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The Birth of a Police State: UK Police to be Granted Sweeping New Powers

give him a bit of wood to saw up with a hacksaw or something, while he watches ;P I remember doing the same thing aswell as a kid, was more fun installing it in a tree I think than watching it being made.
 
pontifex01 said:
PTCH I genuinely hope Scotland gets independence. Would be nice to see the shitstorm over North Sea Gas & oil if it does happen.
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Aye, if anything it'll be interesting to watch what happens.

Another thing going for independence is that I highly doubt Scotland would have the same delusions of grandeur that the UK has. I think it would, for the most part, know it's place and not try to dictate shit to the rest of the world. Then there would be no need to spend massive amounts of money on overseas wars, or on fighting "terrorists" and there would be no excuse to spend money on GCHQ style spying (something that even American politicians seem to be doing more about than our useless mob).

I don't see many good reasons not to vote for independence tbh. Other than some stupid idea of being British, whatever the fuck that means. Who cares what you're labelled as? Being British, or Scottish, or English makes no fucking difference to anything. Or the misguided view that a vote for independence is a vote for the SNP for ever more.


Edit - I still don't think it'll happen though. They've fucked up the campaign a bit and the SNP are fucking horrendous so they'll put a lot of people off.
 
Actually, there has already been debates going on about how scotland would have to develop it's own intelligence agencies and how being cut off from the existing setup run from england would end up with scotland and england spying on each other.
 
Do you think Scotland is really going to be as para as England with regards to intelligence/spying etc? Do you think they'll feel the need to spy on all of their citizens because it's likely some of them will be planning a terrorist attack? No cunt has even considered a terrorist attack in Scotland since Smeato kicked that guy in the baws.
 
Ceres said:
Actually, there has already been debates going on about how scotland would have to develop it's own intelligence agencies and how being cut off from the existing setup run from england would end up with scotland and england spying on each other.
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watch out for rickety birdboxes appearing all over England.
 
parttime crackhead said:
Do you think Scotland is really going to be as para as England with regards to intelligence/spying etc? Do you think they'll feel the need to spy on all of their citizens because it's likely some of them will be planning a terrorist attack? No cunt has even considered a terrorist attack in Scotland since Smeato kicked that guy in the baws.
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hahaah smeato.

Yeah any nation state needs it's own intelligence apparatus, and I'm sure any new setup wouldn't be wildly different from what exists now in the UK. Depends on how liberal the new government would be, but they certainly wouldn't have the intelligence gathering capabilities of GCHQ and cooperation and information sharing that the UK currently enjoys with other western nations.

The only domestic terrorists scotland has I can think of are the independance extremists who bang on about killing the queen etc, and they would have no purpose anymore if there was independance.
 
Shit, just read about what kind of powers the police would get through this bill - you guys gotta get organized! [NOTE: AVOID TROTSKYIST SECTS]
 
Activists from the Open Rights Group have been talking to a number of ISPs expected to become the first to introduce Cameron’s new system. It turned out that the list of resources blocked by default will include far more than just pornography.

Recently, the British PM chose to commend a similar online blocking system already in place, HomeSafe, which is currently the leader in the field and covers several categories of websites.

The problem is that these categories don’t make clear just how sweeping the changes would be once a user ticks or un-ticks a category, allowing the program to omit a whole host of resources during the initial stages of setting it up.

An interesting aspect about HomeSafe is that the company that created it, TalkTalk, is actually run by Huawei – a Chinese company belonging to a former officer of the Chine People’s Liberation Army. This is something the UK government knows, as was evident from an Intelligence and Security Committee (ISC) report from last month. It said that the “alleged links between Huawei and the Chinese State” are a cause for concern and could “generate suspicion as to whether Huawei’s intentions are strictly commercial or are more political.”

Whether the connection is as direct as the government believes, what is troubling people about TalkTalk is that even when its filter is turned off, its online traffic still passes through Huawei.
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interesting, eh.
 
An Appraisal of the Technologies of Political Control Commissioned by the European Parliament Directorate General of Research.

Abstract: ...

The report contains seven substantive sections which cover respectively:

(i) The role and function of the technology of political control;

(ii) Recent trends and innovations (including the implications of globalisation, militarisation of police equipment, convergence of control systems deployed worldwide and the implications of increasing technology and decision drift);

(iii) Developments in surveillance technology (including the emergence of new forms of local, national and international communications interceptions networks and the creation of human recognition and tracking devices);

(iv) Innovations in crowd control weapons (including the evolution of a 2nd. generation of so called 'less-lethal weapons' from nuclear labs in the USA).

(v) The emergence of prisoner control as a privatised industry, whilst state prisons face increasing pressure to substitute technology for staff in cost cutting exercises and the social and political implications of replacing policies of rehabilitation with strategies of human warehousing.

(v) The use of science and technology to devise new efficient mark-free interrogation and torture technologies and their proliferation from the US & Europe.

(vi) The implications of vertical and horizontal proliferation of this technology and the need for an adequate political response by the EU, to ensure it neither threatens civil liberties in Europe, nor reaches the hands of tyrants.
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balmoral would be seized and become property of the state of scotland, and turned into a shopping center.
 
Henry Rollins said it best when he said "When I hear about a cop getting shot in the knees I party on down".
 
henry rollins is a peabrained tosser, why do people listen to him?

oh, because he was some shitty band.
 
Bit harsh of you ceres, can you give me the name of a band you like so I can get my own back and insult them please?
 
the spice girls.

saying stuff like 'when i hear about a cop getting shot in the knees I party on down' is just ignorant and vile. The police serve an essential function in society, wether you like it or not, they have to enforce the law formed by politicians, and believe it or not there are policemen who are not corrupt/violent/detestable cunts, but actually go about their job in a very reasonable manner and with genuinely good intent, and can be really very pleasant people.

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Ok, the spice girls....CAN'T SING. There, I feel better now. Tho I did quite like 2 become 1.

and believe it or not there are policemen who are not corrupt/violent/detestable cunts

"As individuals they may be anything, but in their insitutional role, they’re monsters, because the institution is monstrous." - Noam Chomsky.

and can be really very pleasant people

Hard to reconcile being pleasant with persecuting people for taking drugs tho.

Rollins may have a big neck but he published a lot of beautiful writers too.
 
institutions evolved out of necessity because as I mentioned in an earlier post, in very large communities and societies the normal mechanims of trust and deterrance that keep small groups of people such as families functioning safely and productively and happily do not scale and become useless above a certain threshold.

ismene said:
As individuals they may be anything, but in their insitutional role, they’re monsters, because the institution is monstrous." - Noam Chomsky.
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then the argument is with the institution, not with the individual policemen.

also anyone 'partying on down' at seeing another human being done serious physical violence is scum.
 
Yet the individual has to choose to be monstrous. It's like the difference between the concentration camp guard and the government that created the concentration camp I suppose. I'm not sure one is any better than the other. The policeman gets to put the boot in directly - perhaps that makes him worse than his master.

also anyone 'partying on down' at seeing another human being done serious physical violence is scum

Yet I've heard no end of policeman speaking of the tremendous satisfaction they got from jailing drug users and how they consider them the "absolute scum of the earth". If they wish that on drug users then whats wrong with partying on down when they get shot in the knees?
 
better to rise above that sort of attitude I think otherwise you lose any moral standing in the overall argument. Plus it just perpetuates the circle of destructive behaviours on both sides.
 
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