Annapurna1
Ex-Bluelighter
^ there are still at least two websites up (that werent busted)..which of course i cant post.. another one not busted..which was kind of quacky anyway..has removed his website...
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the brutal death of the research chemical industry
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liquidvision
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the one that is down now was the cheapest and best place to buy RC's from, I dont know why you call it quacky
Annapurna1
Ex-Bluelighter
maybe you didnt have any problems with them..but they did have sort of a bad reputation...
TheDEA.org
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Some of these guys were genuinely stupid, ie. pushing their wares as a 'great high' on message boards from 'unassociated' (but not terribly anonymous) IDs. In those cases, the DEA has a very strong case. However, it's much less clear if they can effectively prosecute companies that never expressed an awareness of the drug's use by humans.
That so many companies were brought down at once smells like government terrorism; if you arrest and charge everybody who doesn't do what you want, you can control the population even if you don't convict anybody. People will give up out of fear even if they are legally in the right.
I don't think this will do much in the long run to the RC industry. Hitting bong shops hasn't done jack to restrict the bong supply. Hitting JLF a few years ago didn't even stop THEM from selling most things for long. Capitalism does not permit the elimination of a trade as long as there is demand; a lesson the Communists learned the hard way but the drug warriors can't seem to understand.
That so many companies were brought down at once smells like government terrorism; if you arrest and charge everybody who doesn't do what you want, you can control the population even if you don't convict anybody. People will give up out of fear even if they are legally in the right.
I don't think this will do much in the long run to the RC industry. Hitting bong shops hasn't done jack to restrict the bong supply. Hitting JLF a few years ago didn't even stop THEM from selling most things for long. Capitalism does not permit the elimination of a trade as long as there is demand; a lesson the Communists learned the hard way but the drug warriors can't seem to understand.
jeldrid
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Another story:
Glancing over the rest of the thread, it doesn't look like this one has been posted:
http://home.hamptonroads.com/stories/story.cfm?story=73461&ran=50370
I think that's a bit of an overstatement. You'll find a way...if you want to...and I'm sure you will (want to).
Glancing over the rest of the thread, it doesn't look like this one has been posted:
http://home.hamptonroads.com/stories/story.cfm?story=73461&ran=50370
[comments removed]
I think that's a bit of an overstatement. You'll find a way...if you want to...and I'm sure you will (want to).
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gloggawogga
Bluelighter
How is it for the best?? Do you really think prohibiting a few more substances is going to keep kids from getting high?? Not at all. Kids will just end up resorting to even more dangerous substances such as amanitas or datura or solvents or whatever. Prohibition doesn't work or reduce harm.
Reverend_Lust
Bluelighter
yeah no shit I aint ever done DXM but when no more research chems are around i will be chugging it left and right. America will never learn prohibition doesnt work
Annapurna1
Ex-Bluelighter
Reverend_Lust said:
prohibition couldnt work better as a power trip...as michael moore
said .. "the war is not meant to be won..it is meant to be continuous"...
Blowmonkey
Bluelight Crew
Another one got shutdown:
http://www.kfyrtv.com/showNews.asp?whatStory=3023
Btw, could this be moved to the Front Page..? It's rather important I'd say.
http://www.kfyrtv.com/showNews.asp?whatStory=3023
N.D. Officials Join Nationwide Effort to Crack Down on Designer Drugs
North Dakota officials have joined a nationwide effort to crack down on designer drugs and similar chemicals sold over the Internet.
U-S Attorney Drew Wrigley says companies sell the drugs and related chemicals over the Internet under the guise of "research chemicals."
Wrigley says designer drug sellers try to evade the law by selling newly created analogue drugs which are similar to Ecstasy.
Wrigley says at least one such company has operated out of Minot using ltkresearchproducts.com.
He says that company and others are being investigated.
Ten people have been arrested nationwide recently on charges they sold illegal designer drugs and similar chemicals over the Internet, causing at least two fatal and 14 nonfatal overdoses.
North Dakota officials have joined a nationwide effort to crack down on designer drugs and similar chemicals sold over the Internet.
U-S Attorney Drew Wrigley says companies sell the drugs and related chemicals over the Internet under the guise of "research chemicals."
Wrigley says designer drug sellers try to evade the law by selling newly created analogue drugs which are similar to Ecstasy.
Wrigley says at least one such company has operated out of Minot using ltkresearchproducts.com.
He says that company and others are being investigated.
Ten people have been arrested nationwide recently on charges they sold illegal designer drugs and similar chemicals over the Internet, causing at least two fatal and 14 nonfatal overdoses.
Btw, could this be moved to the Front Page..? It's rather important I'd say.
gloggawogga
Bluelighter
2c-t-21 death
La. man's death leads to drug arrests
By PENNY BROWN ROBERTS
[email protected]
Advocate staff writer
When the little blue glass vials were delivered to his St. Francisville home in March, James Edwards Downs dipped just the tip of his tongue into the powdery white substance inside one of them.
It turned out to be a fatal dose.
The bottles contained an Ecstasy-like designer drug the 22-year-old quadriplegic bought over the Internet.
After swallowing it, Downs developed a 108-degree temperature, had a grand-mal seizure and died at Lane Memorial Hospital in Zachary on March 13 four days after lapsing into a coma, according to a federal criminal complaint.
His death helped launch what became a national federal investigation into Internet Web sites that sell designer drugs under the guise of "research chemicals."
Ten people were arrested across the country Thursday -- including Michael Burton and Keith Russart, the 25-year-old Las Vegas men accused of selling the substance known as 2C-T-21 to Downs via an online company called American Chemical Supply.
Burton, Russart and the others were indicted on federal drug distribution charges. The drugs and other chemicals have been linked to at least two deaths and 14 nonfatal overdoses.
If convicted as charged, Burton and Russart -- who could appear before a Baton Rouge magistrate as early as today -- face up to life in prison because of Downs' death.
Downs' parents, Johnny and Charlotte Downs, declined to comment. Their lawyer, David Shelby of Baton Rouge, said the couple were "still not over the death of James. But they're really excited about the fast progress that was made."
The case is unique because it targets so-called analogue drugs, which produce the same stimulant and hallucinatory effects as Ecstasy or LSD, but have a slightly altered chemical makeup so they are not identified by federal authorities as controlled substances.
Authorities say dealers also try to avoid prosecution by selling the substances as "research chemicals" that are not intended for human consumption. But because they come in powder rather than pill form -- and recommended dosages can vary by as little as a milligram -- authorities say users run a higher risk of overdosing.
"These drugs are newly created and not tested," U.S. Attorney David Dugas said Thursday at a news conference. "Users have no accurate way of controlling the dose or even knowing what an appropriate dose is."
He called the growing number of Web sites selling such substances "a troubling trend. Young people attracted to the lure of designer drugs might think this is legal or safe. But it's neither."
Federal investigators say Downs spent $265 for 1,000 milligrams of 2C-T-21 and 1,000 milligrams of another substance identified as IAP on Burton's Web site, http://www.americanchemicalsupply.com. The site -- which advertised chemicals from Germany and China -- has been seized by the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration.
Downs initially told his mother the blue vials contained an herbal anti-depressant, but told hospital employees he took the chemical to "get high," according to a criminal complaint filed in U.S. District Court in Baton Rouge.
"This wasn't anything anyone had ever seen before," said Sgt. Ray Day of the Zachary Police Department. "He just touched his tongue to the substance and common sense thought, 'That's not that much.' "
According to a criminal complaint, Burton sold 1,533 products from his Web site between April and June, constituting $300,000 in sales. He wired his money to offshore accounts through banks in the West Indies and Lithuania, according to the criminal complaint.
American Chemical Supply also spent more than $10,000 advertising its wares on Google, an Internet search site, according to the criminal complaint.
Records from a credit-card processing company show the buyers did not appear to be associated with any company or research facilities, but instead had e-mail usernames like "raverchic31283," "pondscum007," "consumerhell" and "joepeepingtom."
According to the criminal complaint, Russart told federal investigators he and Burton "discussed the possibility that chemicals they distributed were being consumed by the customers," but that Burton said "as long as they had the disclaimers on the packages, it would keep them legal."
Russart told federal investigators he regularly handled delivery of the chemicals to customers in exchange for free lodging with Burton.
http://www.2theadvocate.com/stories/072304/new_drugs001.shtml
La. man's death leads to drug arrests
By PENNY BROWN ROBERTS
[email protected]
Advocate staff writer
When the little blue glass vials were delivered to his St. Francisville home in March, James Edwards Downs dipped just the tip of his tongue into the powdery white substance inside one of them.
It turned out to be a fatal dose.
The bottles contained an Ecstasy-like designer drug the 22-year-old quadriplegic bought over the Internet.
After swallowing it, Downs developed a 108-degree temperature, had a grand-mal seizure and died at Lane Memorial Hospital in Zachary on March 13 four days after lapsing into a coma, according to a federal criminal complaint.
His death helped launch what became a national federal investigation into Internet Web sites that sell designer drugs under the guise of "research chemicals."
Ten people were arrested across the country Thursday -- including Michael Burton and Keith Russart, the 25-year-old Las Vegas men accused of selling the substance known as 2C-T-21 to Downs via an online company called American Chemical Supply.
Burton, Russart and the others were indicted on federal drug distribution charges. The drugs and other chemicals have been linked to at least two deaths and 14 nonfatal overdoses.
If convicted as charged, Burton and Russart -- who could appear before a Baton Rouge magistrate as early as today -- face up to life in prison because of Downs' death.
Downs' parents, Johnny and Charlotte Downs, declined to comment. Their lawyer, David Shelby of Baton Rouge, said the couple were "still not over the death of James. But they're really excited about the fast progress that was made."
The case is unique because it targets so-called analogue drugs, which produce the same stimulant and hallucinatory effects as Ecstasy or LSD, but have a slightly altered chemical makeup so they are not identified by federal authorities as controlled substances.
Authorities say dealers also try to avoid prosecution by selling the substances as "research chemicals" that are not intended for human consumption. But because they come in powder rather than pill form -- and recommended dosages can vary by as little as a milligram -- authorities say users run a higher risk of overdosing.
"These drugs are newly created and not tested," U.S. Attorney David Dugas said Thursday at a news conference. "Users have no accurate way of controlling the dose or even knowing what an appropriate dose is."
He called the growing number of Web sites selling such substances "a troubling trend. Young people attracted to the lure of designer drugs might think this is legal or safe. But it's neither."
Federal investigators say Downs spent $265 for 1,000 milligrams of 2C-T-21 and 1,000 milligrams of another substance identified as IAP on Burton's Web site, http://www.americanchemicalsupply.com. The site -- which advertised chemicals from Germany and China -- has been seized by the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration.
Downs initially told his mother the blue vials contained an herbal anti-depressant, but told hospital employees he took the chemical to "get high," according to a criminal complaint filed in U.S. District Court in Baton Rouge.
"This wasn't anything anyone had ever seen before," said Sgt. Ray Day of the Zachary Police Department. "He just touched his tongue to the substance and common sense thought, 'That's not that much.' "
According to a criminal complaint, Burton sold 1,533 products from his Web site between April and June, constituting $300,000 in sales. He wired his money to offshore accounts through banks in the West Indies and Lithuania, according to the criminal complaint.
American Chemical Supply also spent more than $10,000 advertising its wares on Google, an Internet search site, according to the criminal complaint.
Records from a credit-card processing company show the buyers did not appear to be associated with any company or research facilities, but instead had e-mail usernames like "raverchic31283," "pondscum007," "consumerhell" and "joepeepingtom."
According to the criminal complaint, Russart told federal investigators he and Burton "discussed the possibility that chemicals they distributed were being consumed by the customers," but that Burton said "as long as they had the disclaimers on the packages, it would keep them legal."
Russart told federal investigators he regularly handled delivery of the chemicals to customers in exchange for free lodging with Burton.
http://www.2theadvocate.com/stories/072304/new_drugs001.shtml
Common sense doesn't really apply to something that noone has ever seen before does it?
well, we've seen it before, but you see what i mean? Fools eyeballing their doses are one of the reasons people (unfortunately) die taking RC's and one of the reasons these sites have been shut down.
8ft-Sativa
Bluelighter
Theres big money in RC buisness , im sure they will find a way to keep going.
tak
Bluelighter
I am quite suprised thier 15 minutes of fame have dragged on for so long. IMO the RC industry is ruining drug use for everyone. Dont get me wrong, I fully support research chemicals, but they are not being researched. These companies are selling CHEMICALS, not drugs. They include a MSDS, but not DOSE INFORMATION. People consuming these are often unaware, and until they can market these things as "Drugs" and not "Research Products" there is something bad bound to happen.
By them creating a new RC every other day to boost sales, they are creating DEA awareness, and problems for us all. Everyone already know how bad the analoug act is, but it will only get worse. The laws are going to start getting broader, and instead of compounds of simular structure, we will be facing jail time for products of simular color, taste, etc. While I wish everyone peace and love, I think stupid people should not by buying drugs on ebay.
Where I come from, we do not buy random research chemicals on the internet from wholesalers. There are other ways of getting them.
By them creating a new RC every other day to boost sales, they are creating DEA awareness, and problems for us all. Everyone already know how bad the analoug act is, but it will only get worse. The laws are going to start getting broader, and instead of compounds of simular structure, we will be facing jail time for products of simular color, taste, etc. While I wish everyone peace and love, I think stupid people should not by buying drugs on ebay.
Where I come from, we do not buy random research chemicals on the internet from wholesalers. There are other ways of getting them.