The Wizard said:
Mr. Xorkoth, when you occasionally stop Piracetam, how many days do you stop for? And days after stopping do you still notice the benefits of Piracetam? Were there side effects you experienced that were the reason you stopped? Hydergine is effective if only used once a week? I thought some nootropics need to be used for each day for days, weeks before one gets the full benefits? Hydergine is so powerful that it works quickly and one can still feel the benefits even if they aren’t using it daily? What dosage of Hydergine would you recommend and take it once or twice a day? I wonder if Hydergine would absorb better sublingually or rectally than orally. Hydergine compliments Piracetam’s effects a lot I hear. Is this true? Will I automatically have a high tolerance for Hydergine since I use Ergolines like L and HBW a lot?
I find that the benefits of piracetam fade after a day or two, leading me to believe it fades from the system quickly. I don't ever feel that I NEED to take a break from it like I do with hydergine, but I just like to from time to time. I notice it more then when I start again. Also it's worth noting that I feel like the benefits of nootropics never fully leave me, as if my brain has been tuned semi-permanmently. A lot of this could be subjective however.
As for hydergine, I used it daily to great effect for a long time as I mentioned. I would recommend using it daily, maybe breaking for weekends, at first. If you start to notice it losing effectiveness, then take a break. Hydergine more than anything else seems to be sort of permanent to me after a while, which is why I only use it rarely. But I doubt that would be your reaction at first. I like hydergine a lot. I felt that when I started it it helped me mood tremendously. It started working pretty fast (some the first day), and it peaked in effectiveness around 2 weeks in perhaps. This is my memory from a few years back however.
Xorkoth, I highly recommend you try some Japanese Sweet Flag 5X extract if you like healthy, productive, somewhat euphoric plant stimulants. Sadly, almost no one online is aware of the potential of this stuff and it’s one of the cleanest, mellowest stimulants I’ve used in years and it only costs $10 for an ounce. 3-5 grams gives me a really pleasant alert yet relaxing effect with a subtle empathogen (think a low dose of mellow MDMA) quality when I’m around people. Although this stuff is subtle on its own it becomes much more euphoric and noticeable when I combine it with HBW or other psychedelics like DXM. The combo of Sweet Flag 5X plus HBW was reminiscent of a mild candyflip (MDMA plus LSD).
Interesting. I have some dried calamus root which I dislike. But I may have to locate and try the extract next time I make an ethnobotanical order.
I also think you should give Rhodiola a try. It’s cheap and has a pretty potent stimulant/relaxant/antidepressant effect (boosts dopamine and serotonin as I recall) and is great for the immune system. Supposedly, KGB agents used to use it as a pick me up (LOL what a silly internet rumor). As I recall, 100 g of Rhodiola costed me $15. And I get nice effects from taking 1-2 grams a day. Rhodiola might also boost opioids since it has some sort of effect on opioid receptors, as I seem to recall reading. Thai Kratom is also a very nice pick me up.
Rhodiola I actually have used. In fvact I had some this morning. I do enjoy it but it seems pretty subtle to me. It definitely is calming and balancing but I've never had it hit me to the point where I couldn't rationalize it away as placebo. I haven't tried it for boosting opiates.
And kratom, yes, I definitely know the goodness of kratom. It's been my main drug vice over the past 4 years. I love it more than any real opiate... it's just fantastic to me. And this is why I have to stay away from it. Unfortunately.
How do the effects of Centrophenoxine differ from DMAE and how is it superior? Is it the same as DMAE in terms of it isn’t effective to use daily or at high doses? And can it be gotten for dirt cheap like DMAE can? I already use choline sources like DMAE or Lecithin along with my Piracetam. Why is it advantageous to use a choline drug with Piracetam? I hear it cures Piracetam headaches but does it also increase the smart drug effect of Piracetam. Xorkoth, what do you think of Lecithin granules? I sometimes use high lose Lecithin for relaxation and according to the DXM Zine high dose Lecithin (over 5 grams) can get one into a nice, meditative state where it’s easier to achieve CEVs and OBEs during meditations. I will say that high dose Lecithin does work REALLY well with DXM to make the trip clearer mentally and increase the CEV/OBE sensation.
It's kind of hard to say how it differs from DMAE subjectively, since it is subjective. Basically it is more systainable. DMAE starts to feel detrimental after a little while whereas centro does not. Plus it works better, more strongly. Mainly it's good for combining with piracetam, as it brings out the best in both. The combination is great for increasing motivation and creativity and the feeling of inspiration in your day-to-day life. Lecithin does something similar but is not absorbed too well, plus centro has additional benefits over lecithi as a choline increaser. Unfortunately centrophenoxine is not as cheap as DMAE, actually it's quite a bit more. The dose is low though so if you find a bulk source it's still quite affordable. I got 50 grams for like $20-$30 I think, and it's lasting me a hell of a long time.
Xorkoth, you’re getting me more and more interested in trying Phenibut, man… Is it true that it’s GHB-esque? I used to love low doses of Xyrem (pharmaceutical GHB). Is Phenibut similar at all in effect to Neurontin? Because I looove Neurontin as a downer/antidepressant. A friend of mine recently turned me off to Phenibut when he warned how addictive he finds it and how bad the withdrawals were for him. He felt very disconnected from reality and was having severe anxiety for days. I assume the euphoria of Phenibut must come at a price so I wouldn’t want to risk using it daily.
Yeah, phenibut can be addictive. I don't find that it has withdrawals, but there is rebound anxiety due to the fact that you've been hiding from your anxiety for days on end. I actually sometimes tend to go on spurts of weeks to months using it most days, often not on the weekends, but sometimes 7 days a week. I have never felt a true withdrawal but it's true that you miss the comfort of phenibut when you stop. I have never had Neurontin but the descriptions of it make them sound quite similar. I do find phenibut similar to GHB, but much subtler. It's a similar feeling though.
I always love how enthusiastic you are about smart drugs/supplements/plants, Xorkoth. It's refreshing to see such enthusiasm. You're very clear and to the point in your descriptions of these various drugs. Obviously, you've years of experience.
Thanks, and I also appreciate your enthusiasm for ethnobotanicals and all of your informative posts in the LSA-related threads. It's nice to see someone else forumlating massive posts nearly every time.
It must be all the nootropics. I just can't stop myself from letting loose an onslaught of verbage whenever I start typing!
