Conspiracies The Covid Narrative

[Mr. Krinkle]

that's pretty cool

what do you think of this:

Russia's Sputnik V shot around 90% effective against Delta variant, developers say

Russia's Sputnik V vaccine against COVID-19 is around 90% effective against the highly contagious Delta variant of coronavirus, its developers said on Tuesday.

www.reuters.com

who knows...it's russia

With supply problems solved, Novavax inks deal to supply Europe with up to 200M COVID-19 vaccines

Ironing out production problems has allowed Novavax to finalize a handshake deal with Europe that it made in December to supply its COVID-19 vaccine. | After delaying a COVID-19 vaccine supply agreement to Europe because of production problems, Novavax has finalized the deal, which will provide...

www.fiercepharma.com

see what happens there with novavax - im still rootin for them

 

[birdup.snaildown]

I know a guy who goes to Thailand to get his dental work done. Sometimes he has complications and he has to fly back again so they can fix it. I had to get some dental work done when I was living in Africa. There were no walls in the facility I went to. They didn't even have partitions like in office buildings. It was just a giant factory with a bunch of dentist chairs. You could look into the eyes of the person next to you while their teeth were being drilled.

I trust Russian vaccines less than African dentists.

 

[JackARoe]

What stupidity will you fears cause you to do today? I don't have any so my answer is nothing at all.

This brings an important point to NEVER do anything because of fear. That in itself has caused humanity to do a lot of things whether we are talking about this issue or another.

So I am aware to never do anything out of fear and if I had gotten the vaccine any sooner that would have been driven by others fear. But I am asking everyone I know questions and through that and logic I am almost at the point where the vaccine makes perfect sense. (ok ok I'm slow, f*ck me). Again both sides are making sense. The fact that COVID deaths as well as vaccine side effects are being hidden based of whatever right fight a person thinks they have to fight for really does suck. Get the data in. People were kind enough to tell me yes they did get side effects simple ones like chills and lethargy (great.... the vaccine mimicks opiate withdrawal lol just kidding) I also know people that did not get side effects. And then I do have a few friends that got it that tell me not too as they would not again and they are no where near anti vax. These people would call anti vaxxers fruit loops so that is important.

But sifting through all the logic I do believe in vaccines. The only reason I have not yet is I am not in a high risk group and had hesitancy. For me to ignore that in me would be silly. But I am closer today to getting it due to the info I collected from personal people. (using heavy logic) My issue with all of this is nothing is tangable How do we know what the stats would be either way? How can anyone claim they KNOW. And funny enough the only thing I KNOW is a mask will prevent spread of germs.

So I think we need a new term for this pandemic. We actually have fist pumping PRO vaxxers that label anyone that does not want a vaccine an ANTI vaxxer (do ignorance and duality know no bounds from either side?) Chew and argue on that folks. lol

 

[birdup.snaildown]

Why is anti-vax an insult? How do anti-vaxxers differ from people who don't want to be vaccinated? Is it insulting because anti-vaxxers are perceived as ignorant? You can't regard your own opinions as ignorant, otherwise they wouldn't be your opinions. If I was an anti-vaxxer, I wouldn't be ashamed of it... unless I knew I was wrong.

I think people being offended by the term anti-vax is just people being snowflakes.

 

[JackARoe]

Why is anti-vax an insult? How do anti-vaxxers differ from people who don't want to be vaccinated?

None of these terms are offensive to me. We all take things personally sometimes so we make it so. But excellent point if someone flat out does not want to be vaccinated how can that not be anti vax? Then again others say they are not anti vax but anti THIS vax for some reason. But those reasons can be varied and we go round and round with this. Plus we all like to debate and argue. It gives us something to do. I mean who comes to a vaccine thread expecting not to argue? lol

 

[Nurse Ratched]

Why is anti-vax an insult? How do anti-vaxxers differ from people who don't want to be vaccinated? Is it insulting because anti-vaxxers are perceived as ignorant? You can't regard your own opinions as ignorant, otherwise they wouldn't be your opinions. If I was an anti-vaxxer, I wouldn't be ashamed of it... unless I knew I was wrong.

I think people being offended by the term anti-vax is just people being snowflakes.

In the US anti-vaxxers has always applied to the parents of children that refuse to vaccinate them against the chicken pox, whooping cough, measles, mumps....stuff like that. It is a prerequisite for enrolling your children in the public schools here. That's why home schooling exploded here even though some parents weren't qualified for the job.

As far as ADULTS not wishing to take the Covid vaccine, as opposed to not vaccinating their children, they are exercising their medical rights to not partake.

So I am not an anti vaxxer because I immunized my Son with all of them in order to not only make sure he didn't get the diseases but I also had to in order to enroll him in school. Whether or not I have been vaxxed is an adult issue now. So, as an adult, it became more of a choice as if I have gotten it, that's all well and good. And if I haven't I am not an anti vaxxer. I'm cautious ? Skeptical ? Need more reassurance? It's not available? Many factors come into play. Anti vaxxer isn't describing non Covid shot takers. It describes the parents of school age children.

But I understand that people still want to put labels on everyone. Just need to come up with a more appropriate one is all.

 

[Nurse Ratched]

Why is anti-vax an insult? How do anti-vaxxers differ from people who don't want to be vaccinated? Is it insulting because anti-vaxxers are perceived as ignorant? You can't regard your own opinions as ignorant, otherwise they wouldn't be your opinions. If I was an anti-vaxxer, I wouldn't be ashamed of it... unless I knew I was wrong.

I think people being offended by the term anti-vax is just people being snowflakes.

Maybe they are just tired of being labeled ad nauseum day after day.

 

[birdup.snaildown]

Maybe they are just tired of being labeled ad nauseum day after day.

Labels are unavoidable. I have no issue with being called pro-vax. Again, I think people are just being snowflakes.

In the US anti-vaxxers has always applied to the parents of children that refuse to vaccinate them against the chicken pox, whooping cough, measles, mumps....stuff like that.

Anti-vaxxers are not just those who don't vaccinate their children but also people who spread misinformation about viruses and vaccines. This has been the case ever since the supposed links between autism and other vaccines.

Language is fluid. The definition of "anti-vax" will change over time. You can object to that change, if you like... but that doesn't alter our social fabric.

If you are an adult and you chose to ignore mainstream science and you don't want to get vaccinated and you spend your time peddling misinformation on the internet, you're an anti-vaxxer.

The anti-vaxxers who don't want to vaccinate their kids aren't much different. They also ignore mainstream science. They also spend a lot of time peddling misinformation on the internet.

The only real difference is: this time, we are rolling out vaccines for adults.

 

[Nurse Ratched]

To each his own. Pro vax......anti vax......straight.......gay..........black.........white.........Trump........Biden..........fat.........skinny..........junkies..........tea totalers........

All different opinions. All different labels. People can either take it personally or let it roll off of their shoulders.

Some people just want to be right all the time. They pound their fists on the table and say my opinion is the only one that matters.

In the grand scheme of things it doesn't get anything accomplished and just divides us further.

 

[birdup.snaildown]

Some people just want to be right all the time. They pound their fists on the table and say my opinion is the only one that matters.

You're labelling people now.
Like I said, labels are unavoidable.

I assume you're saying that I'm one of the ones pounding my fist?

Don't worry. I don't take it personally.

Everybody thinks what they are saying is right, otherwise they wouldn't say it. For what it's worth, I don't believe I am discounting anyone's opinion any more than anyone is discounting my opinion.

I read and consider what people say and respond in kind.

If people relentlessly insist upon pushing harmful propaganda on a daily basis, I'm going to call them on it... and I'm not going to apologise about that.

In the grand scheme of things it doesn't get anything accomplished and just divides us further.

Discussions generally don't accomplish anything.

We are all just pissing in the wind.

 

[Nurse Ratched]

No, I wasn't referring to you about the pounding fist thing. Just came up in my mind when the Trump / Biden war was getting so inflamed on every forum in the Country. The intensity of everyone stating their opinions reminded me of someone behind a keyboard getting red in the face and pounding their desk because they couldn't " get through" to the other guy.

No you're fine. I've read many threads of yours and you debate ( mostly ) civilly. I was just adding my own opinion and I realize it doesn't mean much.

Just thought I would add that in the US that the term anti vaxxer DID indeed refer to parents not vaccinating their kids. Covid changed the dynamic is all.

 

[birdup.snaildown]

Just thought I would add that in the US that the term anti vaxxer DID indeed refer to parents not vaccinating their kids. Covid changed the dynamic is all.

Anti-vax has always been anti-vax. Anti-vaxxers used to be parents refusing to vaccinate kids because (prior to COVID) the governments of the world were not pushing any vaccines on adults.

 

[Nurse Ratched]

Anti-vax has always been anti-vax. Anti-vaxxers used to be parents refusing to vaccinate kids because (prior to COVID) the governments of the world were not pushing any vaccines on adults.

Agreed. I suppose the prefix anti refers to anything one is opposed to so either it is by choice or by mandate. Either way it doesn't change the definition of the prefix so you are correct.

 

[birdup.snaildown]

Misinformation on 27-year-old Sydney man’s Covid-19 death spreads on social media | Coronavirus | The Guardian

Baseless and bizarre claims surrounding the death of Aude Alaskar circulating on Facebook and WhatsApp groups

amp.theguardian.com

I'm sceptical of this. The title of the article starts with the word "Misinformation", but do they actually know how this guy died?

Speaking generally, Prof Peter Collignon, an infectious diseases expert at Australian National University, said recent studies in New York suggested Covid-19 may be associated with some forms of sudden death, though it remained a very rare event.

It seems pretty weird for someone in their 20s to go from slightly sick to dead in a couple of hours. Maybe it's such a rare event because it's unrelated and is falsely being recorded as a COVID death?

 

[JackARoe]

There is more behind this push to vaccinate. It's sinister

I was with a true anti vax friend the other night and said although dramatic I do think the vaccine is a good faith effort. He disagrees thinks something bigger is going on. I said ok, then there is a blue print somewhere that can be peaked at. I always though humans were too stupid to even think about a conspiracy, let alone one that tries to herd humans.

I am very much like Carl Sagan here, extraordinary claims need extraordinary proof. I am not saying there is not a bigger picture, I am just saying if there is I would need tangible proof beyond theory or things we can really investigate.

However I agree, the push is suspect. I still think it is just dramatics and something some people can sit on as a right fight. But will for sure keep my eyes open for any evidence of sinister. Sometimes I think things can appear that way.

 

[jhjhsdi]

I don't want it defo not, don't trust it for shit

 

[JackARoe]

See all sides making sense. :D I mean I think we are all intelligent it ways. So good to hear both sides. I have waited for a reason.

Lallapalooza will be a good test last weekend. If we start getting a slew of 20-30-40 year olds dying of COVID we truly have an issue. I think we have an issue now, just over dramatized. But not conspiracy. I realize I could totally be wrong so I keep it open. I just need something more to grab onto.

The covering up of side effects is as suspect as covering up actual covid deaths. We need all the data we can get.

But why do I feel say the Polio vaccine was purer in intent? I wonder if there were anti vaxxers back then too.

 

[birdup.snaildown]

From 1955 to 1963, an estimated 10-30% of polio vaccines administered in the US were contaminated with simian virus 40 (SV40). The virus came from monkey kidney cell cultures used to make polio vaccines at that time.

In 1955, some batches of polio vaccine given to the public contained live polio virus, even though they had passed required safety testing.

Historical Safety Concerns | Vaccine Safety | CDC

Read more about past vaccine safety concerns, how they have been resolved, and what we have learned.

www.cdc.gov

 

[PtahTek]

I feel that any real side effects from this vaccine will only exhibit in our as yet to be conceived/born children. This I do fear a bit and thankful that I am no longer actively trying to get pregnant. Yall know what I mean. lol
I don't think it is all one thing that takes us out or causes noticeable ripples. Maybe it is the centuries of layering of our own "toxins" that truly cause us to evolve. We either die off or learn to live with it.
Super bug vs super man... Who wins? lol
Again, ready to go and get a gold out of it: No ripples.

@birdup.snaildown
Looks like our every day run of the mill science that we need to follow without question... even if tomorrow we die. Breaking news: Science has advised to not not go get a beer. MFs need to find a balance I knw some seriously handicapped geeks that do not have the skills to order a replacement battery for their laptop (snap out, snap in). Not raggin' on any poor souls I got my own handicaps.
I just listen to the news in the background and let it filter.
Damn I wanna get away from everyone and everything. Shit.
I believe nothing. Fun to learn, though.

 

[birdup.snaildown]

I feel that any real side effects from this vaccine will only exhibit in our as yet to be conceived/born children.

Do you feel that way about all medication or just COVID vaccines?