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You bet but without it I'm 100% so why do you think I would lower my chances of survival?


Some vaccinated people seem veey unsure of their position and, like religious groups, they are trying to get more vaccination converts.

I'm not religious so no thanks. The threat of hell isn't scaring me into complying with the fears of others.
 
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I'm not afraid of the virus and I don't care if you get vaccinated, so none of what you said applies to me.

why do you think I would lower my chances of survival?

I don't think anything about it.

Some vaccinated people seem veey unsure of their position

It is the fringe group that generally is unsure about their position, like climate deniers and election fraud enthusiasts.

The anti-vax argument is so poor it basically doesn't exist. That side of the debate always hits the eject button when it comes down to examining facts. The anti-vax side representatives ITT are misinformed.

The vaccines are effective. The flu vaccine is typically around 50%. Way lower than any of the mainstream COVID vaccines, even though we've been working on the flu for many decades.

The only anti-vax argument that makes sense is:

Why should I take a very small risk to potentially save somebody else's life?

It's sort of like if you see a car accident and there's someone stuck and they're going to die, except not nearly as much of a risk on your part.

I'm not sure I'd try and save someone from a car if they were my age but I'd save a kid or a baby. As for the vaccine, it's a no-brainer for me.

If you don't want to get vaccinated, it doesn't matter. Thankfully, you guys make up a pretty small percent of the population. We don't need you. For every adult that is too afraid, a child is going to have to be vaccinated. We will get there one way or the other.

I don't agree with vaccinating children (for the record) but I'm not one of the people necessitating it in this country by refusing to play ball. The Australian government isn't going to stop until we get to at least 70% fully vaccinated. Roughly 16% of the adult population say they don't want to be vaccinated ever. Nearly 20% of Australians are under 15... So a lot of kids are going to have to get the jab.
 
I already have but you are close minded and don't see it.

The vaccines released are not working anywhere near 100%

I know one person who died from covid

I know one person who died from vaccine.

I know many who had issues with the vaccine.

I know 2 who had issues with covid. Including the death of my father.

I know many asymptomatic people. I worked last job with 3 others who tested positive and had a sniffle much like myself. This job (working with about 150 people) there are 14 asymptomatic people here who have had a positive test followed by nothing. We have mandatory tests because we work in close proximity. So a fair number get sent home or placed in isolation (which is a dumb practice but some people arrive without anyway home except company transportation).

Currently I'm in the middle of no where with minimal internet access so I might double post.

If younger arguing that everyone needs a vaccine I'd ask why? You tell me even though I have had this virus and had no issue (which makes me immune) that somehow I'm a threat to someone else who can easily go get as many jabs as they like til they feel all safe. I'm not telling you what to do. Why the fuck would any sane person get a questionable vaccine when you're immune to the virus?

Sell your religious ideas of salvation to someone who has fear of your boogie man.

Again I'm fine and need nothing from anyone. Please stop telling me that somehow because I'm immune that makes me a problem? If you really need people to take a vaccine so you feel safe maybe they can make a placebo shot and I can send you a video of me getting it and you'll feel better.
 
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The vaccines, all being given in Canada, don't seem to be effective. People are still getting both covid and the delta variant after having one or two shots.
Are you saying vaccinated people are being hospitalized and dying in canada? Maybe they are getting bunk products. Wouldnt be the first time something like that has happened, unfortunately
 
The relevant info to look at is the percentage of people getting covid with and without vaccines being hospitalized and dying. If the percentage is hugely greater

People advocating for vaccines are not doing so because they're not confident in their position, or not most anyway. That's not why I am doing it. I'm doing it because I look at the data and see that they are quite effective against serious illness and death. And I am relatively desperate to avoid us having to lock down and be restricted again, which is what is going to happen, probably. I'm perfectly okay with unvaccinated people taking their own risks with themselves, but I do hope that as few more people die as possible. But mostly I just know that if we experience another wave like this past winter, governments are going to shut down again.

Most people I know have gotten vaccinated, and no one has experienced any serious side effects (that I know, I realize some have). 4 people I know including 2 family members have died from covid. So that informs my viewpoint quite a lot.

USA. No rights at all. Or I guess I could go back outside if I don't like it, huh

If you believe we have no rights in the USA then I challenge you to go live in most of the other countries in the world. The biggest issues we face are deregulation and massive greed and an ever widening wealth gap, not lack of rights. Out of actual curiosity, can you articulate what rights you do not have?
 


"The sheriff’s office announced July 23 that Vance had tested positive for COVID-19 and was in quarantine at home. It was not immediately known whether that illness caused his death."


but if he died and he wasn't vaccinated, we know covid killed him

since he was vaccinated, we're not really sure


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You think you are so clever ...pompous ass

How was that pompous or clever? I'm just stating my thoughts and experiences. I actually want to know what rights you feel like you don't have, since you stated that Americans have no rights. It's a pretty intense statement to say we don't have any rights when we have more rights than almost everyone else in the world.

EDIT: I forgot you are experiencing homelessness right now (I think, right?). I'm sorry, you're right, I have no idea what that's like or what you have to struggle with in this pandemic. America treats the homeless like shit and it's deplorable. ♥️ When I said what I said I was thinking about average Americans, who experience a great fucking life compared to most people in the world. I think that most Americans complaining about having no rights are acting spoiled and should put things in perspective, but the way the homeless are treated is disgusting and since I've never been homeless, it's not something I often think about, or know much about.
 
You might have rights, but as a resident of a shelter im their bitch. I do what they say when they say it or get reminded me and my kid can sleep outside. They are pushing the vaccine hard, it's not quite "take it or get out" but it's not far off. I have no privacy at all. I can't even walk outside without interrogation.
I have a bad autoimmune disorder, with that to consider and the fact that the side effects are being downplayed, those that suffer them sacrifices to the "greater good", I'm not about to get hurt or die from it now. I'm not risking my kid getting myocarditis - it has happened. We both have natural immunity. I'm treated like digmeat, I'm treated like an idiot and I'm damned if you are gonna sneer at me too.
My body my choice. I say no. Vaccinated people shed and catch it too, they've even died. No fucking way and my reservations are my right.

I wasn't intending to sneer at you and that wasn't how I felt when I posted, I honestly wanted to know what your reasoning was and now I do. I think your position is sensible and I've said before that I believe we should have the right to choose for ourselves, and if people are actually forced to take it at some point against their will, I will be very against it. I think how you are treated as a homeless person is fucked up, and I'm really sorry you're experiencing that (and many others). I didn't know about the stuff you have to deal with from your position. A lot of people who are not experiencing your hardships say that the attempts to convince people to take the vaccine are an affront on freedoms, but the people I am disagreeing with are the people who are saying that stuff like vaccine lottery drawings and public service announcements and stuff like that are sinister... I do not believe those things are sinister and they make sense to me. But what you're describing is messed up and I understand why you feel the way you do.

I also think it would make sense for people who have gotten covid and have antibodies, to be allowed to be considered similarly to the vaccinated in terms of what they can do/where they can go, particularly since we seem to be finding out that the vaccinated can still spread it. That knowledge basically eliminates the argument that people need to be vaccinated for the safety of others, if it's true. It's become about vaccinating for the safety of yourself, and someone should feel free to make their own decision about their own safety.

Widespread vaccination is still something I would like to see, because the data is clear that far less people are hospitalized or die who are vaccinated, even if they still catch covid. I still think the vaccines are a good thing because it would prevent millions of unnecessary deaths by greatly reducing the amount of people getting seriously ill. If getting vaccinated isn't going to prevent people from spreading it, it makes me feel differently about

For the record, my bandmates and another good friend are not vaccinated because they are nervous about long term side effects, and they have had covid. I understand their position and it doesn't affect our relationship in any way, I'm not one of those people sitting around judging individuals for how they choose. I can't say I blame them even though I did get vaccinated and have also had covid. I did it both to boost my immunity, and to add to the statistics of people vaccinated in order to help prevent getting locked down again. It's a personal choice.
 
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If younger arguing that everyone needs a vaccine I'd ask why

I don't care if you get a vaccine.

Getting COVID (or the flu) doesn't make you immune forever nor does being asymptomatic with alpha strain make you safe to get delta or other future strains.

I'm just stating my opinion. I want people in Australia to get vaccines so we can open this country back up.

I'm not trying to convince you of anything.

Please stop telling me that somehow because I'm immune that makes me a problem? If you really need people to take a vaccine so you feel safe maybe they can make a placebo shot and I can send you a video of me getting it and you'll feel better.

I don't care. I'm not telling you that you're a problem because you're immune.

You're making a bunch of assumptions about where I'm coming from.

I've never thought about whether or not people who've had COVID should get vaccinated, so I've never stated my opinion on it. I've certainly never said people with natural immunity should get vaccinated ASAP.

You're having a conversation with a figment of your imagination.
 
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since we seem to be finding out that the vaccinated can still spread it. That knowledge basically eliminates the argument that people need to be vaccinated for the safety of others, if it's true.

You are less likely to pass it on. This isn't a discovery. It was always the intention of these vaccines. The flu vax works in a similar way. They weren't surprised.
 
I’ll go and admit this now, with no shame either. I AM an anti vaxxer. Who would be a leading figurehead on vaccines usefulness, purpose, safety, absolute necessity?


I’ll use my least favourite person I know because he fits the…Bill (Gates).

So I have a lot of issues here, shared by many similar minded people.

Bill Gates aside, it is frequently suggested to me to put my faith in the experts instead of believing internet crackpots.

I have to acknowledge my nose when it smells a huge stinky rat.

Back to this again. Bill Gates, please tell me a little bit about Chemtrails, cummon you must know very very well about the operation. Don’t be shy zippy lips.

Not a squeak? No comprene? What about your teams of expert scientists? Who can positively assure me on all points, the safety and efficacy of the vaccines, the benevolent intentions behind it, the transparency of risk factors, just convince me basically.

Now, would a single one of these forever very well paid publically commanding experts, admit to the existence of Chemtrails?

Very unlikely, most assuredly not.

Vaccines fully aside, I see Chemtrails, I’ve seen all sorts of crazy types and I don’t need anybody to tell me it’s not just water vapor.

I will continue to be astounded until my final day, that people cannot see the (plane) reality in this.

But these experts we must trust more than any other source, they are the leading most credible authority, paid very handsomely no doubt for assuring us all scientifically on certain important matters, not one of them would look me in eye and admit that yes, I’m not loony (on this), Chemtrails do friggin exist, no it is not water vapor, it’s a Frankenstein weather modification concoction of toxic poisonous shit, and I’m sure they could confirm it being the source of the abnormally unnaturally high levels of Aluminium found in soil and earth samples where there is no explanation.

I don’t bother arguing with people barely who still, somehow, unbeknown how to me, insist adamantly that it is just water vapor that doesn’t dissipate under any conditions and can literally white out the sky to the horizon, as I witnessed dozens and dozens of times right here most disturbingly and a truly unnatural thing to observe, between February 2016 and calming down a lot actually by early 2018, less obvious and constant over the last few years but still around, more on some days than others, not over all areas as much, like not Luton, Bedford, Milton Keynes, Northampton and so on like it was for a good while.

Every time it was a golden clear blue sky and gorgeous hot sun.

Early in the day. Before midday, hang on. Zig, zag, zig, zag, etc, like a chessboard criss crossed, or doing rows of white lines on a blackboard. In 10 minutes, about 6 or 7 very long, very wide and non dissipating trails of smog stretching miles wide and even longer, which already hazed out the sun and the blue sky.

It carried on with such clear militarial tactical precision.

By midday, total total whiteout, in all directions. Not an inch of blue sky or sun to be seen that day, until the following morning before it was repeated again just before Midday.

Other days it was pre-dawn plasterisation of the to be beautiful clear sunny blue sky, fading fast in an hour.

This same pattern went on almost daily in 2016, on a scale I had never witnessed first hand before, only on YouTube but it was obvious and undeniable to my eyes from even that.

Like many things, as I actually do try not to worry about shit too much until the tidal wave is about to hit and I need to actually pack the boat, I didn’t think about it too much, nor even talked about it, just kept it on my mind curiously.

Then they started hammering us in 2016. It shocked, appalled, and enraged me.

Shit’s fucking real. They ARE doing this shit, right over US now very heavily and relentlessly too. Day after day.

They took the clear sky and sun away completely probably 75% of our days in 2016. It was Rampant.

I don’t need persuading Chemtrails are more than water vapor. I won’t be convinced they are not, because despite how it seems, I can understand, I am not a witless madman.

So the experts who “say what we pay”, would never enter a real discussion about Chemtrails except to very comprehensively, resoundingly, uncategorically deny their existence flat out, debunk it solidly with the usual spiel, water…

I could look up the massive list of patents on the official patent filed database again and ask them about the hundreds of official patents for legit advanced weather modification technology, procedures and devices, including Chemtrails of various descriptions as they have quite an array, and ask them about this.

Even If they had to at least admit the patents do exist, that would be as far as they would go.

That’s just an aside. They would not discuss Chemtrails with me or anyone, publically.

That alone is a massive stinking rat for my nose, not that I even needed it because
I’ve sniffed out a dozen or more others as well.

So, no way in the world am I going to trust a so called expert, working for my least favourite man officially on earth Bill Gates, trying to convince me the vaccines are intended only to do good, are as safe as can possibly be, are adequately (should be thoroughly thoroughly) tested, the adverse events are not suppressed by media…

While they lie through their dirty teeth insisting Chemtrails are a crazy internet conspiracy I have been sucked into and are indeed innocent water vapor only.

Not the “necessary evil” they justify it as in their minds the psychopaths, frankly, with all the cutting edge accurate science data for us to fully trust.

Here, buy my sweets you need them to be safe. They are safe trust me.

Oh look, a beautiful zig zag of non dissipating water vapor now firming a thick cloud in all directions that will last a day.

But there’s no such thing as Chemtrails kiddo, and we don’t do geoengineering.

Fucking paid professional liars. They are the experts I’m to trustingly, without hesitation, roll up me sleeve for, abandon all and any valid (or personal but still valid to me) concerns.

I think I’ve made my point. These cuckoos on the internet who dispute their narrative, passionately try to expose the dangers and pure underlying nefariousness of the whole vaccine programme, at least the current one, who do not try and mock and persuade me Chemtrails are just natural harmless innocent plane emissions, I have no choice to trust MORE than the chemtrail denying climate change fear pumping vaccine pushing experts who for all my life and soul I will simply never trust.

That is one very firm way I look at it. I can look further, but I don’t really need to. I’m not interested in professional rich liars employed by a man I detest more than a single other.

I have my brain back a bit I’m just finding today. Yesterday I couldn’t think for shit. Always after big trips. But amazingly, I wake today able to at least think enough to make typing and language it’s usual easy task.

Was so fatigued yesterday, could only go back to bed, no food at all only Sourdough bread and cashew butter 2 days ago too.

Mega weak, need to eat today but pleased things are bright and clear again.
 
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Asbestos in Pfizer baby powder. They tried to bury it, cover it up for years. They didn’t get away with that one, and there was enough collateral (or simply, damage done).

That’s integrity in the “process” as well as the actual company who also make…
 
@AutoTripper

That was quite a post. A couple of things stood out.

1. Bill Gates is the worst person in the world?

2. You determine what side of an argument to side with based on where they sit on chemtrails?

3. Maybe there could be a chemtrails thread because I don't really see how they're related.

4. You're implying the existence of multiple conspiracies that are too big to be plausible.

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Like @alasdairm said to you a while back, you can't look at something in the sky and know what is in it. I don't know that chemtrails don't exist, but it's a safer assumption that they don't. If you don't have any evidence something exists, why believe it when you admit there's so many liars out there?

I get not subscribing to the religion of science to some extent, but it's very selective. Why chemtrails? There are much easier and more subtle ways to deliver the package. Flying small planes "zig-zagging" across the sky doesn't seem like the sort of modern solution that would exist today. What I'm saying is: I don't even buy it on a conceptual level.

Another thing that confuses me about the anti-science stuff is: why believe anyone if you're not going to believe the science? People are literally replacing scientists with social media. This is seriously alarming.

If I was an evil genius - like Bill Gates - and I wanted to conspire worldwide to expose people to chemicals (for God knows what fucking reason?) I wouldn't immediately think about hiring an army of redneck pilots across the country and spraying small middle American towns with big visible clouds of poison.

You might think Bill Gates is evil, but he's not an idiot.

 
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