The Big & Dandy Salvia Thread - Second iteration

[Xorkoth]

Every fricken time I've gotten near that 10X salvia stuff it has ended up being a horrible nightmareish experience.

Instant level 5 for 10 minutes.

Dark ominous clouds closing in with massive loss of control of every body part and helpless lonely feelings of falling uncontrollably.

Talk about torture..Yikes

Maybe I have some kind of allergy to it. Anyone trying this stuff without a sitter is just asking for it.

Just gave away $75 worth.

No allergy... salvia is some terrifying stuff for most people. It's not something to use recreationally... it's more of an exploratory tool of possibly the most extreme state of altered consciousness possible.

 

[NeuroDaemon]

No allergy... salvia is some terrifying stuff for most people. It's not something to use recreationally... it's more of an exploratory tool of possibly the most extreme state of altered consciousness possible.

Agreed, it seems so to me now.

At the end of my experience, I summed it up to my friends by saying "this .. this .. " (pointing to the bong) "it is not an hallucinogen ! It is a destructogen !"

But still, I want to master my fear, so I will try again

Neuro

 

[traxxas125]

Salvias negatives overshadow the positives?

Hey, recently i got some pretty good salvia but ive noticed after smoking it, I get a really bad taste in my mouth and my body starts to heat up, I feel like my entire body is being pulled away from me (to the point I had to hold onto the bed I was lying in) I dont see what is enlightening about this drug, any input on this?

 

[Riconoen]

I have to agree, My first anbd only experience was absolutely insane CEV's, thinking I was an inaminte object for ten minutes and nothing more. Maybe you have to take higher doses? but it's just too intense for my liking.

 

[Changed]

I've done Salvia a number of times, and I actually enjoy it. Every time I've smoked it I've reached total ego death, everything turns to pure energy, and I've communicated with the Goddess, or seen the Devil peeling away the layers of this universe.

With this in mind, I don't think Salvia has more to offer than a simple mind-fuck and a brief escape from reality. I haven't learned shit from Salvia, other than hold on and try to enjoy the ride! :D

 

[Ataraxis5]

It's very hard to jump into salvia and enjoy it.

However, if you go into it with a reason for using it, that focus will lead to greater success.

For example if you were to decide that your ego is tempering your sensations, you could use salvia to reach ego death and see whatever it has to offer you.

Or if you have an interest in extra-dimensional experience, I've found it very interesting in exploring possibilities for a 5th dimension. Tangental realities and the like. It's not very pleasant imo, but very interesting.

 

[EntheoDjinn]

I've done Salvia a number of times, and I actually enjoy it. Every time I've smoked it I've reached total ego death, everything turns to pure energy, and I've communicated with the Goddess, or seen the Devil peeling away the layers of this universe.

With this in mind, I don't think Salvia has more to offer than a simple mind-fuck and a brief escape from reality. I haven't learned shit from Salvia, other than hold on and try to enjoy the ride! :D

It's a pretty good substance for showing a person what they're scared of .

And isn't ego-death a fairly evolved personal state to experience?

 

[Changed]

And isn't ego-death a fairly evolved personal state to experience?

I guess I've done it enough times that it isn't totally spectacular. Once you've broken through once with Salvia, I'd say the experience of ego-death isn't going to change much.



Comparing Salvia to shrooms (haven't done acid yet), mushrooms give you "clear" insights and the ability to connect with other humans on a deeper level than when sober. Mushrooms leave you (typically) feeling euphoric, refreshed, ready to face a new, brighter, more positive world. Salvia, on the other hand, leaves you wondering what just happened, and whether you'll ever return to normal again!

 

[StagnantReaction]

I'm still not sure how I feel about this substance, but I don't really see much positives. in b4 merge into big and dandy

 

[Dextro 2C]

Despite the extremely weird effects salvia has on your body, it is a very interesting drug, and actually one of my favorites. I haven't learned much from it, other than it does with you what it pleases, but it's fun/scary in it's own way. I've always experienced weird cartoon-like realities that fascinate me like crazy. When im there, im totally immersed in the new world, with a sense of wonder, but it all ends to quickly. Maybe that's a good thing?

 

[StillSearching]

I after being sober for 3 years from all but the occasional drink decided to try Salvia for the first time two nights ago. I bought some 20x made a great water bong and took a huge hit. Why the f@#$ would anyone like that shit? It felt like someone had me in a choke hold trying to make me black out. The only reason i did not flip out is because i was able to keep staring at a clock for the first two minutes and had read that that was the peak. I did not hallucinate so to speak but got extreme tunnel vision. Every thing inside the tunnel was normal but every thing around the tunnel appeared to be made up of a small slice of my peripheral vision that was rapidly rippling around the edges of the tunnel. i think the shit just shocks your brain and makes it want to shut down as a result. I was able to speak clearly through the whole experience and other than one hand doing the puppet in the air thing i was able to function normally as well. Ok so after about three minutes i got the urge to do the dishes so I ran down stairs and did them. While doing dishes I started to get some cool effects. Changes in light and feelings of elation. These were quickly followed by feelings of self hate and self doubt. Kinda like a bad acid trip leaves you with.
I liked the after effects more than the actual experience. For several hours after that things still looked kinda trippy like I was gonna trip at some point but it never kicked in.
Heres the funny part! I have a bag of the leaf and the tin of 20 x so I latter decide to try the quid method. I liked it better. Taste like shit but feels better to me creeps up on you and makes you feel happy. however it plateaued quickly so I decided to smoke some more. I took about 5 more bong hits but not one of them got me even close to the first hit. Is that normal?
So even though I think I dont like the experience I will probably be finishing off the rest of the stuff this weekend just to see if i can see anything while on it!
I want the visions! Wheres the visions???

 

[NineStorms]

Um, not everything is about seeing crazy shit. Salvia's really crazy anyway, but it's most interesting from an experiential or speculative standpoint. Nothing else out there produces the effects salvia does, and it affects a unique receptor for psychedelics. No, salvia isn't enjoyable, but it is very interesting.

If you have to have "fun" on it, smoke up on some weed first, then try it. It's a different experience, for me at least. But whatever. If you want visions, stick to acid or mushrooms.

 

[burn out]

i agree it isn't enjoyable but it is very interesting. i smoked it about 7 or 8 times and always had very unpleasant experiences but the one time i truly broke through, i will never forget. and i do think i learned things from it. it's not psychoanalytical stuff though. my analytical mind does not work on salvia at all. i won't ever do it again though, it's unpleasant and terrifying.

 

[Bardeaux]

I've communicated with the Goddess

You've seen the goddess too?! I wonder how common that is

For me, salvia wasnt exactly pleasant. What it did was give me the fastest rollercoaster ride of my life. Fun in a scary, happy when its over kind of way.

 

[solistus]

I've never had much luck with salvia. I've tried it at least a dozen times. I broke through briefly on my first attempt, and watched the room around me piece itself back together from simply geometric shapes. Once, while on acid, smoking salvia seemed to enhance and change the visual aspect of my trip for a while. Other than that, I usually just get very bizarre body sensations and confusion. Once, I thought there were other entities in the room that I was communicating with; unlike LSD or mushrooms, however, where I would have been awestruck by such an experience, it felt like delerium; I didn't think there was anything odd about my communicating with these unknown entities until the sensation had passed, and I couldn't really remember anything meaningful from the experience. I had no visual distortions at all during this 'trip.'

A college friend of mine would consistently experience other realities and fairly complex visions when using salvia. One time, I remember him standing up and speaking to an imagined entity in front of him. After about a minute, he became aware of us in the room, and told us little nonsensical sentence fragments to remember as 'messages' from whatever entity he was speaking to. I smoked some of the same material shortly after he came down and didn't break through.

All in all, I consider salvia to be little more than an oddity. It can certainly be intense and seem profound at the time, but I have yet to meet anyone personally who actually learned anything concrete from a salvia trip, whereas I know numerous people who have come to important personal realisations or decided to change their lives for the better after an experience with the traditional serotonergic psychedelics. Salvia's existence is fascinating, in that it has no activity at the receptor sites associated with other psychedelics, but the experience itself seems more bewildering than instructive, and more apt to confuse you thoroughly than to impart any profound insights.

 

[IAmJacksUserName]

I think I'm one of the few people for who has benefited from salvia. At the time I had tried salvia, it was a very confusing time in my life. Throughout that time, I had this calloused mentality and a nihilist view on life that gave me this constant hollowness. But salvia managed to turn some of that around; after the initial effects wore off, life started seeming less bleak, and I felt a sort of spiritual glow that I had felt when I was much younger. Simply put, salvia put my spiritual well being back on track.

 

[Changed]

You've seen the goddess too?! I wonder how common that is

I think it is pretty common, which is really weird. It isn't like I read about Her before smoking Salvia either... I smoked it, saw/communicated with Her, then went online and was shocked to see that a lot of other people had had the same experience!

 

[Survived Abortion]

Salvia is fantastic. I love her! People dislike her because they are terrified of her, and because a journey with her is nothing like any type of normal 'euphoria' the humans relate to.
Really, I think most people are so negative about Salvia because they just can't integrate the experience, and were too involved in themselves beforehand; you have to have a very keen interest in other states of thinking scientifically and spiritually.
Salvia has shown me things nothing else could ever show me. And every time I take a journey back into her realm, I can navigate the 'salvia space' with far less confusion and more real-time memory recall.

There is definitely much to be learned... Salvia is not just a head-fuck wotnot. Really, anyone with that opinion is far more suited to hedonistic psychedelics, and fancy colours and patterns. That is not what Salvia is about, very much in the same way as Ketamine.

Much could be said about the unique natures of both Salvia and Ketamine, and how in tandem with each other's imparted insight they expand the frontiers of your consciousness far beyond anything experienced and inspired by users of just simply shrooms and mescaline. (Indeed all of these psychedelic ally's are important, but people mistake the tryps and phens for superiority simply because they provide a familiar mood lift.)

I definitely get a fantastically unique lift in mood after a Salvia experience.
Lots of love to lady Salvia

 

[ninjadanslarbretabar]

In my experience salvia has no such connection.

Though DMT is more likely to impact our lives in beneficial ways, in some transcendent way I think salvia is superior. It’s superior in that, at least at this point in time and human experience, it isn’t just expanding our individual consciousness’, it is forming substantially unique experiences that have NEVER been lived through in the entire known course of human consciousness. It is expanding the objective consciousness. Yes the Mazatecs used it for quite a while, but they used 1X. Powerful extracts are a relatively novel product producing novel experiences. The probability that you are living something never before experienced, something genuinely unique to not just your life but to the universal phenomenal realm of experience qua experience, during a salvia trip--particularly if you’re combining it with some of the newer synthetic psychedelics--is higher than during any other event in life that I can imagine. The explorer’s obligation to use and know salvia is set foremost by this transcendent ideal.

great post
that made me think on how salvia does not have a language of its own yet
even tho we can call it a psychedelic its something else*
humanity has used lots of psychedelic and its being influential in the cultural language we, our identity, is made of
from being prehistoric men eating mushroom, to soma, to some psychedelic rock, we have built a language associated with that reality, so when you took a psychedelic the effects you are exposed to can be translated into something more recognizable and meaningful
i think that salvia may feel empty due to the fact we havent built a living language around (and maybe inside) it

*"It acts as a kappa opioid receptor agonist and is the first known compound acting on this receptor that is not an alkaloid."

 

[psood0nym]

Salvia and the Conveyor Belt thread link

The Salvia and the conveyor belt thread looks to be dead now. At nearly 100 posts, including the spawning of its own associated and later merged thread--"Salvia and the conveyor belt explained"--it's probably too large to merge with this thread. But at the same time it covers a lot more conceptual ground than the typical frayed-off salvia thread, so I thought I'd give a link to it here for posterity's sake.

The thread covers themes that seem to show up across users' trips more than would be expected, with a particular emphasis on visions of objects that embody cyclical or repetitive motions (conveyor belts, ferris wheels, printing presses etc.) Different interpretations of why this might happen are discussed. Other topics later in the thread include salvia's evocation of childhood memories and the ability of the salvia user to successfully navigate their environment despite not being aware of where they are.