Hey
@Tranced, nice to see you post. Fortunately we aren't censoring anyone here, it gets heated though. I don't think I really agree with you though. It remains to be seen. I know you're in the UK, though. In America we pretty much get to do what we want, although a lot of people are extremely scared and isolating/locking down. But if you choose not to, you can pretty much go on relatively normally. That's what I've been doing.
To me one of the main arguments against this just being a control attempt, is that the people at the top want the economy of the world going and they want us working in it to keep it going. Why would they lock everything down and weaken economies? It doesn't make sense. to me.
I also lost 2 family members from the virus and know a number of other people who lost people too. A lot of people have died and the way the whole thing has ben handled and messaged is not good. I think at this point they're flailing and trying to do what they can do but it's not really working well, and they're saying contradicting things, which is partly poor messaging and partly a lack of all the information, and then subsequent finding out of new information. They're trying to avoid this becoming another Spanish Flu epidemic by the time it's done. Worldwide the number of deaths is a lot less than that, but it's not done yet and delta seems to be more dangerous. So... what are we gonna do? We could go on as normal and let the weaker people die off, but that doesn't seem like a very good solution. So we have to do something.
That's my take on it.
Hey man, always good to see you as well, appreciate ya
. I had no real doubt as to wether you were really actually censoring people, I've seen the drama and heat that can transpire in here and bluelight is pretty much one of the only bastiens that I ever used that
aren't outright censoring people, despite the odd case/base/etc, and I completely get and have experienced the fine balance that is painfully attempted to be achieved with that. The sites entire infrastructure tends to be a structure of hope, freedom and peace for humanity, there are a lot of peaceful, alternative, psychedelic types round here. And so this website shaped me in ways that would have never ever happened, and certainly not on other platforms, which are just incredibly centrist/mainstream and abiding... especially now. I have no doubt that this is done by the same lobbying and control methods used to keep government in steps, including in the digital world, visits from government erm representitives etc. Look at the guardian, it has been noticably different and tame since a three letter organisation made them destroy their hard drives in front of them one night.
I don't think I really agree with you though.
I disagree; I think that almost everything you've just said is absolutely in alignment with what I think.
I also lost 2 family members from the virus and know a number of other people who lost people too. A lot of people have died and the way the whole thing has ben handled and messaged is not good. I think at this point they're flailing and trying to do what they can do but it's not really working well, and they're saying contradicting things, which is partly poor messaging and partly a lack of all the information, and then subsequent finding out of new information.
I'm sorry for your loss, and I agree completely with what you thoughts, except for the added fact that the media, government and social media platforms, which have all been a scurge for long enough, and are actively causing mass censorship and limiting the ability to access this information, when discussion is especially critical. Incidently, if you want to know my experience with covid, I know a lot of people and one single person has lost somebody 'to covid'. His grandmother was put into end of life care due to imminent death from cancer, and they stopped everything. She died of natural causes, because they allowed her to die as she was slipping. Her primary cause of death is covid-19, and that is abhorent. and has deeply hurt his family.
They're trying to avoid this becoming another Spanish Flu epidemic
The propaganda during that epidemic was appalling - did the main powers not blame it on Spain and underreport their own death rates/figures saimply due to Spains stance during WW1 or WW2? Familar. Also, Spanish Flu is still around, even with natural immunity. And it's not an issue, because we have evolved to adapt to viruses. I have had posts removed from reddit and have been banned from posting on youtube comments, simply for questioning the narratives or mostly just requesting that people stop wishing death upon "unvaxxed" or people who have simply had the vaccine and are now suffering from the same type of chronic fatigue/post viral type symptoms (that I know you're personally familiar with), something I've been dealing with for a decade. The hatred is utterly horrifying. I got a message from reddit saying I was banned from various 'mainstream' subs for posting in 'nonewnormal' (which is simply about, WTF is this creepy 'no new normal' news anchors are telling us about), and requesting that I messaged the mods of said subs, '
promising' the respective mods I would never post there again as it was, and I quote, because posters there 'were a
disease vector for society' - incredibly powerful and meaningful wording. If I responded any other way, it was a permanant ban, from all reddit accounts. They started actively deleting posts I made, as did youtube, then youtube just stopped me. It's not as if I was really an active poster in either, but I was calling out bullshit, hatred, and speaking truth.
You know me, I'm pretty moderate and open, I tend to debate without raising peoples skin; generally pretty agreeable when debating and in serious mode. But the point is, that means I have now been censored, targeted, by these corperations who are controlling what we can and can't say. And I never ever thought that would happen to me; I felt safe, a good human. But I've now experienced censorship just for doing what I've always been good at - and that's politely calling out lies.
We could go on as normal and let the weaker people die off, but that doesn't seem like a very good solution. So we have to do something.
No doubt, and whatever this is, isn't it.
This has been accelerating for years, something I largely fobbed off, and reached a climax.
If you get removed from google, reddit, facebook (leaked documents), top ranking websites, and they censor everything, what kind of doctor with a family and a mortgage is going to openly speak out and not face reprisal? Only the bravest, and there are too few. Like you said, there is contradiction and a lack of information, then subsequent finding out of information. This would not be happening if people were allowed to speak freely. There were reports in the guardian about doctors and nurses in the NHS being in complete fear because they felt their social media accounts were monitored. In the UK, earlier in the year, one in ten people were monitored in the UK. Governments have been installing pegasus on peoples phones.
To me one of the main arguments against this just being a control attempt, is that the people at the top want the economy of the world going and they want us working in it to keep it going. Why would they lock everything down and weaken economies? It doesn't make sense. to me.
Well, I didn't say that, just to clarify. If you want what I would offer as a reason then the people at the top are at the top. It matters little that small businesses lose their jobs, they've been absolutely ruined. I saw a lady in the shopping centre late at night clearing closing down and emptying out her business; she looked like she was going to cry and it broke my heart. Does Boris Johnson care? Have they been abiding their own rules? No, patently, and we have evidence of this. Small businesses die, big businesses sweep them up and become goliaths like google. The very same ones who censor people at an increasingly alarming rate. Waant a job? Tow the line and enjoy working in the Amazon factory. Imagine being called into work and asked to step down, because your digital identity is linked to bluelight? I no longer have the hope to think that is unthinkable; new normal is coming, and it won't be pretty.
Another reason I think they would lock everything down, is because they desire, above all else, power and control; which is just a vector for using our own time and energy, and telling us what to do. They use these emergencies, whether they occur naturally or no, to echo in new survalience laws, new methods of control. Regardless of whether this is some kind of 'NWO' thing or whatever, this stuff is
literally happening, right now, all around us; governed by people who appear to me as sociopathic and rife with malinent. Goodbye UK protests, and they won't be reported anyway. Goodbye truth. Say what you think, at your own peril. You mentioned a control attempt yet there is no control attempt. We have just experienced the control first hand, regardless of how it came about, and the precident is set. This is about fear, like it has been in every crisis. They just use the crisis - whatever it may be - as a proxy. We've seen that enough now.
One in ten people in the UK being monitored earlier this year is a horryfying thought. Was I? Were you? Edward Snowdon released some terrifying stuff; are we on a database somewhere, me and you, for being affiliated with bluelight? Do we have a dissident status? Will they never come for us? Am I just being paranoid, or is this type of stuff a very distinct possibility for our future? "what's worse, being paranoid or knowing you should be" - Primer.
We willingly as a society, begged for a lockdown, home imprisonment, and were stripped of our humanity, our ability to express counter culture, our ability to see friends anf family - because of a virus, and I'm not sure many more people died, in total, than any normal year from various causes. Is life worth living without freedom? What do we desire more, the lack of fear of a virus, with the protection of our governments - as long as we get our 'double jabs' and boosters - when we could die instantly at any time.
Life is fragile, we die. I will gladly choose freedom over living without it.
I don't think I really agree with you though. It remains to be seen. I know you're in the UK, though. In America we pretty much get to do what we want, although a lot of people are extremely scared and isolating/locking down. But if you choose not to, you can pretty much go on relatively normally. That's what I've been doing.
Likewise, it's what I've been doing and it's literally like it doesn't exist. But when mandates come in, then it does. I still had to wear a mask in shops. I still had to visit my friends under the pretence of going for a run for exercise, at risk of them being raided and us all being fined. I still had to walk through shopping centres without seeing a single smile, but a lot of terrified eyes.
It sounds to me like both you and I chose freedom and to live as normal as possible. What happens when that is no longer an option, Xorkoth? Will you so gladly accept the 'new normal', if your lifestyle choices compete with what that is?
I think I've made it clear where I will stand; welcome to the crossroads. If I sound alarmist, it's because it's clear we're there. I'm not scared, but I'm certainly disgusted.
This is the group of creeps who tracked 10% of the UK, on UK gov website. Have a read and see if you think it's cool.
UK Gov website
Members of Scientific Pandemic Influenza Group on Behaviour express regret about ‘unethical’ methods
www.telegraph.co.uk
Scientists on a committee that encouraged the use of fear to control people’s behaviour during the Covid pandemic have admitted its work was “unethical” and “totalitarian”.
Members of the Scientific Pandemic Influenza Group on Behaviour (SPI-B) expressed regret about the tactics in a new book about the role of psychology in the Government’s Covid-19 response.
SPI-B warned in March last year that ministers needed to increase “the perceived level of personal threat” from Covid-19 because “a substantial number of people still do not feel sufficiently personally threatened”.
Gavin Morgan, a psychologist on the team, said: “Clearly, using fear as a means of control is not ethical. Using fear smacks of totalitarianism. It’s not an ethical stance for any modern government. By nature I am an optimistic person, but all this has given me a more pessimistic view of people.”
Mr Morgan spoke to author Laura Dodsworth, who has spent a year investigating the Government’s tactics for her book A State of Fear, published on Monday.
Ministers have faced repeated accusations that they ramped up the threat from the pandemic to justify lockdowns and coerce the public into abiding by them – a claim that will be examined by the forthcoming public inquiry into the pandemic response.
SPI-B is one of the sub-committees that advises the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage), led by Sir Patrick Vallance, the chief scientific adviser.
One SPI-B scientist told Ms Dodsworth: “In March [2020] the Government was very worried about compliance and they thought people wouldn’t want to be locked down. There were discussions about fear being needed to encourage compliance, and decisions were made about how to ramp up the fear. The way we have used fear is dystopian.
“The use of fear has definitely been ethically questionable. It’s been like a weird experiment. Ultimately, it backfired because people became too scared.”
Another SPI-B member said: “You could call psychology ‘mind control’. That’s what we do… clearly we try and go about it in a positive way, but it has been used nefariously in the past.”
One warned that “people use the pandemic to grab power and drive through things that wouldn’t happen otherwise… We have to be very careful about the authoritarianism that is creeping in”.
Another said: “Without a vaccine, psychology is your main weapon… Psychology has had a really good epidemic, actually.”
As well as overt warnings about the danger of the virus, the Government has been accused of feeding the public a non-stop diet of bad news, such as deaths and hospitalisations, without ever putting the figures in context with news of how many people have recovered, or whether daily death tolls are above or below seasonal averages.
Another member of SPI-B said they were "stunned by the weaponisation of behavioural psychology" during the pandemic, and that “psychologists didn’t seem to notice when it stopped being altruistic and became manipulative. They have too much power and it intoxicates them”.
Steve Baker, the deputy chairman of the Covid Recovery Group of Tory MPs, said: “If it is true that the state took the decision to terrify the public to get compliance with rules, that raises extremely serious questions about the type of society we want to become.
“If we’re being really honest, do I fear that Government policy today is playing into the roots of totalitarianism? Yes, of course it is.”
It's all laid out right there, exactly what they did and what (some of them) feared would come of it. Zero control attempts; this was about enacted total control through manipulation and fear, social control. It's literally been laid out, publically, in plain site.
Source:
UK Gov website
I don't even feel comfortable posting that, but I fucking well will. Fuck
this shit is my point.
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