The Big & Dandy Synthetic Cannabinoids Thread

[psilocybonaut]

I vaporize mine when I use it as well.

It may not need to be kept THAT cold, but I know that it does need to be kept in a freezer if you want to avoid degradation. It degrades relatively fast at room temp, I believe.

Even if it didn't need to be kept cold, keeping your chemicals in the freezer is always best anyway.

 

[Dondante]

Xorky and I got to sample a compound with the codename, JWH-081. Thank you Huffman et al.! I'd have to say it was easily my favorite cannabinoid, more euphoric and clean high than THC and cousins IMO. A good dose is 0.5 - 1 mg. And it is much more stable than CP-55,940. I'd like to see it more widely available, but I think that's unlikely.

WIN-55,212-2 was mild, but also very pleasant.

Edit: Or perhaps it was JWH-018 ... I may never know.

 

[T8thi3stHaq3rT]

Xorky and I got to sample a compound with the codename, JWH-081. Thank you Huffman et al.! I'd have to say it was easily my favorite cannabinoid, more euphoric and clean high than THC and cousins IMO. A good dose is 0.5 - 1 mg. And it is much more stable than CP-55,940. I'd like to see it more widely available, but I think that's unlikely.

WIN-55,212-2 was mild, but also very pleasant.

Edit: Or perhaps it was JWH-018 ... I may never know.

Please do try to find out!

Such a tease

I gotta tell my friend what to get a custom synth for, but I guess WIN-55,212-2 is for sure at least, hows the stability compared to CP 55,940?

 

[MattPsy]

It would have been -018.
Please RC companies, don't produce this, as morons will get it banned.

WIN 55,212-2 isn't very stable, it's best kept refrigerated. Even so, it's more stable than the CP- compound.

 

[Xorkoth]

Xorky and I got to sample a compound with the codename, JWH-081. Thank you Huffman et al.! I'd have to say it was easily my favorite cannabinoid, more euphoric and clean high than THC and cousins IMO. A good dose is 0.5 - 1 mg. And it is much more stable than CP-55,940. I'd like to see it more widely available, but I think that's unlikely.

WIN-55,212-2 was mild, but also very pleasant.

Edit: Or perhaps it was JWH-018 ... I may never know.

Yep, it was good. It was difficult to vaporize properly. I enjoyed it more than marijuana as well, but haven't tried any of the other synthetic cannabinoids. It was less powerful than marijuana but there was no anxiety whatsoever and it felt nice and light and clean.

 

[T8thi3stHaq3rT]

Ok so if I'm reading this correct JWH-018 sounds to be the winner being stronger and more stable than CP 55,940.

Please know my friend doesn't plan on selling this compound its just that he has drug testing and would like something he could keep stashed away not having to worry about it degrading like with the CP 55,940.

On that note should JWH-018 be stored in a colder environment or is it stable enough no to worry about it?

Also this makes me wonder about the other JWH compounds such as 81 and 133, much research to do

 

[It's a baby!]

Pot is not a 5-HT2 agonist, just as ketamine and S. divinorum are not. But all of them are defintely mind expanding substances. To deny that pot is a mind-expanding substance is to ignore the everything about its history and why it is such an important plant. Those that smoke pot every day may not experience intense mind-expanding effects because you are habituated to it...using pot in ever setting and that becomes your normal state, not a novel one.

Why does a psychedelic have to be a 5-HT2 agonist? I can think of plenty of mind-expanding substances which aren't, and 5-HT2 agonism may very well have nothing to do with the psychedelic effect:

BOL-148. 2-Bromo-N,N-diethyllysergamide. This synthetic ergot derivative, along with its 1-methyl homologue MBL-61 (mentioned below) should be used as powerful tools for studying the mechanism of action of LSD in the human animal. It does not have LSD-like effects in man. At 6 to 10 milligrams orally, there are some mental changes noted. But in another study, 20 milligrams was administered a day to a subject for 7 days, and there were no reported effects. And yet it is as potent a serotonin agonist as is LSD. How can serotonin be argued as a neurotransmitter that is a major player in explaining the action of psychedelic drugs, when this compound is nearly without activity?" - TiHKAL

In my experience psychedelic doses of marijuana do have some similarities to a more traditional psychedelic, especially mushrooms. I can't really describe exactly what I mean, but there are some deep-running things that connect the two mindstates.

Bingo, and bingo. I took up a very early interest in psychedelics (age 13), especially after discovering the Beatles and reading of how profoundly LSD affected them (and the world.) I had no interest in cannabis, thinking it just make you laugh and act fucked up.

Holy shit man that sounds exactly like me minus the Beatles part haha =)

 

[Wayne Gale]

I love it everytime I read a post of some one claiming weed isn't psychedelic. The second sentence is nearly always "I smoke everyday". Of course it's not going to be psychedelic, If I took acid everyday it would no longer have a psychedelic effect on me. To get psychedelic effects from weed you have to use it occasionly, in large ammounts, other wise it just becomes a relaxing herb, which is pretty much what I use it for.

 

[fizzacyst]

Ok so if I'm reading this correct JWH-018 sounds to be the winner being stronger and more stable than CP 55,940.

Please know my friend doesn't plan on selling this compound its just that he has drug testing and would like something he could keep stashed away not having to worry about it degrading like with the CP 55,940.

On that note should JWH-018 be stored in a colder environment or is it stable enough no to worry about it?

Also this makes me wonder about the other JWH compounds such as 81 and 133, much research to do

Just FYI, you could have gotten all the info you needed without mentioning that you or "your friend" were intending to contract out manufacture of a drug that very obviously has actions similar to THC.

These things float around, come and go, are given away, stolen, sold, etc. It doesn't matter how or why you'd come into possession of such a thing. Why even mention that you are trying to have something like that manufactured?

To look "cool" or like you have "mad connections"?
or
To make an attempt at painting a blacklight-responsive bull's eye on your ass?

I see no reason to mention any of that stuff here.

 

[mecaib]

Just thought I'd throw in my 2¢. I can attest to the fact that cannabis produces a psychedelic mindstate. Rainbows seemed to be the most common visual for me, accompanied by an "out there" way of thinking which would often lead me to some discovery (ie. I learned how to linearly interpolate pixels in a zoomed image this way... programming stuff). I have also had certain revelations about the nature of the universe, with only cannabis as my vehicle.

All you need to do is take some weed, grind it, mix it with butter and sugar, pop it in the microwave and let it boil for 1-3 seconds. Stir it, let it boil again for 1-3 secs., remove and cool. If it is not dark green, you didn't use enough weed. You can use even shitty weed for this. I've used shade leaves and still tripped. The whole idea is to take in as much material as you can before your brain starts the tolerance-building process.

(for legal purposes, I cannot and do not ingest cannabis in any form at this time)

 

[nanobrain]

and i can attest that a certain CB agonist compound tentatively named HC-1 aka 'dill' aka 'mint' ;-) will take your mind off your mind for some time, to be sure.

tip of the hat to you know who. and donna smoka da whole stash, capiche?

 

[foundationx4]

Imagine if you took LSD or mushrooms on a semi-daily basis for years,

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holy shit, i would be schizo.

 

[Whatsamatau]

So far from the same vendor I've gotten brown stuff the consistency of compressed brown sugar, amber powder with tiny lighter yellow rocks, and now off white electostatic fluffy powder. My first impression was wow looks like they got some nice clean product now. Well, the new off white stuff does not seem quite as potent and the high does not seem to last as long. Also, at least one other person noted, I seem to be coughing up more lung crud. (Maybe -073 vice 018?)

I wish this guy could be more consistent. I personally, found the amber powder to be the bomb. Without getting into vendors which is not allowed, have any of you run across the inconsistency of the batches going around?

 

[Delta-9-THC]

I smoked some of the white batch and found it to be good but have never tried any other batches so I cannot compare. Im pretty sure this is from a different vendor though. They just started stocking it recently.

Looking forward to trying the -073 though.

 

[Shambles]

I suspect the white batch would be 073 as it's usually whiteish, is much milder and also is shorter-acting and have heard that certain vendors are selling 073 as 018. Never seen white 018, mine is yellow powdery stuff. I believe the dark brown batch was a dirty, badly-synthed one.

 

[egor]

My jwh-073 is a nice fluffy white powder and jwh-018 is a light yellow slightly sticky powder. I cant believe that people even smoked the brown rocky shit. I far prefer the JWH-073...

 

[Whatsamatau]

Well i'm not sure what I got but I did a little experiment yesterday. Since this stuff is so fluffy, I wanted to see what a heeping eyeball dose weighed using my little spoon. I was surprised but it measured out at 13 mgs. So what does smarty pants do. Of course I smoked it up in one do. Well, that turned out to be a fairly psychedelic experience. I had to lay me down on the bed an do some breathing exercises. Whew! Kind of like the first twenty minutes of getting off on acid or 2ce. It took about a half hour just to be back to just being stoned.

Don't do what I did.8)

 

[Shambles]

13mg would be a hefty ol' dose of 073, but nothing too excessive comparatively - is much more forgiving than 018. I can't even imagine smoking a 13mg dose of 018 but it would be waaay beyond psychedelic and deeply unpleasant, I'm sure. 3mg of 018 has me half-comatose

Also, 073 is a very fine, fluffy, whitish powder that sticks to everything - quite fiddly to work with compared to 018 which tends to be less sticky and more granular (although crushes to a fine powder), in my experience.

 

[Whatsamatau]

I'm really not trying to bump my own thread..

I agree, even though I had that experience, if this had been the last stuff I had I would not have been so flippant and went on with my "oh what the fuck do it all up" nonsense.

Yea, I strongly suspect that this is indeed -073 vice -018. I will have to send a WTF email to my man.

 

[GanjaBabe]

i agree close this thread and get JWH of the damn radar for as long as possible

but for all those who think blending it is a bad idea it works very very well