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The Big & Dandy Salvia Thread - Second iteration

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im not sure, but ime salvinorin a has a very high vaporization point which is y it requires a torch lighter for best results...might as well just give it a try and then we'll know for sure
 
Its possible, but might not be with a lightbulb, if you heat a lightbulb too much it will crack, your best bet is to use one of those high tech vapes with temperature adjustment, and then it would work. If you had a strong lightbulb and a torch lighter and applied directly I think it would work but I dunno it may crack.
 
Well, the whole notion of needing extra heat to burn salvinorin is incorrect. A normal BIC lighter will generate easily enough heat tocombust salvia- hell, so would matches. It has a similar burning poin to paper- which is low. The torch lighter notion os simply a means for headshops to get you to buy a torch lighter, as well as explain (inorrectly) to people why their salvia didn't work. Most likely it didn't work becuase not enough was used, or it wasn't inhaled correctly and for long enough.

A light bulb vaporisier will work- don't get too excited of course, or it will crack. Honestly, the best method for smoking salvia is the bucket/gravity bong. I haven't seen many people unable to take massive breakthrough hits from one of them. Or just a normal bong- works for me. :)
 
swilow said:
Well, the whole notion of needing extra heat to burn salvinorin is incorrect. A normal BIC lighter will generate easily enough heat tocombust salvia- hell, so would matches. It has a similar burning poin to paper- which is low. The torch lighter notion os simply a means for headshops to get you to buy a torch lighter, as well as explain (inorrectly) to people why their salvia didn't work. Most likely it didn't work becuase not enough was used, or it wasn't inhaled correctly and for long enough.

A light bulb vaporisier will work- don't get too excited of course, or it will crack. Honestly, the best method for smoking salvia is the bucket/gravity bong. I haven't seen many people unable to take massive breakthrough hits from one of them. Or just a normal bong- works for me. :)
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thanks man, im gonna give it a shot in a few days - cant wait =D
 
^Enjoy :) Salvia is unparaalled in psycedelic intensity.....I will merge this in with the salvia thread by that way.

How are you gonna smoke it?
 
swilow said:
^Enjoy :) Salvia is unparaalled in psycedelic intensity.....I will merge this in with the salvia thread by that way.

How are you gonna smoke it?
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i really want to try it out of a vaporizer

i read this online

"
Q. Is vaporization strong?
A. Of course it depends on the dose, but it can be unbelievably strong! Dangerously so!. Since very little smoke is produced with this technique, it is possible to inhale a very large dose with very little effort. At large doses, one may temporarily loose all awareness of who one is, where one is or what one is doing. Falls, fires, injuries etc. can easily occur. If you will be vaporizing it is ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL that a sitter be present to protect you from injury. Vaporization can easily take you all the way to level 6 and you can pass out. It can take you to the point of general anesthesia. Instead of being able to linger at the interesting moderate trip levels of 3 and 4, you are blasted into a maximum intensity trip for which you will have little subsequent memory, and then it's all over. If you want to get completely smashed instantly vaporization will achieve that.."
 
^Of course, the intensity there is referring to use of salvinorin A, judging by the allusion to very little smoke. If you DO have pure salvinorin A (congratualtions for starters :)) be very very very careful. This shit is no joke- I have been blasted off salvia leaf if that helps at all. It is known as the worlds most potent psychedelic for a reason. In fact, I think it has an important place in human evolution as we know no it; like all the salvia smokers will be saved, and the rest will be judged as unworthy. :D ;)
 
haha thanks man, well i'm gonna try my vaporizer and a bong

see which one i like more

i cant do salvia with pipes - i cough after like two seconds....idk....am i just breathing in too hard?
 
Cornishman said:
Ah yes, I understand now.
A friend of mine became a spoke in a bicycle wheel before.
I guess everyones salvia space is different. :D
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It's not THAT different.. in fact it's fairly recurrent. I had that same trip too, more than once. Me being part of some circular thing, which slowly rotates.
 
^I wonder what the basis of the circular thing is- I know my salvia goddess has actually BEEN the circle spinning (yes, it was my sub-woofer but oh well....). To me it feels more like being on a spiral or corkscrew kinda thingy though..
 
IMO i think salvia is the biggest waste of money... all it does is make you completely useless for 5 minutes.. it isnt insightful, it isnt "trippy".. its just sitting there drooling while mumbling to your self.. but everyone to there own
 
los tipitos de la salvia

swilow said:
^I wonder what the basis of the circular thing is- I know my salvia goddess has actually BEEN the circle spinning (yes, it was my sub-woofer but oh well....). To me it feels more like being on a spiral or corkscrew kinda thingy though..
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Other theme in salvia-land is a strange material, which is a mix of meat and plastic... hard to describe.. guess something like the gamepods of eXistenZ. Everything looks like its made of it.
Then you have what i call "los tipitos de la salvia" (the little guys from the salvia). They can be playmobils, legos, arlequins, little faerie things.. but they usually have my face or something related to me.. and we all hold hands and do some sort of chain-reaction-thing: ONe says to the next "hello!" and this one says the same thing to the next, and so on.. until the little guy next to me says "hello!", so I say the same thing to the next guy.. and the trip is over.
Then you have what I call the psiquedelic paperboy, similar to the tipitos theme, but this time they look like sperm, going at incredible speeds but on a one dimensional world. Yes. A world made of a line. Then it reaches another spermatozoid, that looks similar, but more "advanced", "evolved"... so he passes some information and the story follows this new sperm-paperboy. Not only he has evolved, the one-dimensional world has too.
Hope any of this makes sense.
 
I may be in the minority here, but Salvia has been very good to me. After a 5x breakthrough in 1998 (very intense meeting Lady S and her smaller playful constiguents) all it takes now is one large puff of plain leaf to reach that land. I always thank the experience as I exit the trance and the afterglow lasts a few days. The afterglow is (for me) antidepressive and rearranges my thoughts and actions in a very "practical" way. Words are hard to describe this one but the familiar/bizzare place I achieve each time gets easier to navigate the more I visit. Although visiting is only a few times a year but since 1999 some 50 visits have been logged.

I love it. Thank you. I've always felt Salvia is where a drug meets science fiction. Much to strange to call a drug "high". My respect level is high.

Additionally total dark and total quiet is the only way I go. Sometimes earplugs as any small noise can quickly snap me out of the trance.
 
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Ok. I just got a few grams of extract and I have been experimenting.

I had experience with using salvia a few years ago, but hadn't messed with it until recently.

My first trip recently was utterly mind-blowing
Same with the second
but over time, it's as if I am beginning to control the salvia experience. It's like if I hold completely still, I feel 100% sober. However upon moving around it's a lot like an acid trip where things just don't look right, but they're still what they are. If I'm holding still, I can close my eyes and sort of "direct" some hallucinations in the back of my mind. It's like I can think of something and it comes alive.

Now, I remember being completely torn apart and speechless every time using salvia. Now, it's just like something that's going on around me that I'm not a part of unless I try to be a part of it.

Could I just not be smoking enough? I still remember even the smaller doses would submerge me in a tub of fucked up. But now I have to immerse myself?

I feel like I'm smoking decent amounts. I guess I'll just have to try smoking more at once... Has anyone else experienced this??
 
orange :) (my favorite color :) )
I experimented heavily with salvia before using other psychedelics... i find that if properly smoked and if you get the dose right (this is an art depending on extract potency, though I had some "5x" that blew the "20x" out of the water) the experience should completely take you away from reality and transport you into another world...

salvia is not like DMT in that I NEVER could expect where it would take me too... salvia hallucination experiences were more like being shoved into a speeding train and let off at whatever the next stop was, be it the middle of a beautiful lake in a paddle boat (srsly) or waiting for a bus at some psychedelic bus stop (srsly too).

I find that at doses where I could control the trip... aka stay in touch with reality, that the dose was just not high enough.

Orange have you ever smoked DMT?
 
I have not. I look forward to the day I do.

The stuff I have is 15x; the stuff I used to have was 20. Maybe I'm just not smoking enough... although I was having more-intense trips off of less than I used a few days ago...

I'll be sure to pack a giant rip and see if that gets me back to pushing strollers on a rainbow through a psychedelic tunnel
 
My last salvia experience was bizarre enough to warrant mentioning, and I wonder if anyone here has had the same experience. It's also connected to my first time breaking through, so I'll explain that one first. The first one's a bit long and the second is short, so bear with me. :)

FIRST BREAKTHROUGH:

For my first break-through, I'd taken a huge hit of the stuff and was just sitting on my girlfriend's roommate's bed before falling backward into oblivion -- I literally blacked out, and when I "awoke" (imagine a slow fade-in from black), I was staring into a two-dimensional scene composed of an immensely large circle, everything in hues of orange.

The circle framed some kind of landscape, but the most interesting part was the edge of the circle, as there was a procession of small orange triangles sliding down the edge of the circle from the top of my vision and growing as they slid out of view on the other side. I got the impression that each triangle was the ancestor of the triangle behind it, like a father and son, and the triangles were passing some kind of "legend" down to each other throughout their lives (which consisted entirely of sliding along the circle -- weird, I know). The "legends" were like small individual stories, and I got the impression that there was some majestic importance if you listened to the legends put together. At this point, I had no awareness of myself; I *was* the scene, because I could not separate myself as an observer from what I was observing.

Then things got weirder. I slowly became aware of myself again, to the point where I got a really weird suspicion that the "legends" that were being passed down were actually just parts of what I was hearing and trying to say -- as I listened closer, each triangle was actually passing on a brief snippet of my girlfriend's constant questioning if I was alright. For instance, if she said "Are you ok?", the triangles would be passing "Ar-", "e", "y-", "ou", etc.

This was a huge realization at the time: I realized that everything I was seeing, all of that majesty, was simply pieces of what I was hearing and saying -- totally mundane sensations. The entire universe, both salvia-land and reality, became some kind of joke, because it was based in totally subjective physical experience. I had the sensation of slowly returning to "myself", with whom I still felt uneasy, because I'd had the experience of not being that self. My girlfriend tells me I said something to the effect of "I feel bad for him. When he gets back, he's going to be so embarrassed to be himself again." or something weird like that. After that, it was smooth sailing all the way back, with some minor tingling and images of vines growing out of a cellar when I closed my eyelids (which could've been the veins on the inside of my eyelid). I also realized that the "orange-ness" of the trip was due to me staring at an orange christmas light on a strand hung around the room.

SECOND "BREAKTHROUGH":

It'd been about a year since my previous experience, and I decided to try it again with a bunch of people who'd never done it before. It was already pretty late at night when we started, and by the time it got to me it was around 3am or so. The owner of the room was getting visibly nervous about getting caught what with all the laughing, so I was also apprehensive about making a lot of noise.

I hit it, held it, and had that distinct sensation of "this is way too familiar" as I started to fall back. I was going to just run with the trip, but something told me that if I did I'd end up making a lot of noise and something bad would happen because of that. Halfway through falling over, I got back up and started to trip vividly while trying to explain to everyone in the room what was happening.

It was very similar to how it was before (orangeness, circle, triangles), except that the triangles had now become teeth on a "zipper" that extended across my vision, once again a two-dimensional view, but this time I could still see the room like a photograph with the zipper lying across it. The room was literally divided by the zipper, and I was fighting as hard as I could to keep the zipper from opening (which would mean I'd be dropped into the trip and lose control). I was frantically trying to tell the frozen figures in the photograph of the room (whom I believed to be no longer human) that there was a zipper running across the room, and that reality was just these layers and layers of paper held together at the seams by intelligent "teeth" that, if given the chance, would simply separate and leave you in an oblivion of nothing (the orange void behind it that I could literally see at that moment).

As I sat there waving my arms frantically, I started to trip less and less, and began to realize that my friends probably though I was psychotic, which I guess I was at the time...I finally got to the point in my "re-personalization" that I accepted that, even though normal reality didn't feel right, I'd eventually feel more and more resigned to it. It kind of sucked to come back to a world where everyone thought you were some kind of psychedelic lightweight, though in retrospect, no one there actually thought this -- paranoia at that point was pretty severe.

So, my question: have any of you had "standing" trips on salvia, where you're tripping, but still articulating to people around you? Or is it always kind of a knock-out experience if you're having a heavy trip?
 
We have noted the recurring themes in Salvia trips.

-TV game shows
-work (important, often to do with maintaining the universe/flow of time)
-being shit at what you're supposed to be doing
-Time (or blocks/units of time)
-epic relevance, as if it is the perfect explanation for all that is now,
all that is done,
all that's to come,
and everything under the Sun is in tune,
but you just can't comprehend it, and it is beautiful, but sad.
but there is still something wonderful about the complexity and extravagance and epic symbolism and meaning, being just too good for me to understand.
-5 minutes feels like 5,000,000,000 years. (or like 5,000,000,000 years compressed into 5 minutes, which is probably why one cannot do anything IRL except breathe and drool)
 
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RGB said:
So, my question: have any of you had "standing" trips on salvia, where you're tripping, but still articulating to people around you? Or is it always kind of a knock-out experience if you're having a heavy trip?
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first time i did it, i was 15 i think, i don't think i had any drugs before salvia, besides alcohol (and fucking caffeine)


I bought the normal leaf, and made a 'cigar' from it.
It was awful to smoke, esp since id never smoked before,
but after id smoked about a quarter of it (i was walking around streets) and thought,
"hmmm not so bad".
i looked down at my shoes for a SECOND, and when i looked up i was about 200yd away from where i felt i was.
I sat on top of a green box and watched traffic going round a roundabout.




A few times, me and some friends would go smoke salvia in the park or in the local cemetery (the ancient kind) (sounds bad but its ok place).
Noone particularly liked it in that situation,
if you can't just zone out and "enjoy" it,
you just end up feeling HORRIBLY uncomfortable, sweaty, retarded and ....just bad.

Lady Salvia does not approve, and punishes you by simultaneously:
1. creating within you the sudden and extreme urge to explain to everyone what's happening to you and how you feel, and why you feel/lookin so sketchy.
2. preventing speech, to an absolute degree for about 10mins, then slowly (to your infinite frustration) restores the power of speech,

so you invariably end up talking like one of those "people" with fucked up genetics that ruined their brains,
about how you were so intimidated by all the other minions of the Universe, because they were so much better at counting the bricks of time or something.
 
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