Conspiracies The Covid Narrative

[thegreenhand]

Prolonging what? Coronavirus and it's variants will likely be for us for the foreseeable future. It's not just going to go away in the next year or so....

I understand that, but I think we need to set clear lines for people who have given up hope (aka a lot of us). Not necessarily time goals but maybe vax rate or positivity rate numbers. The goalposts seem to me moving on how long we will shut down for. If we decide that it’s until covid is gone, people deserve to know that’s the plan. At least imo

 

[Jabberwocky]

I understand that, but I think we need to set clear lines for people who have given up hope (aka a lot of us). Not necessarily time goals but maybe vax rate or positivity rate numbers. The goalposts seem to me moving on how long we will shut down for. If we decide that it’s until covid is gone, people deserve to know that’s the plan. At least imo

What do you mean? We do have vax rate goals. Positivity rate numbers? what is that?

The states have been designating when to shut down themselves, the government doesn't do that.

"until covid is gone we shut down everything"?

Dude the states dictate this? What agenda are you referring to? what plan?

 

[thegreenhand]

What do you mean? We do have vax rate goals. Positivity rate numbers? what is that?

The states have been designating when to shut down themselves, the government doesn't do that.

"until covid is gone we shut down everything"?

Dude the states dictate this? What agenda are you referring to? what plan?

Positivity rate is the proportion of individuals in a given population who have tested positive for covid. If I remember correctly New Zealand had a goal of zero at one point (but tbf I didn’t vet that too hard)

don’t think I referenced any agenda?

and yes I wish the states would coordinate more amongst themselves that’s kinda my point

 

[Jabberwocky]

The goalposts seem to me moving on how long we will shut down for. If we decide that it’s until covid is gone, people deserve to know that’s the plan. At least imo

Sorry man I guess I misinterpreted what you're saying here.

I just think we need to stop looking at covid with any political view. It's a medical science issue. I think we should trust in science before thinking about political stuff.

The states dictate themselves and I'm happy with that.

I'm not sure what you mean exactly by the states should coordinate more. They all have very different politics. The states will never coordinate on anything, just look at weed legalization.

I wish we were more unified and coordinated, too, but doubt that will happen in my lifetime. That's 'murica.

 

[JackARoe]

@JackARoe why are you scared to get it? I'm just curious.

Not really sure. However the only people that did not have side effects are my mother and father who are 88 and my wife. But my wife also ended up in the hospital a week after her first shot for sme strange reason. I do not correlate that with the vaccine but who knows.

We take in data as humans. The data I have right in front of me is all I can look at.

The only person I know, my parents in a retirement community know, aunts, uncles, the ONLY person we ALL know that died of covid was my wife's father. Who was in a nursing home and organs already started failing from diabetes and was 93.

But further out of my periphery just heard a Jonn Prine tune and almost cried.

Some data I have around me.

1. We had a painter that had just got the first vaccine had to go home feeling sick
2. The painters partner told me his arm hurt and he could not work for 3 weeks after his first shot
3. A friend of mine who was just like me, internally conflicted finally got it and told me NO in a strong way. He felt sick and his arm her for a good while
3. My friends mother, cooked dinner for said friend and his sister. Got the first shot and ended up in the hopital and died two days later. Now this friend is
totally antivax. He was stunned that the doctor brother and sister there in the hospital would NOT bring up the vaccine.
4. My mothers friend went blind in one eye for a month and her doctor did correlate that with the vaccine. Brave doctor.
5. Numerous people felt sick for a week or two after the second shot.

Yet then there are the millions that got it and are fine. I do know a slew of friends that got it and are just fine. That is the data I have. That is why I am nervous. But I will say it again.. F*ck me. I get it. Just get it. And yet I can't.

 

[thegreenhand]

Sorry man I guess I misinterpreted what you're saying here.

I just think we need to stop looking at covid with any political view. It's a medical science issue. I think we should trust in science before thinking about political stuff.

The states dictate themselves and I'm happy with that.

All good, I really wasn’t that clear

I guess what I meant is just the attitudes of people, not governmental restrictions. I mostly socialize with a younger crowd and the general sentiment is that vaccinated = free to live as we once did. But for some social groups this is not the case.

idk if we have repeatedly confirmed science on which of the above we should do, to be fair (please anyone drop links if you have them, I’ll admit I’m not the most well read on the subject anymore). Yes trust in science, but the scientific method works slowly

I suppose states doing it themselves gives communities (broadly defined) more autonomy in what they consider acceptable. But I am worried to see how conflict over the path forward will divide us

 

[Jabberwocky]

@JackARoe of course we have side effects. Every vaccine I've ever had - or any time anyone gave me an IM injection in my arm it was sore for a few days. That's normal... someone is literally puncturing your muscle tissue and stabbing you with a small sword, of course it will be sore.

I felt crappy and had cold sweats for 24 hours after my dose... but hey I'm totally fine now and now I don't have to worry about covid

No matter what I feel about the side effects they were extremely mild for me and now I don't have to worry about covid.

In my view the side effects are about 10000x less dangerous than getting covid

What I'm saying is that the 1 in 1,000,000 chance that you have major side effects from the vaccine is a lot better in the 1 in 1000 chance you are hospitalized/die from covid.

Plus from what I hear the permanent side effects from covid are worse than the vaccine

I do understand your fear though. I personally chose to trust in the statistics (because in the end... I am one )

 

[Jabberwocky]

But I am worried to see how conflict over the path forward will divide us

I think US politics divided inseparably 5 years ago. So ugly now. I'm honestly losing sleep over it. I don't know where we are heading but I don't think it's going to get calm any time soon in my lifetime

 

[thegreenhand]

I think US politics divided inseparably 5 years ago. So ugly now. I'm honestly losing sleep over it. I don't know where we are heading but I don't think it's going to get calm any time soon in my lifetime

Quite frankly, I’m planning to leave the US in the next ten years. I have connections in other a couple Asian countries such that I could move there and find a university job if I wanted.

i think it may be the right move for my overall health…

 

[Jabberwocky]

Quite frankly, I’m planning to leave the US in the next ten years. I have connections in other a couple Asian countries such that I could move there and find a university job if I wanted.

i think it may be the right move for my overall health…

ya I feel the same way, but i wouldn't move to SEA or over there.

my father a vietnam vet decided to move there, realized it was a huge mistake and moved back 2 years later

thought he would live like a king, and he did in some ways... but realized living in Asia has some seriously big downsides as well ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

good talk bro im going to sleep, peace

 

[thegreenhand]

ya I feel the same way, but i wouldn't move to SEA or over there.

my father a vietnam vet decided to move there, realized it was a huge mistake and moved back 2 years later

thought he would live like a king, and he did in some ways... but realized living in Asia has some seriously big downsides as well ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

good talk bro im going to sleep, peace

Central Asia my friend

good night, sweet dreams

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

I don't get why anyone wouldn't get vaccinated.

The covid illness is way worse than any potential side effects you WONT get :/

I'd much rather trust the government isn't trying to kill me or mind control me than worry about dying from covid or spreading it to my loved ones

A lot of anti-vaxxers who gets sick talks about regretting it before they die and then ask for the vaccine but it's too late. IDK what would change their minds.

i have a friend who had a stroke 10 days after the first shot


i'd rather battle the illness than take a chance with a stroke or heart attack

 

[thegreenhand]

i have a friend who had a stroke 10 days after the first shot


i'd rather battle the illness than take a chance with a stroke or heart attack

That makes no sense

how are concluding the stroke was caused by the vaccine?

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

That makes no sense

how are concluding the stroke was caused by the vaccine?

well everything was fine up until then....so yea

that's exactly what all the docs say, "oh it's just coincidence"

coincidence my ass

 

[JackARoe]

Yeah correlation is important as I observe. The guy that had a stroke could have ate french fried that day. Maybe it was that? See that is where belief comes in.

But I am observing a lot of coincidence too. Could be nothing. I think our minds can create things if we want too. But right now it is just data.

It is ok to wait and be careful. J&J already tweaked their vaccine. People are gathering now like normal. Let's see what happens.

 

[thegreenhand]

well everything was fine up until then....so yea

that's exactly what all the docs say, "oh it's just coincidence"

coincidence my ass

Wouldn’t the stroke have happened during the first couple days after the shot when the effects were strongest?

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

Wouldn’t the stroke have happened during the first couple days after the shot when the effects were strongest?

oh ok

just a coincidence then

it's all a coincidence....unless you're 16 and you have a heart attack a short time later because there's no denying that right?

 

[Xorkoth]

well everything was fine up until then....so yea

that's exactly what all the docs say, "oh it's just coincidence"

coincidence my ass

I'm sorry man. Same thing happened to my cousin's girlfriend, except from covid. What a weird, shitty time we live in. Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right... glad I didn't get any vaccine side effects. I was nervous though.

 

[birdup.snaildown]

Wouldn’t the stroke have happened during the first couple days after the shot when the effects were strongest?

Not necessarily. The platelet blood clotting disease from AstraZeneca is typically diagnosed within three weeks after the first shot. I know because I was tested for it. Strokes are caused by blood clots getting into the brain. Blood clots can exist unnoticed.

 

[birdup.snaildown]

In Australia, since the vaccine rollout started, there have been more deaths from vaccines than COVID, but you should still get vaccinated. That's a confusing message. This is why Australians don't want to get vaccinated: because the threat of the vaccine in this country is actually higher than the threat of the virus... but only if we lock down indefinitely.

It's like the three little pigs. We are the third pig. We made a brick house. The wolf can't get in. So, we sit around in our house and get fat. Meanwhile the other pigs (US/UK/etc) are now battle hardened ninja warriors. Sure they have some scars, but also got abs of steel. They've learnt to live with the wolf.