Conspiracies The Covid Narrative

[Xorkoth]

so we let 12,000+ ppl die from vaccines for the greater good of humanity

that's just part of it we should accept

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It's a matter of harm reduction. Billions of people vaccinated and 12,000 people have died from it... that's awful, but look at how many have died from COVID. A fuck ton more than that.

 

[birdup.snaildown]

@anti_MK

I think people get confused about rights. Your rights don't trump the rights of others.

You don't have a right to be employed by a private company... or by the government, at the taxpayers expense.

If a private company wants you to be vaccinated and you refuse, should that company be forced to employ you?

If you disagree with the law, move somewhere else. There have always been laws and there always will be.

The majority of people in the world are pro-vax. Would you, honestly, be complaining if the majority of people were anti-vax and the opposite of this situation was happening?

 

[Flynnal]

I'll be fully vaxxed once I get my 2nd dose of AZ on 15/9. I got a bit worried about the Delta variant spreading. I'm blood type O+ which means less risk of severe infection or death but the risk is still there, so it's better to have some protection than none at all.

 

[AutoTripper]

I see it actually more as a matter of supporting ultimately, potentially perhaps inevitably, any and all extreme measures and implementations, than complaining.

 

[birdup.snaildown]

It's a matter of harm reduction. Billions of people vaccinated and 12,000 people have died from it... that's awful, but look at how many have died from COVID. A fuck ton more than that.

Yeah.

It's funny how the 4+ million people who died from COVID don't matter, but 12 thousand deaths from a vaccine is unacceptable.

that's just part of it we should accept

Should we accept the 4.3 million deaths from COVID?

It's also funny how people aren't really dying from COVID and it is being misreported but the opposite is true for the vaccine deaths: the side effects and deaths are being "downplayed" by Skeletor.

I don't know what kind of crazy math you need to do to get anywhere near 12 thousand, if you're starting at 4 million... and that's not even taking into account the number of vaccinations versus known cases of COVID.

known cases of COVID = 200+ million
deaths = 4+ million
CRUDE death rate =1 in 50

delivered doses of vaccines = 3+ billion
deaths = 12+ thousand
CRUDE death rate = 1 in 250,000

The population of the world is about 8 billion.

So 5,000 times the deaths is preferable?
Even if the numbers are wrong, is 500 times the deaths preferable?
Is 50 times the deaths preferable?
I don't understand the logic.

 

[AutoTripper]

from COVID?

Do you not mean, “With Covid?”

And yes, we should also say With vaccine.

 

[birdup.snaildown]

with/with

They cancel each other out, mathematically.
There's no point mentioning them.

In other words, it doesn't change the crude numbers.

I don't think you can put forward a sensible argument as to why you think the numbers are wrong by a factor of ten, let alone five thousand. I'm not questioning your ability. It's an impossible task. I've looked into it. The numbers might be off by a factor of two, but - for various reasons - they can't be off by a factor of ten.

The excess deaths in the US for 2020 were similar to the reported COVID deaths. You need to provide a good explanation as to what caused this anomaly. Show me the data that accounts for an increase of +300,000 annual deaths. Then repeat, ad nauseum, for all the countries in the world.

The data we have currently indicates that the reported COVID deaths are similar to excess death rates. It's complicated. There are lots of factors in different countries that cause the death rate to fluctuate year to year. Excess deaths is determined by long term averages. War increases the number. The opioid epidemic in the US accounts for about 10% of the 2020 excess. So where does the 90% come from, if not from a virus that is killing all over the world in large numbers?

Whatever explanation you provide, we can look at the numbers.
If it's increased homicide or suicide, let's examine the numbers.

 

[birdup.snaildown]

It’s mind blowing how completely disillusioned these people are. It’s fucking bizarre, and it would be funny if they weren’t so fucking dangerous to public health.

Same with numerous topics recently. The election fraud thing with Trump was one of the strangest things I've ever witnessed. Recently, we seem to have arrived at a point where evidence is unnecessary. An alarming number of people are disinterested in examining facts and determining the truth. This occurs on both sides of the political spectrum.

You and boy still watching He-Man on Netflix?

My daughter didn't like it as much as I did when I was little. Not enough unicorns for her. We will watch the rest of it at some point. It's well produced but unremarkable. Mark Hamill's Skeletor is weirdly similar to his Joker.

They are the reason why we will never ever get rid of COVID, and it will keep mutating and mutating into more infectious and deadlier strains.

I am more optimistic than you.

I think the virus will eventually mutate and kill the unvaccinated people in extremely high numbers, then the rest of them will freak out and start jabbing themselves like pincushions.

 

[Las Veghost grower]

Anyone find it odd how whenever you type something into google all the top results are from left wing media outlets, and Silicon Valley being extremely left… is that just a coincidence or…where is my tin foil hat!

 

[Las Veghost grower]

Use DuckDuckGo.

Can you get it on iPhone ? I mostly just use my phone these days

 

[birdup.snaildown]

@Las Veghost grower

DuckDuckGo also doesn't keep records of what you search for like Google etc.

 

[Xorkoth]

Can you get it on iPhone ? I mostly just use my phone these days

Just use a browser, duckduckgo.com. It's way better than google. I usually use google anyway though because... I dunno why. I guess because everyone does pretty much.

 

[cduggles]

I usually use DuckDuckGo.

Meanwhile, COVID is sweeping Florida and Texas, while states that have high vaccination rates are experienced fewer hospitalizations and deaths.

Highly Vaccinated States Keep Worst Covid-19 Outcomes in Check as Delta Spreads, WSJ Analysis Shows

The Delta variant has driven up U.S. Covid-19 cases, but hospitalizations and deaths have risen more slowly in areas with more vaccinations, a Wall Street Journal analysis shows.

www.wsj.com

 

[AutoTripper]

I love it. You and boy still watching He-Man on Netflix?

Speaking of He-Man, I don’t even think The Power of Grayskull could get these anti-vaxxer fear mongers to listen to reason. They are incapable of it anyway. No matter what you say, they will continue spread fear and misinformation all over these boards as well as everywhere and anywhere people will hear them. It’s mind blowing how completely disillusioned these people are. It’s fucking bizarre, and it would be funny if they weren’t so fucking dangerous to public health.

They are the reason why we will never ever get rid of COVID, and it will keep mutating and mutating into more infectious and deadlier strains. Many many more people will die, and science will keep trying come with different vaccines to compete with more deadly strains that become vaccine resistant. All the while they get sexually aroused with giant erections when the statistically small number of people get complications from the new vaccines.

Meanwhile, we will keep keep our mouths shut and respect people’s choice not get vaccinated, and they will keep scaring enough people and telling them not to get vaccinated, that this will keep going on and on ‘till everyone has fucking vertigo.

I agree with your verdict in the first paragraph, or prognosis for probable persuasion, I wasn’t too fond of the way you put it obviously.

And in another way yes, because we resist the regime, it will continue to mount pressure as is being seen.

I grew up watching He-Man after school daily eating my beloved crisp sandwhich.

And Thundercats, the OG Teenage Mutant Ninja T’s, Mask, Transformers, many more.

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

Mutations happen randomly, so there could be mutations that are not to the virus' advantage, such as one that makes it less contagious, and those mutations should die out because they are at a competitive disadvantage. A mutation could happen that makes the virus more deadly, which should be to the virus' disadvantage too. However, if a mutation makes the virus both more contagious and more deadly, these could be balanced out, especially if the contagious gain is more than the death loss. So it IS possible for a virus to become more deadly and for that mutant to take over. However, in the long run it is not likely, since becoming less deadly is to the advantage of the virus, and if there is a way for it to maintain being more contagious while becoming less deadly, that is the direction it will evolve.

Fact Check: It's NOT True That There Has 'Never EVER' Been Mutation That Resulted In More Lethal Virus | Lead Stories

Is it true that there has "never EVER" been a virus mutation that resulted in a virus that was more...

leadstories.com

 

[birdup.snaildown]

Interesting, Krinkles... but the flu has mutated into many different super dangerous strains. It doesn't matter if they stick around forever. The Spanish Flu was WAY more dangerous than the flu. If we have a strain (and we probably will) of COVID that is much more deadly, it doesn't matter if it stays around forever. It will be devastating to the unvaxxed population.

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

but the Spanish Flu is just the flu now

im betting that we don't have a more deadly covid

 

[birdup.snaildown]

The death rate of the regular old flu (which isn't really a thing) is much lower than covid. It doesn't matter if the Spanish Flu is no longer devastating. It was devastating.

 

[AutoTripper]

For the clear record, I would not wish any such repercussions on the vaxxed, via breakthrough. Or any other way.

But I am concerned for them. This is the ludicrous bit, in the humorous way of applying that word. Because I’m honestly not, afraid…for us, not for myself, I’m feeling currently, by as much closely observed direct Covid experience, myself and my Mum (@Xorkoth I said “my” for you lol , I do in conversation, online it’s just an easy abbreviation), very confident and surprisedly so, going forwards, regarding high lasting immunity.

There are so many blasted infections which plague my vanished immune system annually, 10 times, I thought bugger if Covid is added to that now as inevitable.

But the pattern of the long Covid and no fresh detections or indications since, has been very encouraging.

I don’t acquire this or any type of immunity to the other (Cox…alright I won’t say it lol) infections, viruses.

So it’s not just a fluke, because on paper, and knowing my body, inevitable pattern depending on immune level at life time, not worst ever lately, new infection closer to fortnightly than weekly (sorry @birdup.snaildown didn’t mean to say any that specific stuff, thought I was in the blog lol jk.)

Encouraging though. So far, so good.

I will keep monitoring it, with hope.

But I was not or ever have been trying to fearmonger, like when I repeated the implications I felt to Fauci’s warning of the higher viral load of the known variant in breakthroughs, and concerns about vaccine immunity not being permanent, I have genuine concerns for my neighbours, friends, their mums, all you lot here too.

Time will tell.

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

It doesn't matter if the Spanish Flu is no longer devastating. It was devastating.

It will be devastating to the unvaxxed population.

devastating

that's how you feel with all 6 people in your country who are infected

ok then