however you want it to... as long as you can pay my pr fees, mr prez.
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cduggles
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Chaos reigns right now. I’m okay with a little crosstalk.
It was actually lemon sorbet and it was delicious but it was on really good sale. I’m trying to decide if a pint is worth it at regular price.
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In another/past/maybe future world, I would go with a lemon sorbet. Thanks for satisfying my curiosity (btw I do have major amnesia so if you just ignore me….lol)Chaos reigns right now. I’m okay with a little crosstalk.
It was actually lemon sorbet and it was delicious but it was on really good sale. I’m trying to decide if a pint is worth it at regular price.
MydriHaze
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I hope there will not needs a 3rd injection to get the sanitory pass, i got the 2, don't want the third, fuck the thirds!
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If you were saying 33rd I’d say now you’re talking.
Because I've been infected (or at least had a positive test) I keep getting retested as often as possible easily (working as food service at a firecamp I can request a test from medical staff. Several people at each camp have tested positive upon arrival and been sent to isolation. All have been asymptomatic, are the tests actually any good?
I ask because now my real concern is the test is carp and a lot of people that just don't have the virus are showing positive results? I tested positive after direct exposure to an infected individual and haven't tested positive yet a second time. Seeing six people test positive and have no symptoms may be their age and current health but I'm concerned the test may be looking for something slightly incorrectly.
I ask because now my real concern is the test is carp and a lot of people that just don't have the virus are showing positive results? I tested positive after direct exposure to an infected individual and haven't tested positive yet a second time. Seeing six people test positive and have no symptoms may be their age and current health but I'm concerned the test may be looking for something slightly incorrectly.
birdup.snaildown
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Curious what @Mr. Krinkle , @AutoTripper and the other anti-vax uh, I mean... vax sceptics (?) here on BL think of my experience this week.
I work with vulnerable people. Early on none of them were vaccinated and none of the workers were vaccinated either. I was the first. When I got vaccinated, the other staff members were confused. They asked me if I had a pre-existing condition. I wasn't required to be vaccinated. I got vaccinated because it's the right thing to do if I want to work in this industry.
I got the first jab 5 months ago.
Victoria went into it's fourth lockdown a month or two back and we just came out of our fifth last week. When we went into the 4th lockdown, they started reporting on how few people in aged care and disability care had been vaccinated at the time. So all the agencies started cracking down... My assumption was - until the other day - that everyone in the industry was now vaccinated, but I'd never brought up the issue. I have some promotion prospects currently and I don't want to rock the boat, but I finally let it slip the other day.
One out of three of the workers present said he hasn't had his first jab and he has no intention of doing so. I don't believe the government has even set a date. He said when they tell him he can't go to the footy without a passport, then he'll do it. I didn't say anything. I have a good poker face. But, this shit just baffles me. He literally works with people on death's door every day and that's his attitude?
I don't believe in vaccine mandates. I'm not sure I believe in mask mandates either, honestly. I get that people are dying and stuff, but my mask is fucking with my moustache wax. I'm half joking, here. I've been vaccinated. I don't want to wear masks any more.
This guy at work today, he wasn't wearing a mask and neither was I. He said a lot of the same things I've heard in this and other COVID threads and on Facebook, etc.
I think this guy shouldn't be allowed to work in the medical industry. I'm curious, @AutoTripper. You're vulnerable, yourself. What do you think?
Should ER surgeons or paramedics be required to get vaccinated by a certain date?
Remember that I am not advocating jabbing people without consent. I'm saying their willingness to be vaccinated should impact their employability in various fields.
If you don't agree with me on this, I'm not sure we have a lot of potential in terms of common ground on this subject.
It looks like there's going to be a 4th and a 5th, and so on. I am hopeful they will find a permanent vaccine eventually, but it's probably a decade plus away at best from what I've read. It might be impossible.
I certainly don't want to keep getting jabbed every 6 months. Injecting street drugs scares me less. Some people on BL say that's crazy. I honestly don't think it is crazy.
It's probably important foranti-vax vax sceptics (?) to exist as an insurance policy... just in case these vaccines kill us all in 5 years. Perhaps @Mr. Krinkle can be president of this brave new world.
The most likely outcome is: nothing wildly unexpected happens as a result of the vaccines. The side effects are within the realm of other mainstream medicines.
I dunno. Nobody does.
Just saying stuff.
I work with vulnerable people. Early on none of them were vaccinated and none of the workers were vaccinated either. I was the first. When I got vaccinated, the other staff members were confused. They asked me if I had a pre-existing condition. I wasn't required to be vaccinated. I got vaccinated because it's the right thing to do if I want to work in this industry.
I got the first jab 5 months ago.
Victoria went into it's fourth lockdown a month or two back and we just came out of our fifth last week. When we went into the 4th lockdown, they started reporting on how few people in aged care and disability care had been vaccinated at the time. So all the agencies started cracking down... My assumption was - until the other day - that everyone in the industry was now vaccinated, but I'd never brought up the issue. I have some promotion prospects currently and I don't want to rock the boat, but I finally let it slip the other day.
One out of three of the workers present said he hasn't had his first jab and he has no intention of doing so. I don't believe the government has even set a date. He said when they tell him he can't go to the footy without a passport, then he'll do it. I didn't say anything. I have a good poker face. But, this shit just baffles me. He literally works with people on death's door every day and that's his attitude?
I don't believe in vaccine mandates. I'm not sure I believe in mask mandates either, honestly. I get that people are dying and stuff, but my mask is fucking with my moustache wax. I'm half joking, here. I've been vaccinated. I don't want to wear masks any more.
This guy at work today, he wasn't wearing a mask and neither was I. He said a lot of the same things I've heard in this and other COVID threads and on Facebook, etc.
I think this guy shouldn't be allowed to work in the medical industry. I'm curious, @AutoTripper. You're vulnerable, yourself. What do you think?
Should ER surgeons or paramedics be required to get vaccinated by a certain date?
Remember that I am not advocating jabbing people without consent. I'm saying their willingness to be vaccinated should impact their employability in various fields.
If you don't agree with me on this, I'm not sure we have a lot of potential in terms of common ground on this subject.
MydriHaze said:
It looks like there's going to be a 4th and a 5th, and so on. I am hopeful they will find a permanent vaccine eventually, but it's probably a decade plus away at best from what I've read. It might be impossible.
I certainly don't want to keep getting jabbed every 6 months. Injecting street drugs scares me less. Some people on BL say that's crazy. I honestly don't think it is crazy.
It's probably important for
The most likely outcome is: nothing wildly unexpected happens as a result of the vaccines. The side effects are within the realm of other mainstream medicines.
I dunno. Nobody does.
Just saying stuff.
birdup.snaildown
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Victoria enters seven day lockdown as Covid-19 cases increase
Victorians have been plunged into a 7-daysnap lockdown from 8pm tonight, as the state grapples with growing cases of Covid-19.
www.news.com.au
Lockdown number 6, totally unexpected.
Thankfully, I'm having a good day.
Playing piano is therapeutic.
Fuck me. Fuck me. Fuck me.
God damn this virus.
God damn China.
Horse Fuck the Midget!
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I do feel for the pressure you are under no matter how impulsively and brashly I spurt out my opposing and unpopular views. We are not in the same level of strict dictatorship and restrictions.
Victoria enters seven day lockdown as Covid-19 cases increase
Victorians have been plunged into a 7-daysnap lockdown from 8pm tonight, as the state grapples with growing cases of Covid-19.
Lockdown number 6, totally unexpected.
Thankfully, I'm having a good day.
Playing piano is therapeutic.
Fuck me. Fuck me. Fuck me.
God damn this virus.
God damn China.
Horse Fuck the Midget!
My head’s pretty shot generally for the moment especially after an intense high doses acid trip yeasertday after 6 weeks, so I’m amoeba level of thinking straight capacity and very slow going, usually always for 1 or 2 days after a trip.
So I won’t patronise you trying to answer points I can’t but regarding my own status of being generally vulnerable, I don’t see myself as vulnerable to Covid.
I am seeing apparent evidence of acquired immunity against new Covid infection.
It’s certain I’ve come into contact with the virus again, it’s inevitable, I get everything else multiple times a year, less infectious and less widespread but every bit as serious for me usually.
I’ve not sensed any new Covid infection since September and none has been detected anywhere in my airways since a dormant trace deep at bottom of my lungs only in November.
It’s probably only in my bladder now, after working it’s long way around, imminent to be clear fully.
So the prognosis for clearance and full recovery is good, and more encouragingly, the fact I’ve not appeared to develop a new respiratory or other Covid infection in that time, when it’s almost certain I’ve encountered it, is unusual for me as a I don’t observe any immunity from all the other viral and bacterial infections, is a miracle or simply suggestion my immune system may be primed for a good degree of immunity.
On paper, if no post infection immunity was achievable, it’s unbelievable to consider I would not be re-contracting it numerous times, being so infectious regardless of individual case severity, and being an open revolving door for all such pathogens.
I may be self immune protected against Covid at least for the time being, and no reason not to expect full recovery without lasting damage as things look, stand and feel.
So ironically, towards Covid specifically but I won’t say the same for the other viruses or bacteria, I honestly don’t feel vulnerable personally, and I won’t be speaking of my full round with it in years as any significant influence on my future, but a very valuable learning experience.
Of course I can understand you feeling frustrated or just perplexed at the outright hypocrisy expressed by one of your colleagues.
Like, if I can’t get into the footy, or cinema…”me me me”, I’ll have to do it then.
Which is inevitably going to happen likely sooner than many expect. So if they are that resigned, maybe they really don’t believe them not being vaxxed now is a threat to the patients they care for closely?
Maybe they just don’t buy the full narrative and stats? Just wondering.
I appreciate you saw it as an important band vital duty to do what you and many others see as the only right thing for other’s sake and society at large, primarily.
So purely personally speaking, as an immune deficient, I will not be the least concerned about any other single person around me or professional being vaxxed.
I don’t feel at threat. I do feel at threat from the trialling jabs, and what Fauci announced regarding variant viral load in the vaccinated raises alarms.
I’ve fared through it so far, looking at the exit to the tunnel with hopefully good prospects going forwards.
I think it’s fair to say us finding common ground in this is likely to become a greater stretch.
I respect your positive intentions and passion for what you regard to be the right and only thing to do.
So, twice now BL has deleted a chunk of this post. My head is shot to bits from stress, exhaustion and a high dose acid trip yesterday.
It was too much for me to recap what was tripe anyway really, I’ll post this now, then try and add the few links below its the only way I can do it for whatever reason if I leave this tab again, it will delete lots again, never usually happens like this.
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Images I saw I’ve been looking through the official database it came from, except that page is crashing on me every 20 seconds so it’s impossible atm but I’ll link the website, I haven’t looked at the Israel one yet.
ourworldindata.org
Hopefully it will fix itself later, but you know me, I don’t rule out some A.I program mischievously interfering.
I realise this is not in any way an answer to what you were actually asking @birdup.snaildown but it’s beyond me presently, I was genuinely planning on not patronising you all here anymore on this topic I doubt we will see eye to eye on until enough time has passed, I replied out of courtesy and respect, I was feeling quite decided about withdrawing from BL entirely to focus on my mental health needs atm.
I can’t think straight at all today, head is always at 10% the day after a heavy acid trip.
COVID-19 Data Explorer
Research and data to make progress against the world’s largest problems
Hopefully it will fix itself later, but you know me, I don’t rule out some A.I program mischievously interfering.
I realise this is not in any way an answer to what you were actually asking @birdup.snaildown but it’s beyond me presently, I was genuinely planning on not patronising you all here anymore on this topic I doubt we will see eye to eye on until enough time has passed, I replied out of courtesy and respect, I was feeling quite decided about withdrawing from BL entirely to focus on my mental health needs atm.
I can’t think straight at all today, head is always at 10% the day after a heavy acid trip.
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Most infections in Israel are among vaccinated people
In Israel, about 60% of the country’s population of 9.3 million has received at least one dose of a COVID vaccine. About 85% of adults in Israel have been vaccinated. Yet most of the new coronavirus infections are occurring in vaccinated people.
In early-July, former Health Minister Chezy Levy, M.D. confirmed that “55% of the newly infected [people in Israel] had been vaccinated.”
There has also been a concerning rise in the number of vaccinated people in Israel being hospitalized. An article in The Jerusalem Post last week noted that the Israeli Health Ministry reported 124 people had been hospitalized for COVID-19 on July 20 and that 65% of them were fully vaccinated. Of the 124 people, 62 were in serious condition and 70% of those patients were fully vaccinated.
Earlier this month, the Health Ministry estimated that the Pfizer/BioNTech’s BNT162b2 COVID biologic was only 64% effective in preventing symptomatic infections of COVID-19, specifically those caused by the Delta variant. But the effectiveness rate for Pfizer’s experimental COVID vaccine in preventing infection (and transmission) could be lower.
“We do not know exactly to what degree the vaccine helps, but it is significantly less,” said Israel’s Prime Minister Naftali Bennett.
In Israel, about 60% of the country’s population of 9.3 million has received at least one dose of a COVID vaccine. About 85% of adults in Israel have been vaccinated. Yet most of the new coronavirus infections are occurring in vaccinated people.
In early-July, former Health Minister Chezy Levy, M.D. confirmed that “55% of the newly infected [people in Israel] had been vaccinated.”
There has also been a concerning rise in the number of vaccinated people in Israel being hospitalized. An article in The Jerusalem Post last week noted that the Israeli Health Ministry reported 124 people had been hospitalized for COVID-19 on July 20 and that 65% of them were fully vaccinated. Of the 124 people, 62 were in serious condition and 70% of those patients were fully vaccinated.
Earlier this month, the Health Ministry estimated that the Pfizer/BioNTech’s BNT162b2 COVID biologic was only 64% effective in preventing symptomatic infections of COVID-19, specifically those caused by the Delta variant. But the effectiveness rate for Pfizer’s experimental COVID vaccine in preventing infection (and transmission) could be lower.
“We do not know exactly to what degree the vaccine helps, but it is significantly less,” said Israel’s Prime Minister Naftali Bennett.
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Infections in vaccinated people in UK are outpacing infections in the unvaccinated
The Zoe COVID Study, led by epidemiologist Tim Spector, M.D., of Kings College in London, estimated that there were 17,581 new daily symptomatic cases of COVID-19 in unvaccinated people, or 22% less than the previous week’s total of 22,638 new cases. According to a press release issued by the study’s authors, “With cases in the vaccinated group continuing to rise, the number of new cases in the vaccinated population is set to overtake the unvaccinated in the coming days.”
On July 17, the UK’s Health Secretary, Sajid Javid, announced he had tested positive for the SARS-CoV-2 virus despite having received two doses of the AstraZeneca/Oxford University’s experimental AZD1222 COVID vaccine on Mar. 17 and May 16.
In a message posted on Twitter, Javid wrote:
“This morning I tested positive for COVID. I’m waiting for my PCR result, but thankfully I have had my jabs and symptoms are mild.”
With a population of more than 66 million people, two-thirds of adults in the UK. have received COVID-19 vaccine, representing a total of 82,592,996 vaccinations as of July 20. Some 46,349,709 Britons have received the first dose and 36,243,287 have gotten the second dose. The country is not vaccinating children.
The Zoe COVID Study, led by epidemiologist Tim Spector, M.D., of Kings College in London, estimated that there were 17,581 new daily symptomatic cases of COVID-19 in unvaccinated people, or 22% less than the previous week’s total of 22,638 new cases. According to a press release issued by the study’s authors, “With cases in the vaccinated group continuing to rise, the number of new cases in the vaccinated population is set to overtake the unvaccinated in the coming days.”
On July 17, the UK’s Health Secretary, Sajid Javid, announced he had tested positive for the SARS-CoV-2 virus despite having received two doses of the AstraZeneca/Oxford University’s experimental AZD1222 COVID vaccine on Mar. 17 and May 16.
In a message posted on Twitter, Javid wrote:
“This morning I tested positive for COVID. I’m waiting for my PCR result, but thankfully I have had my jabs and symptoms are mild.”
With a population of more than 66 million people, two-thirds of adults in the UK. have received COVID-19 vaccine, representing a total of 82,592,996 vaccinations as of July 20. Some 46,349,709 Britons have received the first dose and 36,243,287 have gotten the second dose. The country is not vaccinating children.
Maybe the vaxxed are more "exposed" and go about life normally (no mask, no distancing, no more staying home... just more in the way of "infective" habits/routines whereas the unvaxxed may not? Maybe the unvaxxed are not exposing themseles as much?
Just trying to understand how this could be is all.
ya'll sure keep a mf on their toes and thankful for it
edit: those cases of vaxxed being hospitalized is interesting... i was under the impression these jabs were supposed to prevent this...?
Maybe I am only getting the "other side" of the argument but this is what have found on breakthroughs, hospitalizations and deaths from covid in the vaccinated:
Was goin on?
Two camps of totally different data?
- The hospitalization rate among fully vaccinated people with COVID-19 ranged from effectively zero (0.00 % ) in California, Delaware, D.C., Indiana, New Jersey, New Mexico, Vermont, and Virginia to 0.06% in Arkansas. (Note: Hospitalization may or may not have been due to COVID-19.)
- The rates of death among fully vaccinated people with COVID-19 were even lower, effectively zero (0.00 % ) in all but two reporting states, Arkansas and Michigan where they were 0.01%. (Note: Deaths may or may not have been due to COVID-19.) Source
About 99.999% of fully vaccinated Americans have not had a deadly Covid-19 breakthrough case, CDC data shows
Was goin on?
Two camps of totally different data?
birdup.snaildown
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While I haven't closely studied all the data presented here, it doesn't appear to be incompatible.
The data coming out of Israel is different because a large chunk of the population has been vaccinated for so long they now need a booster.
The Israeli study that @Mr. Krinkle posted initially (about a week ago) was about the waning immunity in Israel and the need for boosters among their vaccinated population. The reason he is again posting stuff out of Israel is because it is misrepresentative of the world at large and it vaguely - if you squint - supports the idea that the vaccines are terribly ineffective.
You could easily compile the same data to "prove" that the flu jab is ineffective. Taking a sample population that was vaccinated a year ago and calling them vaccinated is too simple an approach.
If you look at the early Israeli data, the data indicated the efficacy of the vaccines was similar to the rest of the world.
The data coming out of Israel is different because a large chunk of the population has been vaccinated for so long they now need a booster.
The Israeli study that @Mr. Krinkle posted initially (about a week ago) was about the waning immunity in Israel and the need for boosters among their vaccinated population. The reason he is again posting stuff out of Israel is because it is misrepresentative of the world at large and it vaguely - if you squint - supports the idea that the vaccines are terribly ineffective.
You could easily compile the same data to "prove" that the flu jab is ineffective. Taking a sample population that was vaccinated a year ago and calling them vaccinated is too simple an approach.
If you look at the early Israeli data, the data indicated the efficacy of the vaccines was similar to the rest of the world.
Ahhhhh. Nice. Guessing the vaccine would become less effective over time (of course). Didn't know when they vaxxed. So the vaxxed are about to run out of gas and be right back in "danger" of becoming infected; wonder if that extra viral load will be an issue? haha Oh, man. One person super-spreaders. Oh my.
Now I can kinda understand why the unvaxxed are being "demonized"... the longer this drags out the more of a problem it will become.
Where's that next virus that usually comes along every fall? lol We need to get over this one and ready for the next.
edit:
A little info regarding reference to israel which suggests the vaccines dropped to ~60% efficacy from ~90% months ago. Still no increase in hospitalization of vaccinated.
"Last week, the Israeli ministry of health said that the Pfizer vaccine effectiveness against infection and mild symptoms dropped to 64% in June from earlier highs of above 90%.
The change occurred at the same time as the Delta variant, which is more resistant to vaccines was spreading in Israel, making it hard to say exactly what is behind the change.
The vaccine still reduced the risk of severe disease and hospitalization by 93%, according to the ministry."
Source
So yeah, the vaccine will undoubtedly become ineffective over time. Guess we all gonna die off anyway. Might as well get it over with.
Now I can kinda understand why the unvaxxed are being "demonized"... the longer this drags out the more of a problem it will become.
Where's that next virus that usually comes along every fall? lol We need to get over this one and ready for the next.
edit:
A little info regarding reference to israel which suggests the vaccines dropped to ~60% efficacy from ~90% months ago. Still no increase in hospitalization of vaccinated.
"Last week, the Israeli ministry of health said that the Pfizer vaccine effectiveness against infection and mild symptoms dropped to 64% in June from earlier highs of above 90%.
The change occurred at the same time as the Delta variant, which is more resistant to vaccines was spreading in Israel, making it hard to say exactly what is behind the change.
The vaccine still reduced the risk of severe disease and hospitalization by 93%, according to the ministry."
Source
So yeah, the vaccine will undoubtedly become ineffective over time. Guess we all gonna die off anyway. Might as well get it over with.
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birdup.snaildown
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Something to note about boosters. The Australian government wants 70-80% of the country "fully vaccinated" before we stop locking down. Optimistic estimates suggest that we might get to this number by the end of the year, at which point we will be facing the same issue that Israel is currently facing and the government will (almost certainly) move the goalposts again.
We're doing less than 200,000 (about 150k) doses a day. If we sustained this rate - which we won't - it would take us about a year to vaccinate the entire population.
They're just going to keep locking us down.
I think, eventually, people will fight back against the government. This can't go on forever. My daughter isn't allowed to have any friends or family over for her third birthday. The same thing happened last year... Maybe when she turns four she can have a party.
We're doing less than 200,000 (about 150k) doses a day. If we sustained this rate - which we won't - it would take us about a year to vaccinate the entire population.
They're just going to keep locking us down.
I think, eventually, people will fight back against the government. This can't go on forever. My daughter isn't allowed to have any friends or family over for her third birthday. The same thing happened last year... Maybe when she turns four she can have a party.
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i think they should be looking forward to newer vaccines than the 3 that are available now....but that's what's on sale and if they start talking about newer ones, they wont move the ones they need to move now....drug dealing 101
birdup.snaildown
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@AutoTripper
The reason there is a proportional relationship between high vaccination rates and high deaths per million of various nations is the same reason the Australian vaccination rate is relatively low: there is no incentive here to get vaccinated because there is no virus.
You can't take the vaccination rate and compare it to the deaths per million and draw broad conclusions. This is obvious to qualified people, but the majority of keyboard surfing social media personalities out there are not qualified and fundamentally don't understand how to interpret statistics. Do not take for granted that they have any idea what they are saying. They don't.
Put your faith in people and organisations who are qualified, rather than crackpots on the internet that think they have a greater understanding of science than actual scientists.
The reason there is a proportional relationship between high vaccination rates and high deaths per million of various nations is the same reason the Australian vaccination rate is relatively low: there is no incentive here to get vaccinated because there is no virus.
You can't take the vaccination rate and compare it to the deaths per million and draw broad conclusions. This is obvious to qualified people, but the majority of keyboard surfing social media personalities out there are not qualified and fundamentally don't understand how to interpret statistics. Do not take for granted that they have any idea what they are saying. They don't.
Put your faith in people and organisations who are qualified, rather than crackpots on the internet that think they have a greater understanding of science than actual scientists.
birdup.snaildown
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@Mr. Krinkle
There are 8 fully approved vaccines and nearly 100 in development.
"They" are private companies competing with each other.
There are 8 fully approved vaccines and nearly 100 in development.
Coronavirus Vaccine Tracker
A look at all the vaccines that have reached trials in humans.
www.nytimes.com
"They" are private companies competing with each other.
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