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The Big & Dandy Synthetic Cannabinoids Thread

Which synthetic cannabinoid do you like or prefer?

  • JWH-018

    Votes: 89 50.0%

  • JWH-073

    Votes: 30 16.9%

  • JWH-133

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • JWH-200

    Votes: 2 1.1%

  • JWH-250

    Votes: 28 15.7%

  • CP-47,497

    Votes: 3 1.7%

  • CP-55,940

    Votes: 8 4.5%

  • HU-210

    Votes: 5 2.8%

  • HU-211

    Votes: 1 0.6%

  • WIN 55,212-2

    Votes: 7 3.9%

  • AM-2201

    Votes: 5 2.8%
  • Total voters
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I meant any herb you can smoke, not just the Great Good Green one...lol. Often times I will use blue lily, yarrow, heimia salicifolia leaves, or else some dried catnip, sage or basil flowers from my garden. Each one of those alters the effects in its own way...although out of all of them I think the yarrow does so the best.
 
1g of JWH-081 (yes, not a typo, 081 not 018 ) arrived today. I first smoked a tiny amount, that looked like the size of maybe a grain of salt, barely visible - as an allergy test. I smoked that, felt threshold effects, felt similar to a small hit of resin - leaving me feeling it but nowhere near enough. Then about an hour ago I smoked say 6 or 7mg, I came up very fast and very hard, felt like I was rushing on a strong stimulant for the first 5 minutes - probably because that was a lot since I haven't smoked in 6 months, after those first 5 minutes it settled into a strong high. I can't seem to classify it to a Sativa or Indica high, because just when I think it feels like one, it takes on the characteristics of the other. It feels really upbeat and euphoric like a nice Sativa, but I've also got a nice body high and the tiredness of an Indica, so I'm very happy with that, as it seems to be the best of both worlds. I'd say it isn't as strong by weight as the other JWHs, because with no tolerance I'd expect a bit more from 6-7mg, but my experience with -073 was a herbal blend so I can't be sure, and I haven't tried the other JWHs.

Anyway, overall, really enjoying it, glad I bought it, really nice to be high again, just chilling with some reggae and food. One thing I'm a little worried about is the duration, because the first 10 minutes had the most intense euphoria, I'm not sure how long it'll last in total, with weed I have a 1-2 hour peak and then 2-4 hours of a levelled out high after that (Yeah weed lasts particularly long for me), JWH-073 was similar, a little shorter but not a lot. I'll report back on the actual duration of this tomorrow.

Edit: PS, forgot to mention. I didn't use the most efficient smoking technique. I dumped a tiny pile of powder on a bit of rolling paper, put it in my pipe, I then heated it up for a few seconds so some of the JWH could absorb into the paper, then smoked the paper, there wasn't much taste to it, definitely felt like I was smoking a liquid rather than a powder, quite hot on the throat and lungs, but hit me hard and quick.

Edit2: Trip report: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=524259
 
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Here are some experiences with the JWH series after 6 months of testing. Some JWH provided was pure white and some was light tan to brown. Best results achieved from pure white both in reactions and ability to disolve.

Best blend: 1 part JWH-018 + 1 part JWH-073
Good intensity with mellow highlights. Onset 1-5 minutes, peaks at about 15-30 minutes and lasts 45-90 minutes.

Another Good blend: 2 parts JWH-018 + 1 part JWH-073 + 1 part JWH-250
Good intensity with mellow highlights. Onset 5-10 minutes, peaks at about 30-60 minutes and lasts 90-120 minutes.

Best way to administer: Desolve in 95% to 100% pure ethanol alcohol. If you can find the original 95% Everclear, use that. Don't use the new crappy 75% Everclear or it will take up to 150ml to disolve 1 gram. Otherwise find some safe for consumption ethanol alcohol. Use 50ml of ethanol alchohol for each gram of JWH. Should desolve at room temperature. If trouble disolving, use a coffee warmer or other non-flame heat (very important unless you like lots of flames, please do not use a gas burner). Any more heat than approx 250 degrees fahrenhiet will only cause re-crystalization when it cools. Use 10-50 more ml using 10ml at a time to achieve 100% disolve in solution. Now get one of those dandy electronic cigarettes. Find an eye dropper like a Rhoto V red eye drop container and fill. Now gently squeeze 2-4 drops (each drop should contain about 0.05-0.1ml of liquid or 1-2mg of JWH) straight onto the atomizer. Use e-cig like normal. Should provide 3-6 decents hits. Repeat does if needed to achieve desired reaction, seperating each does by 5-10 minutes.

No signs of physical addiction even after 2 weeks off after 3 months straight use for 8-12 hours per day. No appreciable tolorance buildup, but ability to intake more than needed increases with use.



Some have become aware of RCS-4 and RCS-8 which are supposed to provide similair results and JWH-018 and JWH-250. Here are some test results on RCS-4.

Initial impressions is that in pure white crystal form resembles JWH-018 when provided in same form. Residue is not plastic/sticky but powdery. Seems to have a much higher melting and vaporizing temp than the JWH series. I've found JWH-018 seems to melt and vaporize at the lowest temp of all tested. Cannot seem to get it to vaporize in an e-cig. Trouble vaporizing even when using lightbulb + lighter. Tried disolving 1 gram into 100ml of ethanol alcohol and had to warm mixter up to 250 deg f. After cooling, crystals formed and settled to bottom on container. Tried up to 25mg oral and reaction compares to 0.5mg of JWH-073 taken orally. Tried up to 10mg in lightbulb with same results.

Does not seem to be the replacement for JWH-018 that is being claimed by those providing it. I would stick with 018 and or 073 while they are available.
 
What's the consensus on JWH-250? I just ordered some, should be here in a few days. I'm only familiar with -018. I've heard -250 is less potent and less longer lasting, though provides less anxiety and a more "energetic buzz". Can anyone comment? I've scanned this thread though have found very little about anything. I'll definitely post my experiences once my order arrives.
 
So I guess if you injest cannabinoids there is no risk of cancer? It seems the naphtalene moiety present in JWH-018 has been shown to not break down into carcinogenic metabolites, but are there still any risks from smoking cannabinoids that are not an issue when injesting them, besides lung irritation?

Heating chemicals can break the chmical down into potentially dangerous metabolites, but injesting chemicals breaks them down into potentially dangerous metabolites as well. I'm not that up to speed with chemistry, so I'm just wondering if the risks of cannabinoids are circumvented by injesting them.
 
im getting a few samples in what are good dosages for
jwh-122, 210, and 019?

heard there the new jwh's and that 018,073 due to illegality is being phased out
 
FPU4eva said:
im getting a few samples in what are good dosages for
jwh-122, 210, and 019?

heard there the new jwh's and that 018,073 due to illegality is being phased out
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I would start with 0.5-1.0 mg and wait 30 minutes then if no results, double the dose and wait another 30 minutes and repeat doubling every 30 minutes till desired results are found then use that amout as your normal dose. use caution and patience.

I just got 4g of 018 and 4g of 073 today *snip* I've gotta say the quality is going down hill. I always test every new batch the same way to make sure I'm getting what i was told i was getting. first few times ordering i was getting white, sparkly no smell product. now im getting light tan, mothball smellin stuff. they must be using napthalene or some other smelly solvent to cut it with to increase profits. i think i've found a good way to remove the crap from this supposed 99.9% pure product. i disolve like I normally do in 95% ethanol alchohol then i filter for solid particles that are not jwh then evaporate the alchohol causing the jwh to fall out of the solution(looks like snow flakes) leaving a more pure, lighter colored product. the water in the alchohol that is bonded to some of the alchohol molecules will not evaporate at normal room tempuratures and requires filtering to remove the dry crystals from liquid leftover. i've been using 400 thread count cotton sheet material for the final filtering. it seems most of the leftover solvent evaporates with the alchohol. some of the smelly solvent condenses on the lip of the jar i evaporate in and is dark brown and gelly. i think you lose a little of the good stuff, but i'd estimate that my last batch had 20% gunk in it and i ended up with 75% leftover so i would say about 5% stays in the water/alchohol solution that is leftover.

Found some info on cleaning JWH from another member.
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=486774
 
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jwh-250 has most of the same qualities of weed. The munchies are more mild and the red eye is more moderate. It can be relaxing or energetic, depending on what mood you're in. It definitely has a stimulating aspect to it though. I suspect it increases heart rate above what normal mid-grade weed would be able to increase it. Visual distortions and things looking disproportionate happen to me at about 2-3x the threshold dose, and acute OD happens to me around 5-6x threshold dose. The OD symptoms for me and a friend of mine were passing out, being unresponsive to others, lapses in awareness, unconsciousness, intense spacing-out, vomiting, severe and uncomfortable trips with both CEV and open eye distortions, overwhelming sensitivity to sound. My friend said has never had a seizure, but felt like he was about to after taking a very large dose intended to be passed around to 3 people for a nice, strong high.

This is still a very fun compound, but like other jwh's, it should not be fooled around with. It had a slightly minty taste that tastes good at first but after a few hits starts to become unpleasant.
 
ah shit! how long does oral jwh-018 (dissolved in oil) take to come up?
3 hours ago I dosed 2mg and didn't feel much, so I dosed another 3mg 90min ago. now I begin to feel stoned as fuck and wonder if it's only the first dose kicking in...

I don't have much of a tolerance for 018 but smoked too much before so I have mixed feelings regarding the next hours... 8)
 
Re: AM-694 (and yes, I know there are theoretical reasons to think it may be toxic):

I've been titrating upwards from well submilligram amounts (can't specify precisely, but my first attempt was roughly a quarter of a milligram) over several separate occasions (initially weeks apart, but only a few days between the last couple of occasions, when effects started to be noticed).

2 mg smoked over c. 60 minutes produced no appreciable effects. A (Shulgin Scale) +/-; any effects noted probably placebo/nocebo.

6 mg smoked over two hours produced a mild, calm stoned feeling (hard to be more detailed, because it was fairly subtle). A +.

8 mg smoked over about 40 minutes produced a (if you'll forgive the apparent oxymoron) rather strong and rather subtle effect: Some of that glowing-warmth-in-chest that I've found only cannabis (out of cannabis, JWH-018 and JWH-073) has given me before; some mild lightheadedness, warmheadedness, tinglyheadedness; some slight bewilderment, moderately euthymic, not euphoric. A ++, I think, although I'll have to try this again to confirm that the subjective effects I've noted this time will replicate.

As always, your mileage may vary. Given reported massively high in vitro affinity for CB receptors, one should be v cautious with dosage, despite some people (myself included, now) reporting high (relative to predicted potency) dosages. And given theoretical concerns about potential cumulative toxicity, one should probably avoid this chemical entirely. But I didn't, so the above is my brief report of its subjective effects on me.

ETA: I have a fairly high life-time long-term tolerance of cannabinoids; my CB receptors don't seem (subjectively) to be able to respond as well as they once did. But my short-term tolerance is relatively low for most of these tests I've been doing on AM-694, not least because the temptation to try it has mainly occurred when other cannabinoids have not been to hand.
 
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Anyone notice any laxative effects with these substances? A tiny, right-around-threshold smoked dose of jwh-018 works great for me when I am plugged. Works instantly and mildly. Like everything from my topmost bowels all the way to the sphincter loosens up nicely.

Also works great for my manic-depression (though not so much the manic part -- too much 018 is indeed like crack). Pot works best, but is expensive and I'm old and no one trusts me anymore. Once the legislators and the irresponsible abusers fuck this up, it's back to vodka and television for me.
 
The other day I smoked 20 mg AM-694 over about 25 minutes (or whatever the substance that I have is, that is supposedly AM-694 - I am now informed that some supposed AM-694 does not hold up to the scrutiny of chemical analysis, and is thus in fact some other unknown chemical), the largest dose I'd had yet. Five minutes after completing it, I had elevated heartbeat and some anxiety predicated on that elevated heartbeat, as well as some confusion and excess salivation; a further five minutes and this settled in to a euthymic stimulation - the sort of moderate and lively stonedness suited for happily getting on with menial tasks - and this appeared to last a couple of hours maybe. Aside from the brief come-up phase, this was a fairly moderate, subtle and pleasant experience.

Note: This might not be AM-694, since apparently chemicals have been missold as AM-694. So don't assume my dosage experience is valid: theoretical considerations suggest AM-694 might be very much more potent (as well as potentially toxic) than my experiences would suggest.
 
With continued use of AM-694 (or whatever it is that I've been missold as AM-694, if it isn't AM-694) at c. 15 mg smoked doses, I'm finding it primarily to produce lightly sedating, mildly euthymic, anxiety-removing, laughter-facilitating effects (and excess salivation, every time) for an hour or two after use. I'm slightly suspicious that it's also producing anxiety-increasing, mood-flattening rebound aftereffects when not in use, but that may just be a coincidence due to actual life-situation producing this mental state regardless.
 
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