Conspiracies The Covid Narrative

[Mr. Krinkle]

And that’s because you see the vaccinated continuing to spread the disease, is that right? That would mean that we can’t count on vaccines to ultimately stop spread, and the thresholds of immunity we might’ve imagined, a few months ago, would get us all the way on the other side of the pandemic probably wouldn’t actually bring an end to things, now that Delta is here. Is that right?
Yes. And that’s exactly right. Breakthrough cases are real. It’s no longer what we were talking about when we talked about the Yankees outbreak.


That was earlier in the summer, when you were saying we shouldn’t worry about breakthrough cases, in fact maybe we should celebrate them, because they were overwhelmingly asymptomatic and offered a kind of free immunity booster.
Those cases were PCR positive but likely very low viral load — that was the point of that discussion. But now we’re actually seeing lots of people getting symptomatic disease — getting fevers, getting sick. I just found out today that my brother has a breakthrough case — he’s fully vaccinated and young and healthy and he is very sick right now. And the data is suggesting more and more that that’s not rare at this point.

 

[Mysterie]

i got my first shot of AZ 2 days ago, felt very out of it yesterday, lots of joint pain, shivering, feverish, headache.
taking 2 panadol at once helped a lot with the pain.
doing a lot better today, it just makes sense to get vaccinated, since lockdown's suck, if everyone got vaccinated there would be less lockdowns.

 

[AutoTripper]

i got my first shot of AZ 2 days ago, felt very out of it yesterday, lots of joint pain, shivering, feverish, headache.
taking 2 panadol at once helped a lot with the pain.
doing a lot better today, it just makes sense to get vaccinated, since lockdown's suck, if everyone got vaccinated there would be less lockdowns.

Just for the record it honestly sounds as though you insured more intense acute suffering level than I did myself with initial full respiratory Covid manifesting into long Covid almost gone now at last.

 

[ageingpartyfiend]

Am I just being ridiculously bonkers? Because honestly on a calendar check, it’s 13 weeks from May 1st to July 17th.

Yes, you're being ridiculously bonkers

The quickest of calendar check reveals that there are precisely 11 weeks twixt May 1st and July 17th

edit - back on topic - someone in a family members circle has developed Bell's Palsy a few days after their first Pfizer jab. a now-acknowledged rare side effect. Grim

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

edit - back on topic - someone in a family members circle has developed Bell's Palsy a few days after their first Pfizer jab. a now-acknowledged rare side effect. Grim

that sucks....i think that's fairly temporary but keep us posted if you hear anything else

 

[Xorkoth]

Just for the record it honestly sounds as though you insured more intense acute suffering level than I did myself with initial full respiratory Covid manifesting into long Covid almost gone now at last.

If all you experienced from covid AND long covid was feeling out of it, joint pain, shivering, fever and headache for a day or two, then I'd say you are doing great and got lucky. People with long covid that I know of are really suffering, and for a long time. When I had covid, it didn't last that long but it was the worst my body has ever hurt, and the worst headache I've ever had, and a pretty high fever for a while. Nothing I couldn't handle but I'm glad it went away after a few days.

@Xorkoth I think I see what's going on here -

from one article:



So, mostly marketing to countries where Sputnik is actually an option:

List of COVID-19 vaccine authorizations - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Hang on though...



Ok... that's not much of a story.



I mean that's just funny. I dunno if it's worth $200 but it's pretty weird to spin this joke into a long-form article like the NYT did (seriously).

Heh, remember high-school, when you had a thousand word essay due in the morning but not enough primary sources? Gotta fill the page with something! AAAHH!!!

Touche

 

[AutoTripper]

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If all you experienced from covid AND long covid was feeling out of it, joint pain, shivering, fever and headache for a day or two, then I'd say you are doing great and got lucky. People with long covid that I know of are really suffering, and for a long time. When I had covid, it didn't last that long but it was the worst my body has ever hurt, and the worst headache I've ever had, and a pretty high fever for a while. Nothing I couldn't handle but I'm glad it went away after a few days.



Touche

I wouldn’t put it like that exactly. I did incur significant nerve and nerve ending damage after the Long C entered my nerves.

It’s been a long ride, but this is what I do already anyway, live through all stages of all kinds of infection, forever getting back on my feet.

Without the Electromedicine, who knows, there’s every chance the initial bout would have suffocated me. Where I get lucky is in simply having truly powerful and effective treatments to prevent any respiratory infection from holding any sort of grip.

@ageingpartyfiend so I was just tripping but not entirely.

I checked an online calendar, then looked at the one on this tablet which I’m still getting used to all round, I spotted the culprit.

3 to 4 day gaps randomly here and there, I just counted through the weeks like I always have done every year to gauge harvest preparation.

So it all adds up neatly indeed. Which I like really. Things have always added up. The day they absolutely don’t, well we haven’t got there yet still.

 

[AutoTripper]

“Results of the study: COVID-19 vaccines designed to elicit neutralising antibodies may sensitise vaccine recipients to more severe disease than if they were not vaccinated. Vaccines for SARS, MERS and RSV have never been approved, and the data generated in the development and testing of these vaccines suggest a serious mechanistic concern: that vaccines designed empirically using the traditional approach (consisting of the unmodified or minimally modified coronavirus viral spike to elicit neutralising antibodies), be they composed of protein, viral vector, DNA or RNA and irrespective of delivery method, may worsen COVID-19 disease via antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE). This risk is sufficiently obscured in clinical trial protocols and consent forms for ongoing COVID-19 vaccine trials that adequate patient comprehension of this risk is unlikely to occur, obviating truly informed consent by subjects in these trials.”

Just sharing. Totally non propaganda. Not fearmongering either. I’m just saying, again, this would deter me if I needed it, which I don’t, but especially considering as it hangs atm I seem to be immune to new Covid contractions.

Both my new neighbours, a young ish couple clearly with relationship problems, both have Covid and are stuck in for 10 days, each off work.

He got it first. Then she did, almost right away.

She, has had both jabs.

I haven’t. I’m not one little bit scared of them. I’d go in their house. I won’t dart around them on the doorstep, I’d like to share with them some very very effective easy to apply measures and remedies to ease symptoms and reduce load, but we haven’t really acquainted ourselves, we have always done but early days and everybody’s just doing their own shit for now.

Informed consent disclosure to vaccine trial subjects of risk of COVID-19 vaccines worsening clinical disease - PubMed

The specific and significant COVID-19 risk of ADE should have been and should be prominently and independently disclosed to research subjects currently in vaccine trials, as well as those being recruited for the trials and future patients after vaccine approval, in order to meet the medical...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Viraldrome]

The CDC’s latest breakthrough numbers, as of Aug. 2, show 7,525 fully vaccinated people with COVID breakthrough cases. Of those, 7,525 people were hospitalized and 1,507 people died.

So out of 168 million fully vaccinated people there were 1500 deaths. Probably all old people. Those are great odds. You have

.00003​

chance of a breakthrough infection requiring hospitalization.

And all seriousness, I’ll revisit this thread in about 12 months to a few years. unfortunately many will and have already had complications from this mutagenic injection. Either by being disabled or just dead. It’s very troubling.

Its already been a year and a half since the first trials. If people are going to have an allergic reaction it will be in the first 2 months, not in a year. None the test subjects form the MERS vaccine had any issues and its virtually the same thing. Not sure why people are scared about imaginary vaccine side effects when Covid is proven to cause long term health issues in lots of people.

 

[AutoTripper]

So out of 168 million fully vaccinated people there were 1500 deaths. Probably all old people. Those are great odds. You have

.00003​

chance of a breakthrough infection requiring hospitalization.

Its already been a year and a half since the first trials. If people are going to have an allergic reaction it will be in the first 2 months, not in a year. None the test subjects form the MERS vaccine had any issues and its virtually the same thing. Not sure why people are scared about imaginary vaccine side effects when Covid is proven to cause long term health issues in lots of people.

I disagree. This is totally uncharted territory. This is experimental manipulation of the natural human body and immune system.

It’s arguably reversible. Now how can it make full sense to assume, oh well if anything unanticipated will emerge it would do so early on.

I would actually expect there to be an equal or greater likelihood of such events manifesting over time.

I was bitten by a tick in late Summer 2004. So I had the Borrelia and Co infections in me then, but it wasn’t until May 2005 that it suddenly kicked in and overturned life as it was known.

I know that’s a completely different matter, but there is a principle there.

Borrelia hacks the nervous and immune system basically. There’s no stopping it really in most cases. But it took 3/4’s of a year to really manifest and bring the house down.

I just dispute the assumption that we can conclude that we have seen the full extent and impact of potential adverse reactions and impacts on general health.

It’s just far too early to say that. The human body is more complex than most if not all forms of technology, at least which we are in loop of.

It takes time for things to change, and is often unseen during the various stages until it’s D-Day. It can be weeks, months, or years.

I’m not fearmongering again honestly.

Separately, tomorrow, we collect our legit Ivermectin. We will follow a basic dosing protocol for eliminating long Covid specifically.

I’m strongly assuming, if Ivermectin is so effective against Covid, it must be effective against all viruses systemically.

If so, it could be a boon for myself dealing with my own infection troubles going forward, as I don’t expect Covid to be one of them.

 

[Viraldrome]

You are basing your "it could happen" on your experience with a tick bite? Forget a 100 years of vaccine research you have an unrelated anecdote about a tick bite. Yes diseases can take years to manifest after the point of infection. That doesn't mean a protein spike is going to going magically stick around two years and kill you. All you have left of the vaccine at that point are antibodies. There is nothing left to hurt you.

"Serious side effects that could cause a long-term health problem are extremely unlikely following any vaccination, including COVID-19 vaccination. Vaccine monitoring has historically shown that side effects generally happen within six weeks of receiving a vaccine dose."

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/safety-of-vaccines.html

All evidence suggests the vaccines are safe.

 

[Xorkoth]

Not sure why people are scared about imaginary vaccine side effects when Covid is proven to cause long term health issues in lots of people.

Propaganda and group think combined with a sensible nervousness as a backdrop going in, since it's a new vaccine technology that was developed very quickly. But yeah even the people posting numbers of vaccinated having serious complications from vaccines seem to be ignoring the fact that a whole hell of a lot more people (more numbers and much higher percentage) are having serious complications from covid itself. It's become another "no-go zone" issue where any amount of evidence is not going to matter. For example my drummer in my band gets angry if you even try to tell him anything about it. We recently discovered that some venues are requiring proof of vaccination for bands to play. He was like fuck man, well I don't care I'm not getting it no matter what happens. He said he doesn't even care if it gets FDA approval, or if more time goes on and none of the rest of us develop any issues, or if covid mutates again to get more deadly. Part of it might be his girlfriend is like a militant anti-vaxxer (not just this vaccine).

Though the Johnson and Johnson and Astra Zeneca are traditional vaccines using the same method of development as almost all existing vaccines so the "new technology" part doesn't apply to those.

 

[AutoTripper]

Propaganda and group think combined with a sensible nervousness as a backdrop going in, since it's a new vaccine technology that was developed very quickly. But yeah even the people posting numbers of vaccinated having serious complications from vaccines seem to be ignoring the fact that a whole hell of a lot more people (more numbers and much higher percentage) are having serious complications from covid itself. It's become another "no-go zone" issue where any amount of evidence is not going to matter. For example my drummer in my band gets angry if you even try to tell him anything about it. We recently discovered that some venues are requiring proof of vaccination for bands to play. He was like fuck man, well I don't care I'm not getting it no matter what happens. He said he doesn't even care if it gets FDA approval, or if more time goes on and none of the rest of us develop any issues, or if covid mutates again to get more deadly. Part of it might be his girlfriend is like a militant anti-vaxxer (not just this vaccine).

Though the Johnson and Johnson and Astra Zeneca are traditional vaccines using the same method of development as almost all existing vaccines so the "new technology" part doesn't apply to those.

Good points always however differently fence sided we are, depending on the matter in hand.

Now, I’m not actually, and quite ironically too, really downplaying Covid. Well I am, because I’ve kept close observation over it first hand and in others I know including my mum.

The Long Covid is a drag, really, but in my own fortunate case, it appears should be of no major lasting consequence if any once fully gone nearly soon.

The deaths, again as I’ve so boringly repeated spoken, in my strong view, from the respiratory infection, could virtually all be prevented by using the Electro treatment methods but that is not in Big Pharma’s interests.

And the doctors drawing attention for high success rates treating patients secretly disclosing they were using Ivermectin, Hydroxychloriquine, Zinc etc, but it’s all kept so hush hush.

A particular female Fox News reporter was sent to report on this, and when she did, Fox slammed her down, she’s left and is campaigning for justice of free, non censored reporting.

So I just truly feel, as a globe, and individually by proper non censored instruction, provision of the right, safe and effective treatments, we could be treating and curing the infection infinitely better, without need for invasive experimental medical experiments, which come on, this vaccine still is, trial “aside” or not.

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

So out of 168 million fully vaccinated people there were 1500 deaths. Probably all old people. Those are great odds. You have

.00003​

chance of a breakthrough infection requiring hospitalization.

Its already been a year and a half since the first trials. If people are going to have an allergic reaction it will be in the first 2 months, not in a year. None the test subjects form the MERS vaccine had any issues and its virtually the same thing. Not sure why people are scared about imaginary vaccine side effects when Covid is proven to cause long term health issues in lots of people.

it's a little off now tho since variants are the variable in any average or percentages since the vaccines are much better vs the alpha variant vs the delta variant, and when they're giving you numbers from January until now, 85% of that time, delta was not dominant

so - we haven't really got the full picture on the current variants vs current vaccines because it's still to early to tell since really we can only go back about a month on delta

 

[deficiT]

Got my second pfizer shot yesterday. Feeling like dog shit today. Arm is sore af, got a headache, and just general malaise.

 

[alasdairm]

i got both pfizer shots and, beyond a little temporary pain at the injection site, no ill effects from first or second.

alasdair

 

[Xorkoth]

Same ali, I didn't have any side effects. Hope you feel better quickly, deficit

 

[AutoTripper]

Well I’ll best just keep out of this then! Lol Too stoned anyway atm so you’ll likely be spared me anymore today.

 

[Fire&Water]

I havnt been vaxx'd since middle school (70's)

I feel (& look) like a million bucks

 

[cduggles]

For those who are vaccine hesitant due to a fear of needles, I thought this was a good piece with some practical tips:

Needle fears can cause COVID-19 vaccine hesitancy, but these strategies can manage pain and fear

For the one in 10 people with a significant fear of needles, getting a vaccination is distressing. This can disrupt vaccination campaigns, but there are effective ways to manage pain and fear.

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