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The Birth of a Police State: UK Police to be Granted Sweeping New Powers

Maybe ceres but I think that argument might apply better when both sides are equal in power - but not when one side is being persecuted, brutalised and jailed whilst the other is on 37 grand basic and retiring at 50 on two-thirds final salary index linked. I think the side "tasting the sting of the lash" has the right to a little defiance every now and then.
 
well, there is a productive way to bring about change, and then there is shooting people in the kneecaps and gloating about it.

sorry, rollins is a tosser and violence of any kind is never justified no matter who is the perpetrator or the victim.
 
Hi EADD, hope you don't mind me dropping in. Well, you shouldn't as I'm from that country that you sent the convicts to, so I'm just going to join the rest of the horde who appear to be assaulting your borders and post in here once, maybe more.

My point is, a lot of you seem very nonchalant and apathetic about losing any rights that you still have at all. Is this how you generally react to laws which could restrict your personal freedoms?

"First they came..." comes to mind, as well as a lot more but that's the main point.

From the little that I have read here, it appears as though us convicts seem to care more about losing our freedoms than those from the mother country. In one state in particular, associating with a criminal is now an offense.

I visited Britain a year or so ago, and I loved it. I'm not having a go or anything, just curious.

It seems that us convicts value the freedom to speak (and maybe the freedom to leak videos/millions of documents if they are of great interest to the world, but I won't get into that here because I haven't lurked and I'm scared you may lynch me for my thoughts, no matter how many millions of pounds you want to waste on one Australian citizen who's not convicted of a crime and has political asylum).

Before I go, I stayed in Bristol for a while, and I loved the cider there. Scrumpy Jack's wasn't so great, but I found a lovely local beverage from.. I think it was from Somerset? I can't quite remember, but it was great. I found the best part about cider in England was that it was kept in the fridge in your supermarkets, just like our beer. It was great.
 
It is a gross generalisation I think but carries some weight, to say that the british public is on the whole rather passive in many aspects of day to day life aswell as on the bigger issues and politics, so I agree with you there completely. I think it's a travesty how Mr. Assange is being kept prisoner here, and definately creates an air of intimidation towards leakers/whistleblowers.
 
The British are notorious for letting the state & government get away with all sorts of shit that wouldn't go down in other countries. I find it interesting to speculate on why that is.

opi8 said:
Before I go, I stayed in Bristol for a while, and I loved the cider there. Scrumpy Jack's wasn't so great, but I found a lovely local beverage from.. I think it was from Somerset? I can't quite remember, but it was great. I found the best part about cider in England was that it was kept in the fridge in your supermarkets, just like our beer. It was great.
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Thatchers? :)
 
Ceres said:
well, there is a productive way to bring about change, and then there is shooting people in the kneecaps and gloating about it.

sorry, rollins is a tosser and violence of any kind is never justified no matter who is the perpetrator or the victim.
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But the police have committed far more acts of violence than poor Henry Rollins. Surely we who are reviled, brutalised and despised deserve our little moments of imaginary triumph through artistic expression?
 
opi8 said:
Before I go, I stayed in Bristol for a while, and I loved the cider there. Scrumpy Jack's wasn't so great, but I found a lovely local beverage from.. I think it was from Somerset? I can't quite remember, but it was great. I found the best part about cider in England was that it was kept in the fridge in your supermarkets, just like our beer. It was great.
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You may like a local somerset band called "The Wurzels". They do a song called "I am a cider drinker".
 
So much stupidity in this thread :

The spice girls could sing. But they weren't all about the music; they were about self expression, youthful rebellion and, most importantly, GIRL POWER.

They were the most important British band since Nirvana and anyone who denies this is either intimidated by strong women, a misogynist or knows nothing about music
 
East 17 were the most important British band since Johnny Cash.

Fact.
 
If anyone parties on down when the spice girls are shot in the knees they will have me to answer to.
 
gayorstraight said:
No. 5ive were. Der 8)
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Seriously. What the hell is wrong with you?
You clearly have no idea what E17 did for british music.

Cast your mind back. When E17 burst onto the scene nobody was talking politics in UK music anymore. Apart from Paul Weller and Billy Brag, but they had failed to move with the times, post acid house hedonism had changed everything, people refused to feel guilty for having a good time and widespread apathy had set in.
By being so vocal about thier Essex backgrounds E17 were making a fierce political statement.
They enabled white working class males to feel good about themselves again.
They showed us you can have it all ; you can have a bit of cash in your pocket, you can get the girl, you can wear a puffy jacket and still stay true to your roots.

They single handedly reinvented 20th socialism. New Labour could not've happened if E17 didn't pave the way. Tony Blair should've thanked them.
 
Its ok. I forgive you.

You just can't compare off the rack, manufactured, generic boybands like 5 with genuine pioneers like E17 and not expect me to get a bit irate.
 
justinsayno said:
Seriously. What the hell is wrong with you?
You clearly have no idea what E17 did for british music.

Cast your mind back. When E17 burst onto the scene nobody was talking politics in UK music anymore. Apart from Paul Weller and Billy Brag, but they had failed to move with the times, post acid house hedonism had changed everything, people refused to feel guilty for having a good time and widespread apathy had set in.
By being so vocal about thier Essex backgrounds E17 were making a fierce political statement.
They enabled white working class males to feel good about themselves again.
They showed us you can have it all ; you can have a bit of cash in your pocket, you can get the girl, you can wear a puffy jacket and still stay true to your roots.

They single handedly reinvented 20th socialism. New Labour could not've happened if E17 didn't pave the way. Tony Blair should've thanked them.
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Arf =D I just love your 'tongue in cheeky' sarcasm... (or are you being serious? OMG, I just don't KNOW!!!!)
 
pontifex01 said:
We finally agree on something.

I also agree with GoS that 5ive had something going for them. Their replacement of a letter for a number while still creating a word that intuitively made sense, as well as letting you know how many of them there were and thus letting audiences know exactly what they were getting for their money, was beyong avant-garde. It just.... was.
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5ive is an inspired band name. Bravo boys!
 
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