as much as I don't like the politicised term,

"Without" flu, "with" Covid (impossibly to call that one atm could go either way, if I had time like a year, it would be without), "without" Borrelia as the actual infection itself was cleared entirely by 2017) but "with" Lyme Disease, which is not an infection and I am forever inflicted with), and also almost certainly "with" Coxsackie Virus (es).

Room for more with's and without's.

It's been a year. 2022 will be a bigger one though maybe just not as long.

 

[AutoTripper]

i thought he was too divisive

That is the word, and I consider his job.

To divide. Not too much thiough as it's by design.

Now we have the most divided society ever.

Right after Donald Trump.

I resent that man. I would not give him the time of day unless there was something in it for me.

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

i got the Flu shot twice in my life, the last time being 2009 when the swine flu was circulating and i worked doing mobile xrays...so i'd go to old folks homes and xray them and yadda yadda

but anyway, both times i got the flu shot, i caught the flu - but that last time, i got the flu 4 days later - i was pissed and i felt like the shot played a roll in it - so that was that - never again - and i caught the flu once more since - last being March 2019 - it kicked my ass for 2 days but i still cooked and cleaned and did what i had to do those couple days - but i mostly laid around and took advil every 5 hours to help with the body aches and fever - i had a soar throat too - i survived tho

 

[AutoTripper]

i got the Flu shot twice in my life, the last time being 2009 when the swine flu was circulating and i worked doing mobile xrays...so i'd go to old folks homes and xray them and yadda yadda

but anyway, both times i got the flu shot, i caught the flu - but that last time, i got the flu 4 days later - i was pissed and i felt like the shot played a roll in it - so that was that - never again - and i caught the flu once more since - last being March 2019 - it kicked my ass for 2 days but i still cooked and cleaned and did what i had to do those couple days - but i mostly laid around and took advil every 5 hours to help with the body aches and fever - i had a soar throat too - i survived tho

That's it, that's the business with Flu. Survival of the fit and fortune enough.

It literally does make you stronger if it doesn't kill you.

That is it's real chief function and cause.

Not a germ. You have to get stronger to survive flu, so your body, mind and immune system work to that end.

I had swine flu in December 2010.

Only 3 days though. Mum too. Was legit swine flu.

It's a memory, but only because you reminded me just now.

Swine Flu is one pathogen I never even think to mention.

It was no worse than this flu atm in intensity maybe slightly but I was a lot physically stronger then and a different reality entirely.

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

That was the last vaccine i ever got...and also when i finally put 2 and 2 together to realize i just don't do well with vaccines

the year before, i finished up the 3 dose regimen for the Hep B vaccine, and after the last shot, 2 weeks later, i had to have an appendectomy - nobody knows why but you know what i think....

i also ended up with a sensitivity to yeast, which was another nightmare i had to figure out - thought it was gluten at first - long story with that too.....but guess what's used as an additive in the Hep B shot? yeast....

i also have anaphylaxis from seafood which is believed to have been caused by a Tetanus shot that used to use fish oil as a carrier - when i was 10, i had to get stitches and i got a tetanus shot and shortly after that, after eating shellfish for years before, i could no longer eat it - my throat closes....no family history of that either...

so i just don't think i do well with vaccines personally, so im retired from them

 

[AutoTripper]

That was the last vaccine i ever got...and also when i finally put 2 and 2 together to realize i just don't do well with vaccines

the year before, i finished up the 3 dose regimen for the Hep B vaccine, and after the last shot, 2 weeks later, i had to have an appendectomy - nobody knows why but you know what i think....

i also ended up with a sensitivity to yeast, which was another nightmare i had to figure out - thought it was gluten at first - long story with that too.....but guess what's used as an additive in the Hep B shot? yeast....

i also have anaphylaxis from seafood which is believed to have been caused by a Tetanus shot that used to use fish oil as a carrier - when i was 10, i had to get stitches and i got a tetanus shot and shortly after that, after eating shellfish for years before, i could no longer eat it - my throat closes....no family history of that either...

so i just don't think i do well with vaccines personally, so im retired from them

You just "said it all" right there for my mind my friend!