The Cost of Immigration

[LosBlancos]

Colonies built on genocide have no high moral ground to stand on when it comes to "illegal immigrants".
Its simple hypocrisy.

Genocide? Wasn't that just simply immigration? I mean, is immigration only bad when it's white people moving in? I mean look at all the horrible cities, roads, and infrastructure the Europeans built after coming here if they were never came we'd have teepees, buffalo roaming, and look like a third-world country.

You must have soaked up this far-left crap from some college professor or an America hater like Michael Moore. The situation with the Indians is done we gave half them lucrative casinos, other shit we have made amends with whatever happened it wasn't genocide. Can we move forward and not talk about Native Americans and slavery that has nothing to do with the present, 2014 and the immigration issue now.

 

[L2R]

national borders are the most destructive pieces of fiction in the history of the human species. let go of the pride you hold in the place of your birth. you had no control over who you were born to and where, so you have no right to take any pride it in whatsoever. your national debt is of no importance when millions are murdered and starved due to these fucking lines in the sand.


burn the borders or sleep forever in an ocean of blood. we are entirely responsible for hell on earth.

 

[Joeof1]

It has cost me over $6K so far to get my Visa for Australia so far. If those countries wanted to make sense with immigration, they wouldn't hand out welfare to them if they are there illegally. Although why any nation would want to buy more poverty with welfare is beyond my understanding, it's completely detrimental to the long term stability and livelihood of the nation in general to do so.

The Fraser Institute is a conservative think tank. Not exactly an unbiased source of evidence.

No one is unbiased, so that is not even a fair critique.

 

[L2R]

It has cost me over $6K so far to get my Visa for Australia so far.

jeez, what kind of visa is that?

If those countries wanted to make sense with immigration, they wouldn't hand out welfare to them if they are there illegally. Although why any nation would want to buy more poverty with welfare is beyond my understanding, it's completely detrimental to the long term stability and livelihood of the nation in general to do so.

welfare is the key to social mobility and economic sustainability, unless you're a fan of homelessness and people dying in the street. in which case, hey why not harvest the dying poor and elderly for organs and grind up the rest for pet food?

No one is unbiased, so that is not even a fair critique.

some are more biased than others. every individual and every group represents certain interests, so that is why the scientific process involves the peer review system in place to ensure conclusions are repeated by a number of different individuals and groups. this effectively undermines bias, so the criticism by Foreigner is quite apt.

 

[Joeof1]

jeez, what kind of visa is that?

Subclass 309. My wife is already there. I've had to apply twice, they lost my paperwork for 7 months and I had to "resend" it. Typical government employees.

welfare is the key to social mobility and economic sustainability, unless you're a fan of homelessness and people dying in the street. in which case, hey why not harvest the dying poor and elderly for organs and grind up the rest for pet food?

Where is the proof that a poor person can obtain social mobility thanks to welfare?

some are more biased than others. every individual and every group represents certain interests, so that is why the scientific process involves the peer review system in place to ensure conclusions are repeated by a number of different individuals and groups. this effectively undermines bias, so the criticism by Foreigner is quite apt.

So what you are saying is that Foreigner is capable of being impartial although no other human is actually capable of this.

Yeah, sure, and I have three nukes and potato in my arse.

 

[LosBlancos]

national borders are the most destructive pieces of fiction in the history of the human species. let go of the pride you hold in the place of your birth. you had no control over who you were born to and where, so you have no right to take any pride it in whatsoever. your national debt is of no importance when millions are murdered and starved due to these fucking lines in the sand.


burn the borders or sleep forever in an ocean of blood. we are entirely responsible for hell on earth.

I'm a bit confused in this thread, apparently when Native Americans there should have been clear lines drawn for the borders? But now, open up the floodgates right?

 

[LosBlancos]

 

[L2R]

Subclass 309. My wife is already there. I've had to apply twice, they lost my paperwork for 7 months and I had to "resend" it. Typical government employees.

Ah, my wife and i had to go through a similar process for her visa. But it didn't cost us that much. We just had to prove the legitimacy of our relationship, which was a massive pain, albeit inexpensive.

Where is the proof that a poor person can obtain social mobility thanks to welfare?

welfare is an enabler of upskilling and education so as to make one more competitive and capable of contributing more value to the community. as a safety net, it creates far more total good for the community than any minority of abusers can possibly take. it's been a few years since i did distributive justice in uni, so i don't have my sources handy here at work.

So what you are saying is that Foreigner is capable of being impartial although no other human is actually capable of this.

Yeah, sure, and I have three nukes and potato in my arse.

from that interpretation, i can understand your incredulity. however, i didn't say that at all. that would be a very silly thing to say. please re-read my post.

I'm a bit confused in this thread, apparently when Native Americans there should have been clear lines drawn for the borders? But now, open up the floodgates right?

i said nothing about native americans.

but anyway, borders were destructive back then, they are far more destructive now.

 

[LosBlancos]

welfare is an enabler of upskilling and education so as to make one more competitive and capable of contributing more value to the community. as a safety net, it creates far more total good for the community than any minority of abusers can possibly take. it's been a few years since i did distributive justice in uni, so i don't have my sources handy here at work.

Enabling upskilling and education as seen in the beautiful cities of Chicago, Oakland, Detroit, New Orleans. All Democratic strongholds, pumping in welfare money and federal funds like no tommorow.

With no borders, we cease to have a national identity. We cease to be who we are. Democrats literally have blood on their hands when people they say should get visa or citizenship go on to do terrorism or bring ebola, ect.

 

[harmacologist]

Well my forebears shed blood to preserve this country, have lived here for a while and paid taxes all our lives and bleed the red, white and blue. We are already trillions or billions in debt we don't need any more immigrants who will exponentially reproduce and put a strain on our welfare programs, our schools, and the available jobs. If someone is self-sufficient and has good skills and in demand degree sure they should become a citizen. If we had more stringent immigration control we would not have had 9/11, not had the Boston Marathon bombing, and we would not have ebola here.

where id your ancestors immigrate from?

 

[LosBlancos]

where id your ancestors immigrate from?

Italy.

The same country that Christopher Colombus the man who found America happened to come from.

 

[harmacologist]

Italy.

The same country that Christopher Colombus the man who found America happened to come from.

Why should your people be allowed to immigrate to America but not other people?

Also technically Columbus was from Genoa, so you cannot really say he was Italian.

 

[LosBlancos]

Why should your people be allowed to immigrate to America but not other people?

Also technically Columbus was from Genoa, so you cannot really say he was Italian.

I'm not saying that. Just people that don't speak English, don't have any skills whether it be a trade or a college degree, and don't have any money in their bank account we should think twice about letting them become citizens. Democrats will argue that we are not taking care of our poor well enough as it is, so why add to the ranks of the hungry and destitute in this country? It's like a mother in the inner-city she has two kids who all their food is paid for by taxpayer, is it good idea for her to have more children? Same concept here, we are in massive debt, why take on more people whom aren't self-sufficient who will likely use more social services than they pay in tax?

 

[LosBlancos]

Hell doesn't matter whether you stay in Italy or America, both are beginning to look like third-world countries! No national identity, no homogenous society with respect for tradition! Both are going the way of cultural Marxists.

 

[Joeof1]

Ah, my wife and i had to go through a similar process for her visa. But it didn't cost us that much. We just had to prove the legitimacy of our relationship, which was a massive pain, albeit inexpensive.

That wasn't easy either, even after we had been married for a year... The US embassy still denies that I have an existing relationship with her, even though they have seen the marriage certificate.

welfare is an enabler of upskilling and education so as to make one more competitive and capable of contributing more value to the community. as a safety net, it creates far more total good for the community than any minority of abusers can possibly take. it's been a few years since i did distributive justice in uni, so i don't have my sources handy here at work.

It's investing in poverty. You know what happens when you invest in something? You get more of it. A safety net would be a work program that pays min wage.

from that interpretation, i can understand your incredulity. however, i didn't say that at all. that would be a very silly thing to say. please re-read my post.

I've read it eight times, it still means the same thing from the first time I read it. You think his opinion is valid because of science, but science is a process not a thing.

 

[One Thousand Words]

The irony is your massive debt is a direct result to crossing international borders and waging war for the best part of three decades.

I hold three passports, two of which I had to pass an exam for. Surely I am a better citizen than someone whose only claim to residency is their mother hated giving blow jobs

 

[harmacologist]

Just people that don't speak English, don't have any skills whether it be a trade or a college degree, and don't have any money in their bank account we should think twice about letting them become citizens.

That sounds like a large ethnic group that immigrated to America long ago, from Italy.

 

[LosBlancos]

The irony is your massive debt is a direct result to crossing international borders and waging war for the best part of three decades.

I hold three passports, two of which I had to pass an exam for. Surely I am a better citizen than someone whose only claim to residency is their mother hated giving blow jobs

Well other countries are too busy sipping lattes with scarfs around their neck to stand up and fight when called upon. Surely if wasn't for us Americans the world would be ran by Nazis now or Communists, now is time to fight against the Caliphate. If your love one died in 9/11 you wouldn't care how much it cost to make sure it don't happen again, to take the fight pro-actively to terrorist.

 

[Bardeaux]

Italy.

The same country that Christopher Colombus the man who found America happened to come from.

Note: I don't endorse this poster. It's just an historical example of "American" racism towards Italians.

NSFW:

With no borders, we cease to have a national identity. We cease to be who we are.

Exactly how strongly does your nationality determine who you are to you. Maybe I'm just being ethnocentric as I don't consider myself a cultural American just as I don't consider myself a Michigander.It's just where I happen to live.

bring ebola, ect.

You can't be serious.

 

[One Thousand Words]

One of my passports was Italian, which isn't really a country rather a group of feudal estates forced into a nation by a war monger. The only thing I needed for that passport was the ability to attract a girl and play rugby better than a local, hardly attributes to be waving a flag over

If your love one died in 9/11 you wouldn't care how much it cost to make sure it don't happen again, to take the fight pro-actively to terrorist.

So why did you invade Iraq and not Saudi Arabia?