Conspiracies The Covid Narrative

[birdup.snaildown]

you're telling me that i changed the argument, which i never changed from stating that the flu shot = garbage, but here you are, changing the argument from flu shots to measles shots

You made a number of statements other than "flu shot = garbage", like this one.

flu shot is garbage - does nothing

You also said this:

It will not help you get less sick

Now you appear to be arguing that the negatives outweigh the positives. I disagree and I'm very wary of the source you provided, but it's possible.

It is not possible that the flu vaccine doesn't work at all and it is not possible that the COVID vaccine doesn't work at all.

Whether or not you get vaccinated is all about weighing positives and negatives; misinforming people about either is no good, IMO. You are doing what you are criticizing the other side for doing.

here you are, changing the argument from flu shots to measles shots

I'm not changing my argument. Just curious if you are completely anti-vax? Because it'd be weird if you weren't at this point.

If you're going to deny mainstream opinions about COVID and flu jabs, you might as well do so across the board... unless I'm missing something?

Do you think babies should receive any vaccinations?

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

but seriously @birdup.snaildown

do you remember last year when Trump was telling the CDC to change some wording in some statements and they did? that did it for me with them....\


no i don't think babies should get shots....but do whatever you want - that's my view


and no im not really anti-vax - im pro-choice - they're available if you want them or not - im all for that

 

[birdup.snaildown]

no i don't think babies should get shots....but do whatever you want - that's my view

Do you distrust all medical science or just vaccinations?

If you developed a treatable illness that was potentially fatal, would you treat it or leave it up to fate?

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

Do you distrust all medical science or just vaccinations?

If you developed a treatable illness that was potentially fatal, would you treat it or leave it up to fate?

i only somewhat distrust vaccines....like i think you should give babies shots when they're older - a modified schedule - i don't agree with the current schedule they have now....so like with my kid, i got her mmr-v when she was 5....no need to get it sooner - wasn't like she was in daycare so i can see getting it sooner because of that ...and yea what else...like we skipped the polio shot - no need for that since there hasn't been a case here since 1979.....

so yea - depends whats going on....like if i had an infection, would i take an antibiotic? i would, but i wouldnt be happy about it because sometimes they fuck me up by wiping out a little too much and then im trying to rebuild my flora and blah blah blah....i would throw whatever i could at whatever it is but i would research it if i could - if i can't then i can't oh well lol

 

[birdup.snaildown]

Were you genuinely concerned about the risks when deciding at what point during her development to vaccinate your little girl? What informed your decision making?

People have developed this idea that vaccines are more dangerous than other treatments. I guess the problem is you are treating something before it happens, like Minority Report.

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

Were you genuinely concerned about the risks when deciding at what point during her development to vaccinate your little girl? What informed your decision making?

People have developed this idea that vaccines are more dangerous than other treatments. I guess the problem is you are treating something before it happens, like Minority Report.

i was genuinely concerned because im aware that the mmr can cause encephalitis and i'd rather avoid that while the brain is still developing....based on speaking with a lot of people, i wasn't too spooked by the time we got her the shots... but she did almost pass out after the first shot - a little vasovagal....2nd shot no problem...

what else ya wanna ax me

 

[Xorkoth]

Im sorry but that's just not true. It will not help you get less sick - ive seen plenty of ppl laid out from the flu even tho they got the shot

i got the flu shot twice and both times i caught the flu - so that was that for me....last one i got was in 2009 - never again and i caught the flu once after that thanks to my kid bringing it home

I've gotten the flu 3 times in my life. I have gotten the flu shot some years and never caught it in those years. I'm not saying your experience isn't what you had, but my own experience tells me it works and that goes just as far towards proving my point as your experience does towards proving your point. That is to say, it doesn't, it's anecdotal. As long as you are exposed to the strains that year's shot is supposed to protect against, the flu shot works pretty well, but there are tons of flu strains and they can't always predict successfully which ones are going to become the main ones in a flu season. As for getting less sick for other strains, I am not as sure of that statement and it might not be true although I think it is. But my point remains, the flu vaccine is a good way to illustrate why the covid vaccine is working less effectively than it originally was. it's because as the virus mutates, it moves farther away from the antibodies the vaccine produces being effective. So you're more likely to contract covid despite being vaccinated than you were when the alpha variant was the primary variant.

And the smallpox vaccine wasn't 100% effective against smallpox, nor was the polio vaccine 100% effective against polio. people still caught them, just a hell of a lot less people. According to wiki, the smallpox vaccine is 95% effective. Vaccines vary in effectiveness and not a single one I know of is 100% effective (there may be some).

it's hard to argue with the numbers. Like 95% of the hospitalizations and deaths from covid are among the unvaccinated now, and death counts are astronomically lower than they were over the winter or even during the first wave. That's a tremendous improvement.

 

[birdup.snaildown]

what else ya wanna ax me

That is all.
Carry on.

 

[Jabberwocky]

It's not at the lowest point since the 1940's. It's been rising steadly since the 40s, so that doesn't make sense unless it suddenly dropped back to WW2 levels... which it hasn't. I don't know what article you read but I saw something about it dropping the most in a year since the war which makes sense to me. Of course it's COVID related. Best guess so far: the excess deaths in the US are somewhere in the vicinity of +10/+20% for 2020. That's huge.

Life expectancy is 15 years higher than the 1940s.

Sorry. You are correct I mis-wrote what I meant. A bit delirious still this morning.

 

[birdup.snaildown]

The latest Victorian rules.

When can I leave my house?​

You cannot leave your home unless it is for one of five approved reasons.

The reasons are: shopping; authorised work or education; exercise; caregiving, compassionate and medical reasons; and to get vaccinated.

How far can I travel from home?​

For shopping and exercise, you need to stay within a 5km radius of your home.

What are the rules for exercise?​

There is a two-hour limit on exercise, and can only be with one other person, and you must stay within a 5km radius of your home.

What are the rules for wearing face masks?​

Masks must be worn everywhere except for in your home. This includes both indoor places and outdoor areas – unless you have a medical exemption. This rule applies to all of Victoria.

Can I have visitors to my house?​

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No visitors are allowed to your home, other than an intimate partner. People who live alone will be able to form a “single bubble”. If you live alone, you can make a bubble with another person, who can visit you.

There are 146 cases of COVID in Victoria.
Our population is nearly 7 million.

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

I've gotten the flu 3 times in my life. I have gotten the flu shot some years and never caught it in those years. I'm not saying your experience isn't what you had, but my own experience tells me it works and that goes just as far towards proving my point as your experience does towards proving your point. That is to say, it doesn't, it's anecdotal. As long as you are exposed to the strains that year's shot is supposed to protect against, the flu shot works pretty well, but there are tons of flu strains and they can't always predict successfully which ones are going to become the main ones in a flu season. As for getting less sick for other strains, I am not as sure of that statement and it might not be true although I think it is. But my point remains, the flu vaccine is a good way to illustrate why the covid vaccine is working less effectively than it originally was. it's because as the virus mutates, it moves farther away from the antibodies the vaccine produces being effective. So you're more likely to contract covid despite being vaccinated than you were when the alpha variant was the primary variant.

3 times huh...i think ive caught the flu around 10 times in my life...maybe a little more - tough to say....ive always lived in highly populated areas - most weren't too bad and a couple of them kicked my ass - but the 2 years when i got the shots, both times were, on a scale of 1 to 10 - 10 being the worst flu - i'd say they were both around a 5 or 6 - which is average....anyway - yea - so i don't bother with that stupid shot anymore.....but hey - im not saying "don't get it!" i just think it's worthless - to me anyway

but anyway - i disagree with you again because the flu mutates way much more than covid ever has....so even the furthest mutation from the original wuhan strain, is still 97% identical to the original - so it's actually a good replicator....the flu - most notably the Influenza A viruses - mutate and evolve more rapidly than covid....so in reality, a covid vaccine or natural immunity, should be much more effective than a flu shot....and it doesn't really appear to be at the moment...so ya got all these vaccinated ppl still testing positive - even if it's not severe where they're in the hospital or whatever - that doesn't really matter - it's still being spread around by ppl who have the shots....

And the smallpox vaccine wasn't 100% effective against smallpox, nor was the polio vaccine 100% effective against polio. people still caught them, just a hell of a lot less people. According to wiki, the smallpox vaccine is 95% effective. Vaccines vary in effectiveness and not a single one I know of is 100% effective (there may be some).

it's hard to argue with the numbers. Like 95% of the hospitalizations and deaths from covid are among the unvaccinated now, and death counts are astronomically lower than they were over the winter or even during the first wave. That's a tremendous improvement.

Now - no i don't think you can compare this to smallpox - but for comparison's sake - when you got the smallpox vaccine, it actually prevented infection, where as the covid shots, they don't prevent infection - they just lessen the symptoms....so if you ask me, these 3 shots that are available, aren't the answer - they're a band-aid that might rip some skin on the way off - they're not ouchless

it's funny too - only in the US is it all the unvaccinated who are hospitalized - but everywhere else in the world, it's not 95% - it's closer to 60/40 or 50/50

and then ya have to dig for news that may shine a negative light on the shots:

New Jersey officials say nearly 50 fully vaccinated residents have died from COVID-19

New Jersey health officials say that almost 50 fully vaccinated people have died from COVID-19, according to data through July 12, NJ Advance Media reported on Wednesday.

thehill.com

Henry County teacher dies from COVID-19 months after getting vaccine

A husband is mourning the loss of his wife after she died from COVID-19. Randy Ferguson says it'll be hard to imagine a life without his soulmate, Amy. "It's hard, of course," he said. "We were married for 32 years and dated four years before that. So that's over half my life, well over half my...

www.wset.com

but we have President Creepy Joe claiming on TV that you won't die if you get the shots and then catch it - cmon man

 

[ions]

They're making little news of Fauci's testimonial somewhere in washington and his lies. Rand Paul heads up that division.

Fauci funded the Wuhan lab that covertly did create the virus. He's profited from misleading the american public.

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

Studies show that fully vaccinated people can be less likely to spread the virus to others, even if they do get COVID-19. Fully vaccinated people can resume activities that they did before the pandemic.

I had COVID last year and a J&J shot. I’m not going to spread anyway. All of the science says so at the moment.

Right - gotta keep shining the positive light on the shots.....i don't believe it - ya know why? because you can't make that claim this early into it - but of course they are

if they don't give you full freedom to do what you want post-shots, then most ppl will say "then why bother?" but we're seeing the results of that play out now

 

[ions]

Fauci looks zonked on xanax. And still thinks marijuana needs more research.

Fauci lacks sound reason in his retort.

But yeah, Rand might find a pipe to the knee on such accounts.

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

I’m just saying… I have had COVID and the shot. I don’t have to worry about COVID anymore or spreading it. I’ll resume live as usual. If you have never had COVID or the vaccine… well too bad, so sad. I’ll be on the flip side bro.

cool - I don't worry about it either (y)

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

but see - even if you dislike Rand Paul, we need somebody like him to challenge others like that

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

dude - that's a 2 minute minor for quoting yourself

 

[ions]

All we need to do is take Ron Paul's liberty report, make it national broadcast, have it act as the official government news because shit for brains BIden is a little out of touch with reality.

 

[ions]

Snake in the grass, pain in the ass. Government lied about covid, and continues to sell fear.

 

[ageingpartyfiend]

@Mr. Krinkle I'm shook at your flu-jab consumption! I personally wouldn't touch it with a barge-pole

I also insisted that my kids had the mmr jabs separately, and wouldn't dream of letting any medic give covid jabs to any small kids, fuck that, truly.

I'm just posting this to encourage nuance in everyone. Individual scenario's are complex af and it's not helpful for people to judge each other on issues such as this - I'm totes pro-choice too and not anti-anything except coersion and disrespect