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The Big & Dandy Methoxetamine Thread-11th Dose-50 grams and a kidney later..

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crazycatman the way it worked for me was having too much time on my hands (boredom) and like Transform said I didn't really see a reason NOT to use it, I loved every single experience and it was different every time. Using daily for 2-3 weeks was the closest I got to addiction I think. I have called it quits now and I haven't done it for 3 days... I don't notice any withdrawal or craving but I'm sure I'll try to talk myself into taking another bump when boredom kicks in (it does that in a very subtle sneaky way, making you think about it until you just give in and take it)

Thanks for the answer mate, it does explain some things.

Also, sorry to repeat myself but - has anyone noticed it is also quite a nice pain killer? Even with doses low enough not to cause much mental effects.
 
How does addiction to this start anyway? You just start taking it every day or something like that?

Because while I like it's effects I as of now have no draw to take it even nearly every day.
I'd say the most likely way to get yourself addicted is to take very small doses before work or school.. when taken in threshold doses (5-20mg) MXE isn't psychedelic yet and removes anxiety like nothing else and makes everything much more interesting, fascinating maybe even. It produces no side effects at all in these doses so users simply have no reason to take a pause. Then one day when you come from work/school in the evening you'll think "I could take bigger dose now and have some real fun, done all my obligations for today so why not". Then you continously increase the morning dose as well as the evening dose because tolerance develops.

That ddiction can be very easily avoided if one treats it similar way most people treat LSD, that means taking it no more than once per 2 weeks, ideally less, then you can even take a large amount during that day, what matters is the time between days you take it. Most other psychs/dissociatives can't be taken this way because you either feel nothing or you are in such different reality most people don't even think about using something like LSD before work in microdoses. MXE works great this way so people easily end up using it 24/7 in a very similar way to amphetamines for improving mood and productivity, but while all stims have more apparent side effects like trouble sleeping at night, sweating, cold hands etc., MXE feels like there isn't single bad thing about it, that's why all the naive "God's gift" posts. But eventually you will run into problems with daily using of course.
 
Thank good for that, my job requires my brain to work as well as possible and with MXE in the mix (even low doses) I'm just not that sharp (something I observed by myself).
Funny thing is stimulants (well no shock there) and benzos (kinda of a surprise I'd say, but I am obviously talking low doses, not eating an entire box and chasing it with a few beers) don't really make me dumber in the short term (like taking some before work). And yes, I'm sure that if I took enough benzos for long enough my brain wouldn't work that well any more.
 
I was going through some old notes and saw this. I think it's a good capture of the long term risks of MXE
Transcendence said:
You'll probably be okay using it once a week. However, MXE is one of the most subtly and persuasively seducing drugs I've used. It's so hard not to ramp up use, because it really seems like it's perfect for every situation. You start to convince yourself that MXE will balance out whatever ails you on any particular day. You become very good at rationalizing its use.

After using MXE often, I started noticing that my thoughts and words were become more aggressive, more overly confident. It's really hard to describe how it changes your thought process, but you begin to see loops and interpret reality to confirm all of your thoughts and actions, both past and present. The confidence is empowering and nice in a way, but it goes overboard.

At the end of the month I began to get really paranoid and delusional about my health, something that is very uncharacteristic of me. Looking back on it now it seems absurd, but it was very real at the time. I was convinced that my apartment was growing toxic mold everywhere and it was the root of all my health problems. I thought I was developing bladder damage and even brain tumors. I was just way off balance.

The thing is, the changes in your personality are gradual but you don't notice them until you're way off kilter. Having a friend keep you in check might help, but you can't rely on it because they can't see inside your head, and by the time they report something is off you'll probably be deep inside the hole.

MXE was my favorite drug in the world at first, but it turned sinister toward the end. I started feeling really bad about myself, even though I would have thought that impossible when I first started using it.
 
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I'd say the most likely way to get yourself addicted is to take very small doses before work or school.. when taken in threshold doses (5-20mg) MXE isn't psychedelic yet and removes anxiety like nothing else and makes everything much more interesting, fascinating maybe even. It produces no side effects at all in these doses so users simply have no reason to take a pause. Then one day when you come from work/school in the evening you'll think "I could take bigger dose now and have some real fun, done all my obligations for today so why not". Then you continously increase the morning dose as well as the evening dose because tolerance develops.

That ddiction can be very easily avoided if one treats it similar way most people treat LSD, that means taking it no more than once per 2 weeks, ideally less, then you can even take a large amount during that day, what matters is the time between days you take it. Most other psychs/dissociatives can't be taken this way because you either feel nothing or you are in such different reality most people don't even think about using something like LSD before work in microdoses. MXE works great this way so people easily end up using it 24/7 in a very similar way to amphetamines for improving mood and productivity, but while all stims have more apparent side effects like trouble sleeping at night, sweating, cold hands etc., MXE feels like there isn't single bad thing about it, that's why all the naive "God's gift" posts. But eventually you will run into problems with daily using of course.

very true
 
Agreed about the painkiller bit. My girlfriend has used it on a couple of occasions for headaches to good effect. In low doses of course.

And maybe I'm in the minority, but I find it really easy to sleep on MxE. I do use it very sparingly, so this my have some effect on the stimulation. I'll use dissociatives once or twice a month generally, and in fairy low doses.

I really like mxe: n low repeated doses, like 2-8mg every 30-45min until I catch a moderate buzz. I set up a nasal mister & that was a great roa, but sometimes in the interest of expediency I'll just set out 3-5 5mg bumps & listen to some tunes or watcha movie (mxe+sci-fi =win).

I've never really hit an "m-hole" that I was able to remember anyway. Would like to sometime, but usually if I push the dose much above 45mg I just pass out on the couch & wake up a few hrs later still kinda spun. I have had a couple of very strange experiences quite reminiscent of serotonergic psychedelics when combining just the right dose with just the right timing smoking a bowl. Me and a friend call it the cosmic yo yo b/c it's kinda like tripping face for about 80-90min. Haven't figured out the exact combination & timing yet though.
 
^Of course, MXE is VERY effective painkiller, but this can lead to similar excuses for using opiates when suffering only minor pain.. "Slightly aching tooth? Better take some MXE, the high will be just bonus, I just want to get rid of pain"

As for stimulating/calming effects, this seems one of the biggest mysteries of MXE to me, as it differs GREATLY bach to batch, something to do with different isomers or whatever, I know nothing about chemistry in general, thats what I heard) . Once I had a batch that made me awake as much as meth from just 40mg, while having all the other typical effects of MXE, couldn't sleep for 12 hours after returning to baseline (took it before midnight and managed to sleep at 11-12am next day). While the same dose of different batch made me want to lay in bed, which I did, enjoyed some decent CEVs and fell asleep 2 hours after taking. It's just unpredictable with so many batches from dozens of various vendors.
 
I've tried a handful of different batches, only from a few vendors though, and the sleepiness effect has been quite consistent though. I doubt it would be due to differences in isomeric composition though, as synthesis should yield the racemate unless you go way out of your way.
 
Just thought I'd share a thread I started about a week ago when I stopped using MXE daily (roughly 120mg a day in small doses spaced throughout the day) for a week - total of 1g - and the problems it caused for me upon discontinuation, particularly with my cognition.
People may find it of interest, or maybe not.

Anyway:

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/660482-MXE-(physical)-Withdrawal-Surely-Not

Hey man I read through your thread. I'm glad your being more realistic about how dangerous methoxetamine truly is now..

Can you see things from my point of view a bit more now? After experiencing these bad side effects, do you not worry for everyone you see constantly posting in this thread?

Anyway, I do hope you make a full recovery. I've been off everything except cannabis for over 2 months and I'm actually starting to enjoy life again. Random bits of happiness throughout the day and all. I would recommend a nootropic if you would like some assistance in recovering your mental fortitude; namely noopept & the racetams.
 
>Agreed about the painkiller bit. My girlfriend has used it on a couple of occasions for headaches to good effect. In low doses of course.

>^Of course, MXE is VERY effective painkiller, but this can lead to similar excuses for using opiates when suffering only minor pain.. "Slightly aching tooth? Better take some MXE, the high will be just bonus, I just want to get rid of pain"

Ah so I'm not the only one who noticed. But it wasn't meant as an excuse to use it. Just curiosity really.
 
Very odd situation I'm in. I can't figure it out. I have been using mxe quite regularly over the past year. 35mg doses were enough to get me in the spot I wanted. I dosed about once a week for half a year and kept my tolerance in place. However, the last six months I would be dosing a few times a week. Tolerance rose and fell as one would expect with weekly use and a few intermittent breaks. Recently I decided to take a three week break from the stuff. Before my break my tolerance was up only slightly from a no tolerance dose. Here I am after the three week break and I felt nothing from 44mg. I tested again at 50mg. Nothing. Then 66mg. Then 74. Then 85. I don't even recognize threshold effects with any of these doses.

I was thinking after the longest break I've taken in a year my reactions would be strong at low doses. It is a new batch that I haven't had tried before, but I have read many reports about it saying it is at least of decent quality for what is on the market now. I can't figure out if my body is having some kind of shielding effect after getting it all out of my body or what. It doesn't make sense. I was glad to be able to reset my tolerance but that obviously isn't the case. I don't plan on trying any higher doses and will wait a while to see if a new batch will change anything. Any thoughts?
 
My money's on it being a weaker batch than what you're previously used to. Delayed tolerance after a long break makes absolutely no sense. Absolutely none.

The no sense part makes me think it was divine intervention or something to get me out of this nasty habit lol.
I mean not even threshold effects at 85mg? The batch I had before the break was nothing special.
 
what are your thoughts about doing mxe a day after rolling to ease the down feelings? good idea?
 
I tried a lot of different drugs (opiates, psychedelics, stimulants), but MXE is my favorite.
It's strange, but none of my friends did not like MXE.
Someone could strictly control the use of? I usually order a gram and use it until the end.
This time, I want to limit the use of once a week.
 
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I know y'all have probably heard this before but MXE has been a "wonder drug" for me. I'm not going to pretend that there are no down sides...but it has helped me greatly this last week. I've managed to avoid withdrawals from opiates with it, had enjoyable trips on it, and even combined it with my DOCs to great effect. I really hope this one doesn't get banned in the states.

I plan on ordering more of it at some point. Finishing off the last of my stash tonight and won't be ordering anymore for awhile though. Thanks to all that contributed to this and the other megathreads, all the advice was very helpful. :)

BTW I agree that this could become _very_ addictive for certain people. My friend whom tested it with me got a bit like that, not wanting to come down. I eventually had to cut him off at the 12 hour mark, but once down he had no desire to re-dose and thanked me for cutting him off.
 
Honestly, for a lot of people mxe is a good idea for too many different situations, but yes, doing it the day after rolling sounds like a splendid way to spend the day- if you are sore from dancing all night as you rolled your nuts off, it has good pain relief properties, and if you feel a little flat from the serotonin dump, the mxe's antidepressant effects should perk you right up.

Horrible harm reduction advice. Get some sleep. Wake up and get some fucking waffles.
 
Why would it worsen it? It's not contributing to the tryptophan hydroxylase inhibition which is a significant cause of the tuesday blues, and any downregulation is likely to be incredibly mild. If anything, the SERT inhibition would act as a mild taper, and the NMDA antagonism would assist with 5HT upregulation.

I completely agree with your advice about comedowns though pontifex - in my experience they are highly avoidable if you use MDMA sensibly. I do not believe it was designed for all-night stimulated gurning sessions, but rather gentle dis-inhibition and bonding experiences as facilitated by doses around 130mg. If one wants to get "fucked up" then perhaps they would be better adding in dissociatives as this is certainly healthier. If it's just the euphoria one seeks then there are better drugs for this too. GHB and powerful opiates spring to mind.
 
A week, potentially two, of emotional instability for the sake of four hours of pure bliss ain't worth it for me. And doing one drug to relieve the psychological strain of another one is just stupid.

Yup, I'd agree with you here. For those that suffer badly I do not think MDMA is worthwhile.
 
Are you saying that if MXE occupies SERT and inhibits SE reuptake, synaptic serotonin is not more prone to MAO oxidation than if it were transported? , Transform?

In any case taking MXE during the MDMA blues might certainly feel less raw but I have no faith in that being healthy on a longer term and I don't really need direct pharmacological contraindication for that. That may just be my personal distrust of the psychological effects that would only complicate a natural restoration process. Although I may be biased because I never felt like there were any downsides to relieving it with GHB as long as one doesn't binge for weeks.
 
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