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directed at obama on and after his election was disgusting.

May I point you to my actual words

I can't recall hearing nearly as much ill wishing from the right. Maybe I'm missing it, but I certainly hear more of it from the left these days

I can see the first line being read broad enough for comparison to what you showed regarding Obama. Context of 'these days' can be missed in the first sentence, but surely not in the overall statement? I will admit, the small voices from the right doing such nastiness to Obama were not representative of the whole, nor did I personally approve of the little* of it I saw.

I do owe a follow up on a statement I made a few weeks ago about this topic. But how many 'hate crimes' have been committed in the last year or three by conservatives, or those viewed as being on the right, compared to all the fake hate crimes and hatred towards Trump? Rhetorical until I can do my own share of the homework I signed up for.





*Little = not that there was a lot or a little of such content, only that I wasn't paying attention enough to see much of it. A statement on my level of attention, not of how much was being said.
 
Obama was a darling of the media because he pushed the globalist neolib agenda and managed to take ideologically-possessed people along for the ride. And yes Jess I WILL compare the actions of different politicians and then assess your personal bias and lack of information by how you champion the downfall of someone. For eg comparing Trump's political jaywalking with Obama (and Hillary - staying on topic) turning Libya into an open-air sex slave market. I can objectively say one is worse, one was a worse president, one should be in jail for actual crimes, and one is being unfairly targeted with nonsense accusations because people have been triggered by a dishonest media.
 
We dodged a bullet with Hillary losing the election and not becoming the president. Had she won we would have been at war with Russia, China, and North Korea. She has never been a pacifist and needs to come out of the closet as lesbian finally. Bill and Hillary Clinton and Obama are war criminals akin to Bush and Cheney, fascists, and are mass murderers.

I attended left leaning peace activism from 2001 forward and the speeches against Hillary Clinton were almost as frequent as against George W Bush. We called her "Bush Lite" back then but it is clear she is a full-blown Neocon today. She supported Iraq and Iran Resolutions while she was Senator(so her excuse that her Iraq support was a "mistake" became instant hogwash after that). Then as Secretary of State she led the way for criminal regime changes in Libya & Syria, she organized the USA/NATO coalition that bombed Libya back to the stone age. Her emails of herself and her sycophants are very telling, she brags about leading the overthrow of Libya's Gaddafi and being the one that turned a naïve President Obama around for her sinister plans. She armed terrorists (so-called "moderate rebels") in both those countries. Her anti-Gaddafi terrorists mass murdered black Africans in Libya. She was behind a coup in Honduras. She did a pay-for-play arms deal with Saudi who donated millions to her foundation. Her foundation became know as an international money-laundering scheme for donors seeking her favor as USA Secretary of State. Her foundation ripped-off billions from Haiti earthquake victims. The laundry list goes on and on. Peace activists read hundreds of independent/international press and actual documents, so we are intentionally informing ourselves instead of watching corporate US mainstream media. Some of us tend to be non-partisan no matter what our party affiliation, but it is hard to get masses of like minded people among the public to march against Obama and Hillary. It was much easier to gather the public against George W Bush. So even though left leaning peace activists groups did educate each other about Hillary's war crimes, it was difficult to break the cognitive dissonance of the non-activist Democrat voters. So the marches stopped.

Hillary has already been extremely dangerous to the world, she is one of the primary reasons why there are millions of dead/injured/displaced civilians in the MidEast and North Africa. Many people in Central, Southern, and Western European countries hate Hillary for the refugee crisis she caused and that she opened the doors for terrorists to easily infiltrate their countries. She has her eye on overthrowing Syria and Honduras, and she would no doubt entertain the thought of another criminal regime change in Iran later if she is ever given any position of power again. I hope this helps you see Hillary for what she really is a war criminal, liar, mass-murderer, and hypocrite. She was never for GLBT rights, human rights, or women's rights but gladly takes insane amounts of money from countries where women, and GLBT people have no rights and we are imprisoned, tortured, and executed, and murdered in 'honour killings' by family, friends, and peers. She is incredibly dangerous and will say or do anything to get elected. Hillary and Bill Clinton and the Obamas are also against immigrants and are incredibly bigoted and racist people.

There is a very good Forbes article about how Hillary loves starting wars. I tried to link to it but bluelight or Forbes magazine would not let me.


 
Far to liberal in here for anyone to care for the facts you posted. To busy witch hunting Trump
So you came to thread to discuss those facts or blather about liberals?

You know he posted this in another thread right?
 
Far to liberal in here for anyone to care for the facts you posted. To busy witch hunting Trump

Weren't you just the other day supporting my comments about how Trump is unfit for office and unsuitable to lead us through this intense and important time in the world's history? So how is it a witch hunt?
 
Weren't you just the other day supporting my comments about how Trump is unfit for office and unsuitable to lead us through this intense and important time in the world's history? So how is it a witch hunt?

Trump is unfit. The witch hunt began when he was elected. All the previous attacks were unfounded. The media is like a dog with a bone with trump when other politicians do worse but they are left. The American media is liberal whether you see it or not. As a foreigner it's not hard to see the bias
 
Trump is unfit. The witch hunt began when he was elected. All the previous attacks were unfounded. The media is like a dog with a bone with trump when other politicians do worse but they are left. The American media is liberal whether you see it or not. As a foreigner it's not hard to see the bias

I think you see what you want to see. Trump's media "witch hunts" are steady advertising just as Obama's "scandals" were advertising dollars. With a massively consolidated media apparatus that for the most part slavishly promotes both the corporate line and the Pentagon line, you see stories that drive that narrative. Trump scandals makes them the easiest money because they are entertaining.

Its very rare that in-depth analysis appears.
 
The media is just like presidential debates.

In a presidential debate, the clear winner is always whichever person you already sided with.

Likewise the media is clearly biased against whatever position you already sided with.

In reality though, different outlets are biased in different directions. With the whole thing seeming far left or far right if you yourself are the reverse.
 
I'm neither right or left in your American system. Im speaking as someone going exactly by what I and others see as someone outside America. The American media didn't go after Hillary(and other Democrats)bad as Trump and she did worse. So yes that's bias if you see it or not. The rest of the world sure sees it.
 
I'm neither right or left in your American system. Im speaking as someone going exactly by what I and others see as someone outside America. The American media didn't go after Hillary(and other Democrats)bad as Trump and she did worse. So yes that's bias if you see it or not. The rest of the world sure sees it.

Again, your perspective. I can't stand Hilary Clinton and while I would probably never vote Republican, I chose the Green Party in the last election because there was no way in hell I was voting for her. With that qualified? Hilary Clinton has been under constant attack as a wife, a feminist, a mother, a member of the White House family, a member of Congress, and the Secretary of State for far longer than Trump has even farted on a copy of Current Affairs. To say that "Trump got it worse" than 33 hearings on Benghazi is just unrealistic. The right-wing has had a hard-on for her since before she changed her name to Rodham-Clinton.
 
Yeah that's true, she's been criticized since before she even went into politics.

That said, I was furious when she stole the nomination from Bernie in 2016 and I didn't want to vote for her. I did though, because of my extreme concern about Trump after seeing what he had to say and the effect he was having on people on the campaign trail. And by the way, before he ever started campaigning, years before when he said he was interested in running for President the first time, my ex-wife and me both agreed we'd probably vote for him. Thinking it would be someone outside of the political machine who was a business mogul. Then his true colors came out on the campaign trail and you couldn't have paid me enough to vote for him. I also knew less about Clinton at the time. I'm glad she's out of power now, but I can't say I prefer Trump (I don't). I hope in 2020 we get a chance to vote for the two choices we were supposed to have in 2016.
 
Yeah that's true, she's been criticized since before she even went into politics.

That said, I was furious when she stole the nomination from Bernie in 2016 and I didn't want to vote for her. I did though, because of my extreme concern about Trump after seeing what he had to say and the effect he was having on people on the campaign trail. And by the way, before he ever started campaigning, years before when he said he was interested in running for President the first time, my ex-wife and me both agreed we'd probably vote for him. Thinking it would be someone outside of the political machine who was a business mogul. Then his true colors came out on the campaign trail and you couldn't have paid me enough to vote for him. I also knew less about Clinton at the time. I'm glad she's out of power now, but I can't say I prefer Trump (I don't). I hope in 2020 we get a chance to vote for the two choices we were supposed to have in 2016.

Oh no, I'm the same, I think Hilary is absolutely awful but seeing Trump on the campaign trail really cemented the already low opinion I had of him and Republican politics. And I had no problem voting Green. I live in Alabama, there is no such thing here as strategic voting.
 
Yeah that's true, she's been criticized since before she even went into politics.

That said, I was furious when she stole the nomination from Bernie in 2016 and I didn't want to vote for her. I did though, because of my extreme concern about Trump after seeing what he had to say and the effect he was having on people on the campaign trail. And by the way, before he ever started campaigning, years before when he said he was interested in running for President the first time, my ex-wife and me both agreed we'd probably vote for him. Thinking it would be someone outside of the political machine who was a business mogul. Then his true colors came out on the campaign trail and you couldn't have paid me enough to vote for him. I also knew less about Clinton at the time. I'm glad she's out of power now, but I can't say I prefer Trump (I don't). I hope in 2020 we get a chance to vote for the two choices we were supposed to have in 2016.
I remember getting into a very heated argument with my, then 88 year old, grandfather when I found out he voted Hillary in the primary even though he thought Bernie had better ideas. He said that he voted Hillary bc Bernie wouldn't be able to get anything done as his ideas were too far off the beaten path. Like, motherfucker, that's how shit gets done in a democracy you need someone with big ideas to even move the needle, this process is so slow, at least with Bernie the conversation is happening. Who cares if he can't pass anything through a partisan house. At least ppl know it's possible. Its the only time I've ever sworn at my grandfather.
 
Federal Court Rules Hillary Clinton Must Sit for Deposition About Her Use of Private Server

A federal court on Monday ruled that former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton must sit for a deposition where she will be questioned on matters relating to her use of a private server during her time in the State Department.

The ruling from the United States District Court for the District of Columbia was issued in relation to a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request from conservative activist group Judicial Watch.

The Court had previously ordered discovery into three main areas: whether Clinton’s use of a private email server was an intentional attempt to evade FOIA; whether the State Department had previously attempted to settle the case in “bad faith”; whether the State Department had “adequately searched” for records pertinent to Judicial Watch’s request.

According to the order from Ronald Reagan-appointed U.S. District Judge Royce Lamberth, the case presented rare circumstances requiring further discovery.

“Although discovery in FOIA cases is rare, the Court again reminds the government that it was State’s mishandling of this case – which was either the result of bureaucratic incompetence or motivated by bad faith – that opened discovery in the first place,” Lamberth wrote. “Discovery up until this point has brought to light a noteworthy amount of relevant information, but Judicial Watch requests an additional round of discovery, and understandably so. With each passing round of discovery, the Court is left with more questions than answers.”

The order also stated that during a December 2019 status conference, Judicial Watch revealed that the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) had recently produced “approximately thirty previously undisclosed Clinton emails” and that “State failed to fully explain the new emails’ origins when the Court directly questioned where they came from.”

Judicial Watch contended that it is necessary to depose Secretary Clinton because of “significant questions pertaining to her state of mind” which only she can answer.

“The Court GRANTS Judicial Watch’s request to depose Secretary Clinton on matters concerning her reasons for using a private server and her understanding of State’s records management obligations,” Lamberth wrote.

The court denied Judicial Watch’s request to depose Clinton over other matters, however–specifically those relating to the Benghazi attacks.

Interesting. Does anyone consider what she did not-serious or worthy of further investigation? Why not?
 
It's certainly worth investigating. It always has been. Is it serious? Yes.. But not to the degree conservative types make out.
 
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