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The Big & Dandy N,N-DMT Extraction Thread - Elves are watching

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"Can crystals made by freeze processes be touched by fingers without dissolving? or should I use a knife blade for transport and measurements? I might freeze evap what are peoples opinions and yield losses/purity gains etc."

Freeze precipitate, then filter, then scrape with whatever kitchen utensil (I like a long steel spoon) works best for your setup. Good luck!

there is really no reason to be touching it with your fingers. Maybe when its the final product, but i still use a utensil instead.
 
2 questions, if i were to post some photos of grass growing by my pond that i believe is canary reed grass could someone help me identify it, and would an acid-base extraction be feasible with vinegar and ammonia? Also, i know the alkaloid content of CRG is pretty low, so what are some other plant species that contain significant alkaloid content?
 
2 questions, if i were to post some photos of grass growing by my pond that i believe is canary reed grass could someone help me identify it, and would an acid-base extraction be feasible with vinegar and ammonia? Also, i know the alkaloid content of CRG is pretty low, so what are some other plant species that contain significant alkaloid content?

Mimosa hostilis root-bark, whole. No need to defat, you can go straight to base.
 
I don't think ammonia is a strong enough base to do a successful extraction with (same for vinegar, but if you're using mimosa you omit that step) but I don't know enough chemistry to talk about this with any kind of authority.
 
I think vinegar is likely too weak to defat with (which would be entirely necessary with canary grass). I haven't worked with ammonia to extract dmt, so idk about that. I expect multiple freeze and thaws would be necessary with canary grass to break down the cellular structure.
 
Yes, but tbh I think that just coughing up for mimosa hostilis saves you enough time and money compared to using phalaris that it's clearly the best option.
 
Acid base extraction issues

I am using standard Acid base extraction procedures, I have done this a few times with tea and coffee to get whitish yellow needle-like crystals. I am doing this on ground mimosa rootbark.

let powder sit in a cool 500 ethanol/methanol slurry for 3 days with a bit of dilute HCL to make any remaining freebase a salt

Filtered 450 ml obtained of a milky yellow fluid

I then added 75 ml toluene to the mix, and let it sit on a stirring plate for 30 minutes

I was going to add the NaOH to basify it but it appeared that the two fluids were completely miscible creating a homogeneous, clear, yellow fluid upon the addition of the NaOH ethanol mixture, maybe 1 gram in 15 ml, the fluid became instantly milky and cloudy like the first solution but lighter.

I was worried at this point because that is not what nonpolar solvents are supposed to do, but i let it sit and I saw 2 layers form after 2 hours, one clear very faint yellow one, and a milky white one

The next morning I siphoned off the bottom aqueous layer and added the (hopefully) nonpolar layer. I let it sit for 3 hours and noticed a few mm thick intensely yellow layer of clear fluid develop above the milky one.

My theory is that for some crazy reason the methanol/ethanol solvated the tolouene and when a base was added it fell out of solution in very small micro-particals, which then combined at the very top and were lighter than the toluene bubles inside of ethanol so the pure toluene floated up.

I stirred it gently with a stirring rod which seemed to increase the amount in the solid tolouene layer and decrease the amount in the white milky layer, while adding a very small layer of ethanol at the very bottom.

It has been 2 days and I am about 1/2 through the milky layer

Has anyone has experience with this or tolouene based extractions, How could I clear up this problem faster? I want to get some tetrachloromethane, or even better pentane(nonpolar, mostly nontoxic, boiling point is around 93 F), I would kill for some.
 
I wish i knew more about these complicated A/B extractions. Im going to merge this with the extraction thread hopefully someone will be able to help you out.

otherwise try the dmtnexus. there are some pretty smart folks on there.
 
I understand that the volume of mimosa hostilis varies based on how finely one's bark is ground, but can anyone tell me approximately how many cups 125g bark equates to? My estimation has been ~1/2 cup root bark, but the naptha I have been pulling has been diluted with residual particles, so I am curious if this is too much.
 
How much water is it in?

I've never ever had particles of bark in my naphtha no matter how thick my aqueous layer was.
 
I have been using 15ml water per gram of bark, so approximately a half gallon of water. These particles appear after I have shaken the jar for 10+ minutes--perhaps that is too much shaking?
 
Well the aqueous layer and the nonpolar layer should separate, idk I've never had a problem with having anything solid staying in the top layer. You should not be Shaking the container really either, more of a roll works better...
 
I am using standard Acid base extraction procedures, I have done this a few times with tea and coffee to get whitish yellow needle-like crystals. I am doing this on ground mimosa rootbark.

let powder sit in a cool 500 ethanol/methanol slurry for 3 days with a bit of dilute HCL to make any remaining freebase a salt

Filtered 450 ml obtained of a milky yellow fluid

I then added 75 ml toluene to the mix, and let it sit on a stirring plate for 30 minutes

I was going to add the NaOH to basify it but it appeared that the two fluids were completely miscible creating a homogeneous, clear, yellow fluid upon the addition of the NaOH ethanol mixture, maybe 1 gram in 15 ml, the fluid became instantly milky and cloudy like the first solution but lighter.

I was worried at this point because that is not what nonpolar solvents are supposed to do, but i let it sit and I saw 2 layers form after 2 hours, one clear very faint yellow one, and a milky white one

The next morning I siphoned off the bottom aqueous layer and added the (hopefully) nonpolar layer. I let it sit for 3 hours and noticed a few mm thick intensely yellow layer of clear fluid develop above the milky one.

My theory is that for some crazy reason the methanol/ethanol solvated the tolouene and when a base was added it fell out of solution in very small micro-particals, which then combined at the very top and were lighter than the toluene bubles inside of ethanol so the pure toluene floated up.

I stirred it gently with a stirring rod which seemed to increase the amount in the solid tolouene layer and decrease the amount in the white milky layer, while adding a very small layer of ethanol at the very bottom.

It has been 2 days and I am about 1/2 through the milky layer

Has anyone has experience with this or tolouene based extractions, How could I clear up this problem faster? I want to get some tetrachloromethane, or even better pentane(nonpolar, mostly nontoxic, boiling point is around 93 F), I would kill for some.
 
I've never done (or heard of anyone for that matter) a DMT extraction using that kinda mix for the polar layer before so I dunno what the problem might be..Though I dunno why there would be Solid toluene seeing as its melting point is -93oC...or why it would be very at all soluble in methanol/ethanol for that matter.
 
Sounds pretty optimistic with 1% yield. 0,5% sounds more fair to me. Or maybe my friends an I always get lousy bark hehe
 
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